Pathetic SF Draft, but we grabbed the best one.

[KG Living Legend]

 We can sit here and debate who is a true SF, but to my eyes I saw two legitimate prospects at the said position.

 Ben Simmons is a PG/ PF that's probably best suited guarding PF right now.

 Brandon Ingram may be a SF some day but now he would get destroyed by any physical SF's right now.

 The two SF prospects I had my eye on were Jaylen Brown and Taurean Prince. I was very surprised to see Prince get selected #12 Overall, but it speaks to the value of tough, athletic SF's that can guard and switch on the perimeter.

 Keep in mind that Prince Avg 3.7 ppg and 2.2 rpg his freshman year and 6.2 ppg and 2.8 rpg his sophmore year. He Avg 16 ppg and 6 rpg his senior year. Brown avg almost the same numbers his freshman year.

 We drafted by far and away the best two way SF in the draft, I'm really glad we got deeper and Better at the position.

[LarBrd33]

Jaylen can be really good some day.  Right now, he doesn't really have any offensive game.

[KG Living Legend]

Jaylen can be really good some day.  Right now, he doesn't really have any offensive game.

 But you do agree, Best  two way SF prospect in the entire draft, who belonged in the first draft Tier lol.

[bopna]

Jaylen can be really good some day.  Right now, he doesn't really have any offensive game.

this statement is silly, I already feel he has a better offensive game than Jeff Green who drives only to his right...JB has some offensive moves Jeff Green can only dream of, yes he is young and has some issues particularly with his shooting but to say he does not have any offensive game means he does not deserve to be drafted 3rd overall.

[LarBrd33]

Jaylen can be really good some day.  Right now, he doesn't really have any offensive game.

this statement is silly, I already feel he has a better offensive game than Jeff Green who drives only to his right...JB has some offensive moves Jeff Green can only dream of, yes he is young and has some issues particularly with his shooting but to say he does not have any offensive game means he does not deserve to be drafted 3rd overall.

Well just off the limited sample size, he looks like he's capable of getting to the basket, but he's a terrible finisher and an inefficient shooter.  He shot 30% against weak competition in Summer League.  He will not be given a green light if he remains that grossly inefficient.  In the short term, it seems our hope is that he'll be successful in transition.   Long-term he could be great.  But right now he doesn't really seem like he's ready to make offensive contributions on the NBA level.  He looks like he'll need years of development.

[trickybilly]

Jaylen can be really good some day.  Right now, he doesn't really have any offensive game.

[LarBrd33]

Jaylen can be really good some day.  Right now, he doesn't really have any offensive game.

This was what USA Today had to say about the Jaylen Brown pick:  http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/06/2016-nba-draft-worst-picks-jaylen-brown-boston-celtics

Boston needs 3-point shooting in the worst way after finishing last season 28th in the league in 3-point shooting percentage. Nothing has changed after the Celtics wasted the third-overall pick on Jaylen Brown, a terrific athlete with an inconsistent jump shot and weak handles

The Celtics needed a shooter who could play off the ball with Isaiah Thomas or Marcus Smart on the floor. Instead, they took an over-dribbling non-shooter. This pick did not make Boston any better.

Their words, not mine.  Then right on cue, Jaylen chucked his way through 6 summer-league games in which he shot 32% from the field and 22% from three and consistently struggled to finish at the hoop (a flaw frequently pointed out by scouts).  While he showed flashes of raw athleticism and decent shooting form, it doesn't yet look like he's ready to make any contributions on the offensive end.  He was consistently able to bull his way to the basket and get to the line, but bully ball is probably not going to work as well in the real league.  The chasm between Summer League competition and the actual NBA is extraordinary.  If he was that inefficient on that level, it's not a good sign for the hopes of his early production. 

It doesn't matter, though.  Long-term he could grow by leaps and bounds.  Maybe he even makes some dramatic improvements over the Summer.  My expectations of him in Year 1 are basically non-existent though.  I hope he can make some decent defensive contributions and get some fast-break dunks.  Beyond that, I expect nothing of him in year 1.  I think 5 years from now he might be excellent.

[BitterJim]

Jaylen can be really good some day.  Right now, he doesn't really have any offensive game.

This was what USA Today had to say about the Jaylen Brown pick:  http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/06/2016-nba-draft-worst-picks-jaylen-brown-boston-celtics

Boston needs 3-point shooting in the worst way after finishing last season 28th in the league in 3-point shooting percentage. Nothing has changed after the Celtics wasted the third-overall pick on Jaylen Brown, a terrific athlete with an inconsistent jump shot and weak handles

The Celtics needed a shooter who could play off the ball with Isaiah Thomas or Marcus Smart on the floor. Instead, they took an over-dribbling non-shooter. This pick did not make Boston any better.

Their words, not mine.  Then right on cue, Jaylen chucked his way through 6 summer-league games in which he shot 32% from the field and 22% from three and consistently struggled to finish at the hoop (a flaw frequently pointed out by scouts).  While he showed flashes of raw athleticism and decent shooting form, it doesn't yet look like he's ready to make any contributions on the offensive end.  He was consistently able to bull his way to the basket and get to the line, but bully ball is probably not going to work as well in the real league.  The chasm between Summer League competition and the actual NBA is extraordinary.  If he was that inefficient on that level, it's not a good sign for the hopes of his early production. 

It doesn't matter, though.  Long-term he could grow by leaps and bounds.  Maybe he even makes some dramatic improvements over the Summer.  My expectations of him in Year 1 are basically non-existent though.  I hope he can make some decent defensive contributions and get some fast-break dunks.  Beyond that, I expect nothing of him in year 1.  I think 5 years from now he might be excellent.

You don't draft for need, especially not with a pick that high, so I have no idea what USA Today is on about (not that I would consider them a good basketball source anyway).  Drafting for need that high is a recipe for failure (see: Bowie, Sam)

[KG Living Legend]

 I agree that we needed a shooter, but the only prospect that was more talented especially right now was Dunn, and he doesn't shoot it that much better either.

 So for me the pick was either Brown, Bender, or Dunn. I myself wouldn't have drafted Bender. If Dunn is awesome I will start about 20 threads on why Ainge is the worst drafter ever, other than that I like the pick.



 Look at the last draft and the depth of SF's taken.

#5 Mario Hezonja
#8 Stanley Johnson
#10 Winslow
#15 Oubre
#18 Dekker
#21 Justin Anderson
#23 Hollis Jefferson

 You can make the case that both Anderson and Hollis Jefferson are better prospects than Taurean Prince. HJ was my binkie.

[footey]

Jaylen can be really good some day.  Right now, he doesn't really have any offensive game.

This was what USA Today had to say about the Jaylen Brown pick:  http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/06/2016-nba-draft-worst-picks-jaylen-brown-boston-celtics

Boston needs 3-point shooting in the worst way after finishing last season 28th in the league in 3-point shooting percentage. Nothing has changed after the Celtics wasted the third-overall pick on Jaylen Brown, a terrific athlete with an inconsistent jump shot and weak handles

The Celtics needed a shooter who could play off the ball with Isaiah Thomas or Marcus Smart on the floor. Instead, they took an over-dribbling non-shooter. This pick did not make Boston any better.

Their words, not mine.  Then right on cue, Jaylen chucked his way through 6 summer-league games in which he shot 32% from the field and 22% from three and consistently struggled to finish at the hoop (a flaw frequently pointed out by scouts).  While he showed flashes of raw athleticism and decent shooting form, it doesn't yet look like he's ready to make any contributions on the offensive end.  He was consistently able to bull his way to the basket and get to the line, but bully ball is probably not going to work as well in the real league.  The chasm between Summer League competition and the actual NBA is extraordinary.  If he was that inefficient on that level, it's not a good sign for the hopes of his early production. 

It doesn't matter, though.  Long-term he could grow by leaps and bounds.  Maybe he even makes some dramatic improvements over the Summer.  My expectations of him in Year 1 are basically non-existent though.  I hope he can make some decent defensive contributions and get some fast-break dunks.  Beyond that, I expect nothing of him in year 1.  I think 5 years from now he might be excellent.

You keep harping on his "struggle" to finish at the hoop. In doing this you are completely ignoring the fact that he was fouled a high percentage of the time that he went to the hoop, and after a slow start, improved on his free throw shooting.

Your comment is highly misleading, once again.

[LarBrd33]

Jaylen can be really good some day.  Right now, he doesn't really have any offensive game.

This was what USA Today had to say about the Jaylen Brown pick:  http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/06/2016-nba-draft-worst-picks-jaylen-brown-boston-celtics

Boston needs 3-point shooting in the worst way after finishing last season 28th in the league in 3-point shooting percentage. Nothing has changed after the Celtics wasted the third-overall pick on Jaylen Brown, a terrific athlete with an inconsistent jump shot and weak handles

The Celtics needed a shooter who could play off the ball with Isaiah Thomas or Marcus Smart on the floor. Instead, they took an over-dribbling non-shooter. This pick did not make Boston any better.

Their words, not mine.  Then right on cue, Jaylen chucked his way through 6 summer-league games in which he shot 32% from the field and 22% from three and consistently struggled to finish at the hoop (a flaw frequently pointed out by scouts).  While he showed flashes of raw athleticism and decent shooting form, it doesn't yet look like he's ready to make any contributions on the offensive end.  He was consistently able to bull his way to the basket and get to the line, but bully ball is probably not going to work as well in the real league.  The chasm between Summer League competition and the actual NBA is extraordinary.  If he was that inefficient on that level, it's not a good sign for the hopes of his early production. 

It doesn't matter, though.  Long-term he could grow by leaps and bounds.  Maybe he even makes some dramatic improvements over the Summer.  My expectations of him in Year 1 are basically non-existent though.  I hope he can make some decent defensive contributions and get some fast-break dunks.  Beyond that, I expect nothing of him in year 1.  I think 5 years from now he might be excellent.

You keep harping on his "struggle" to finish at the hoop. In doing this you are completely ignoring the fact that he was fouled a high percentage of the time that he went to the hoop, and after a slow start, improved on his free throw shooting.

Your comment is highly misleading, once again.

if you get fouled while taking a shot, it doesn't count as a missed field goal.   If you shoot 30% in a league made up of almost entirely undrafted semi-pros, it's fair to say you struggled offensively.  He rarely finished at the hoop regardless of whether or not he was fouled.  He's a poor shooter and a poor finisher.  These were the labels he had in college and that was what was on display in the summer league.

Join me in my optimism about his future but let's not waste more time disagreeing about his blatantly obvious lack of current skill. 

At the moment, he's not much of a two-way player.  In defense of this thread, there probably wasn't a better SF option available.  Expectations should be low for every player taken outside the top 2.  Aside from Simmons and Ingram, this was pretty consistently called a down draft by the "draftniks".

[indeedproceed]

#21 Justin Anderson

 You can make the case that both Anderson and Hollis Jefferson are better prospects than Taurean Prince. HJ was my binkie.

Justin Anderson would be so good in green. Great motor, athleticism we haven't had in years, very tough, physical, chip on his shoulder kind of kid. I love Rozier too, don't get me wrong. But 'Simba' would've been a great Celtic.

[dannyboy35]

Jaylen can be really good some day.  Right now, he doesn't really have any offensive game.

This was what USA Today had to say about the Jaylen Brown pick:  http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/06/2016-nba-draft-worst-picks-jaylen-brown-boston-celtics

Boston needs 3-point shooting in the worst way after finishing last season 28th in the league in 3-point shooting percentage. Nothing has changed after the Celtics wasted the third-overall pick on Jaylen Brown, a terrific athlete with an inconsistent jump shot and weak handles

The Celtics needed a shooter who could play off the ball with Isaiah Thomas or Marcus Smart on the floor. Instead, they took an over-dribbling non-shooter. This pick did not make Boston any better.

Their words, not mine.  Then right on cue, Jaylen chucked his way through 6 summer-league games in which he shot 32% from the field and 22% from three and consistently struggled to finish at the hoop (a flaw frequently pointed out by scouts).  While he showed flashes of raw athleticism and decent shooting form, it doesn't yet look like he's ready to make any contributions on the offensive end.  He was consistently able to bull his way to the basket and get to the line, but bully ball is probably not going to work as well in the real league.  The chasm between Summer League competition and the actual NBA is extraordinary.  If he was that inefficient on that level, it's not a good sign for the hopes of his early production. 

It doesn't matter, though.  Long-term he could grow by leaps and bounds.  Maybe he even makes some dramatic improvements over the Summer.  My expectations of him in Year 1 are basically non-existent though.  I hope he can make some decent defensive contributions and get some fast-break dunks.  Beyond that, I expect nothing of him in year 1.  I think 5 years from now he might be excellent.

You keep harping on his "struggle" to finish at the hoop. In doing this you are completely ignoring the fact that he was fouled a high percentage of the time that he went to the hoop, and after a slow start, improved on his free throw shooting.

Your comment is highly misleading, once again.

if you get fouled while taking a shot, it doesn't count as a missed field goal.   If you shoot 30% in a league made up of almost entirely undrafted semi-pros, it's fair to say you struggled offensively.  He rarely finished at the hoop regardless of whether or not he was fouled.  He's a poor shooter and a poor finisher.  These were the labels he had in college and that was what was on display in the summer league.

Join me in my optimism about his future but let's not waste more time disagreeing about his blatantly obvious lack of current skill. 

At the moment, he's not much of a two-way player.  In defense of this thread, there probably wasn't a better SF option available.  Expectations should be low for every player taken outside the top 2.  Aside from Simmons and Ingram, this was pretty consistently called a down draft by the "draftniks".

They also said he was just an athlete and not a hoop player and he couldn't dribble. I'd disagree with both of these. The "can't dribble" was baffling to me. He looked completely comfy under pressure.

[dannyboy35]

That being said I would guess Stevens buries him behind green. Too obsessed with regular season wins st the cost of development.

[LarBrd33]

Jaylen can be really good some day.  Right now, he doesn't really have any offensive game.

This was what USA Today had to say about the Jaylen Brown pick:  http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/06/2016-nba-draft-worst-picks-jaylen-brown-boston-celtics

Boston needs 3-point shooting in the worst way after finishing last season 28th in the league in 3-point shooting percentage. Nothing has changed after the Celtics wasted the third-overall pick on Jaylen Brown, a terrific athlete with an inconsistent jump shot and weak handles

The Celtics needed a shooter who could play off the ball with Isaiah Thomas or Marcus Smart on the floor. Instead, they took an over-dribbling non-shooter. This pick did not make Boston any better.

Their words, not mine.  Then right on cue, Jaylen chucked his way through 6 summer-league games in which he shot 32% from the field and 22% from three and consistently struggled to finish at the hoop (a flaw frequently pointed out by scouts).  While he showed flashes of raw athleticism and decent shooting form, it doesn't yet look like he's ready to make any contributions on the offensive end.  He was consistently able to bull his way to the basket and get to the line, but bully ball is probably not going to work as well in the real league.  The chasm between Summer League competition and the actual NBA is extraordinary.  If he was that inefficient on that level, it's not a good sign for the hopes of his early production. 

It doesn't matter, though.  Long-term he could grow by leaps and bounds.  Maybe he even makes some dramatic improvements over the Summer.  My expectations of him in Year 1 are basically non-existent though.  I hope he can make some decent defensive contributions and get some fast-break dunks.  Beyond that, I expect nothing of him in year 1.  I think 5 years from now he might be excellent.

You keep harping on his "struggle" to finish at the hoop. In doing this you are completely ignoring the fact that he was fouled a high percentage of the time that he went to the hoop, and after a slow start, improved on his free throw shooting.

Your comment is highly misleading, once again.

if you get fouled while taking a shot, it doesn't count as a missed field goal.   If you shoot 30% in a league made up of almost entirely undrafted semi-pros, it's fair to say you struggled offensively.  He rarely finished at the hoop regardless of whether or not he was fouled.  He's a poor shooter and a poor finisher.  These were the labels he had in college and that was what was on display in the summer league.

Join me in my optimism about his future but let's not waste more time disagreeing about his blatantly obvious lack of current skill. 

At the moment, he's not much of a two-way player.  In defense of this thread, there probably wasn't a better SF option available.  Expectations should be low for every player taken outside the top 2.  Aside from Simmons and Ingram, this was pretty consistently called a down draft by the "draftniks".

They also said he was just an athlete and not a hoop player and he couldn't dribble. I'd disagree with both of these. The "can't dribble" was baffling to me. He looked completely comfy under pressure.

His dribbling looked fine to me as well, but defenses in the NBA are tougher than Summer League.