Buy or Sell. Kris Dunn would have "disrupted" the Celtics

[BitterJim]

I'd have to sell on this.  Smart's not a PG, and Rozier is not the same caliber prospect as Dunn, so I don't think there'd be much of an issue (or, at least, not more of an issue than Rondo or IT or Smart posed

I thought we were done with Dunn till actual games start being played.

Even when actual games start, Dunn will get more playing time because he is on a young team. it will take a while for brown to get significant minutes.

we might have to wait a while to compare the two.   

He'll have to fight a bit for time with Rubio and Lavine over him (especially considering that Thibs will run Rubio, and all the other starters into the ground), but Dunn should get 10-15mpg out of the gate and more if he plays well, while Brown will struggle to take minutes from Crowder, and will get less time than Dunn to start the year

[Eja117]

Let's see how much he disrupts the T Wolves.

Besides. Sometimes disrupters are a good thing. Tom Brady was a disrupter. Doug Flutie. Aaron Rodgers.

[Smitty77]

I thought we were done with Dunn till actual games start being played.

 No way, nearly a month until preseason. If there was a consensus third best player in the draft it was Dunn. He may even have a better future than Ingram

I call BS!!!  Dunn is ONE more should injury away from not even being able to play in YMCA pick up games.  There is a REASON why his people would NOT release his medical reports!!!!

Smitty77

[Smitty77]

Buy, Smart might not be the player Dunn is but he's close enough that the value of taking the less skilled but also less redundant Brown puts it over the top. Dunn is too similar to every other guard in the rotation and we would still have nothing developing behind Crowder.

Then there were the early reports that Dunn's camp didn't want him to be drafted by Boston. They later put out a statement claiming that those reports were false but IMO where there was smoke there was fire, doubt he would have had any interest coming to our crowded rotation. Jaylen wants to become a top player and do so spending the foreseeable future with Boston.

Wouldn't be hard to picture a world where Dunn would start demanding 1 of He, Smart, Bradley or Rosier were traded. Our logjam bursts and we have to move one of them for peanuts since every gm we deal with knows we aren't bargaining from a position of strength.

You'd do that for a top young recruit like John Wall when he came out but if Dunn is only a mild upgrade over Smart or Bradley you just burnt off 2 of some of your better assets (traded player and 2016 Brooklyn pick) for only a minor upgrade bordering on lateral.

I agree.  Smart is already a better DEFENDER than Dunn will EVER become!!!!!!!

Smitty77

[Smitty77]

Buy, Smart might not be the player Dunn is but he's close enough that the value of taking the less skilled but also less redundant Brown puts it over the top. Dunn is too similar to every other guard in the rotation and we would still have nothing developing behind Crowder.

Then there were the early reports that Dunn's camp didn't want him to be drafted by Boston. They later put out a statement claiming that those reports were false but IMO where there was smoke there was fire, doubt he would have had any interest coming to our crowded rotation. Jaylen wants to become a top player and do so spending the foreseeable future with Boston.

Wouldn't be hard to picture a world where Dunn would start demanding 1 of He, Smart, Bradley or Rosier were traded. Our logjam bursts and we have to move one of them for peanuts since every gm we deal with knows we aren't bargaining from a position of strength.

You'd do that for a top young recruit like John Wall when he came out but if Dunn is only a mild upgrade over Smart or Bradley you just burnt off 2 of some of your better assets (traded player and 2016 Brooklyn pick) for only a minor upgrade bordering on lateral.

 Yes Smartacus, but what if Dunn is a huge upgrade over Smart offensively which is very likely.

 IMO it's a two man race for rookie of the year. Simmons and Dunn

As I said in another post:  Smart is already a BETTER DEFENDER than Dunn will EVER develop into and that is assuming that he doesn't blow that shoulder out for a freaking THIRD time and have to get a desk job!!!  Smart can literally guard four positions defensively, but Dunn can likely, at this point, only guard two!!

Smitty77

[KG Living Legend]

I would also submit that 2017 plays into this. Admittedly, draft perceptions can change quite a bit in 10 months, but it sure looks like there are two, and possibly three superstar point guards available there that look like they may be far superior to Dunn.

 Tp, TD. That's actually a very fair point. We should have another crack at an awesome PG next year if we don't want to sign Thomas to a massive extension.

[indeedproceed]

Buy.

[CFAN38]

I buy on the idea that a PG log jam would have hurt this team. IT is an allstar, the Cs need Smart to make the leap, and Rozier has earned PT. Adding Dunn to this mix who while a potentiality great player himself isn't a completely well rounded PG seems problematic.

Ultimetly I really like the Brown pick. To have a young player who was so highly ranked as a college recruit and is regarded by 38% of his fellow rookies as the best athlete in the class excites me for the future.

Though they play different positions making this a less then ideal comparison I cant help but see a parallel between the Brown vs Dunn argument and the Okafor vs Howard argument. Years ago the Magic had to pick between the sure thing in Okafor and the young wild card in Howard. In going with the younger more athletic player then ended up with a franchise center rather then a solid starting center. I hope the Cs have the same luck   

[Eja117]

Buy, Smart might not be the player Dunn is but he's close enough that the value of taking the less skilled but also less redundant Brown puts it over the top. Dunn is too similar to every other guard in the rotation and we would still have nothing developing behind Crowder.

Then there were the early reports that Dunn's camp didn't want him to be drafted by Boston. They later put out a statement claiming that those reports were false but IMO where there was smoke there was fire, doubt he would have had any interest coming to our crowded rotation. Jaylen wants to become a top player and do so spending the foreseeable future with Boston.

Wouldn't be hard to picture a world where Dunn would start demanding 1 of He, Smart, Bradley or Rosier were traded. Our logjam bursts and we have to move one of them for peanuts since every gm we deal with knows we aren't bargaining from a position of strength.

You'd do that for a top young recruit like John Wall when he came out but if Dunn is only a mild upgrade over Smart or Bradley you just burnt off 2 of some of your better assets (traded player and 2016 Brooklyn pick) for only a minor upgrade bordering on lateral.

I agree.  Smart is already a better DEFENDER than Dunn will EVER become!!!!!!!

Smitty77

Defense. That's easily the 2nd or third most important aspect of being an NBA basketball player.

[Smitty77]

Buy, Smart might not be the player Dunn is but he's close enough that the value of taking the less skilled but also less redundant Brown puts it over the top. Dunn is too similar to every other guard in the rotation and we would still have nothing developing behind Crowder.

Then there were the early reports that Dunn's camp didn't want him to be drafted by Boston. They later put out a statement claiming that those reports were false but IMO where there was smoke there was fire, doubt he would have had any interest coming to our crowded rotation. Jaylen wants to become a top player and do so spending the foreseeable future with Boston.

Wouldn't be hard to picture a world where Dunn would start demanding 1 of He, Smart, Bradley or Rosier were traded. Our logjam bursts and we have to move one of them for peanuts since every gm we deal with knows we aren't bargaining from a position of strength.

You'd do that for a top young recruit like John Wall when he came out but if Dunn is only a mild upgrade over Smart or Bradley you just burnt off 2 of some of your better assets (traded player and 2016 Brooklyn pick) for only a minor upgrade bordering on lateral.

 Yes Smartacus, but what if Dunn is a huge upgrade over Smart offensively which is very likely.

 IMO it's a two man race for rookie of the year. Simmons and Dunn

I think Dunn being a contender for ROY is contingent on minutes AND Minny FINALLY making the playoffs, which is a REACH!!!

This still does NOT address the FACT that Dunn is one more injury to that should from NEVER playing in the NBA!!!

Smitty77

[Sixth Man]

Not lightyears. About three years and a half.

 Minus 1 TP for not saying buy or sell.

Minus 1 TP for attempting to exert a totalitarian-level of control over this thread.

[BitterJim]

Buy, Smart might not be the player Dunn is but he's close enough that the value of taking the less skilled but also less redundant Brown puts it over the top. Dunn is too similar to every other guard in the rotation and we would still have nothing developing behind Crowder.

Then there were the early reports that Dunn's camp didn't want him to be drafted by Boston. They later put out a statement claiming that those reports were false but IMO where there was smoke there was fire, doubt he would have had any interest coming to our crowded rotation. Jaylen wants to become a top player and do so spending the foreseeable future with Boston.

Wouldn't be hard to picture a world where Dunn would start demanding 1 of He, Smart, Bradley or Rosier were traded. Our logjam bursts and we have to move one of them for peanuts since every gm we deal with knows we aren't bargaining from a position of strength.

You'd do that for a top young recruit like John Wall when he came out but if Dunn is only a mild upgrade over Smart or Bradley you just burnt off 2 of some of your better assets (traded player and 2016 Brooklyn pick) for only a minor upgrade bordering on lateral.

 Yes Smartacus, but what if Dunn is a huge upgrade over Smart offensively which is very likely.

 IMO it's a two man race for rookie of the year. Simmons and Dunn

I think Dunn being a contender for ROY is contingent on minutes AND Minny FINALLY making the playoffs, which is a REACH!!!

This still does NOT address the FACT that Dunn is one more injury to that should from NEVER playing in the NBA!!!

Smitty77

It's definitely contingent on minutes (especially with Thibs, who relies heavily on starters), but not on making the playoffs.  When's the last time a ROY winner's team made the playoffs? Rose in '09?

[Irish Stew]

What a wonderful problem to have: a guy whose talent level calls out for serious playing time. Dunn off the bench could play both for Thomas and with Thomas. Depending upon how they use Green, Brown might be the third option 3 for us, lucky to see 10 mpgs.

[Bobshot]

They have enough guards. If they drafted him, it would have been to trade him. But they preferred to draft Brown to keep--maybe to make up for the loss of Turner at the 3.

They saved quite a bit of money on that exchange, and money is always a factor with GMs.
Sometimes the most important factor.

[loco_91]

PG position is crowded not only on our team, but throughout the league. Hard for a guy like Dunn to stand out--old and didn't dominate college enough