yabusele may have been helped by sullinger

[rollie mass]

just spent time reviewing yabulsele tape and articles
inadvertently he may have been helped in his draft position by ainges experience with sully
although sully was so heavy, he was skilled and his lower body power base was elite when it came to rebounding and holding position in paint
although sullinger couldn't jump his reach and bulk stood him well  rebounding
so even though yabusele is undersized, he has bulk,muscle and lower body power base
yabusele also has an elite 7 -1.5 wing span ,can finish either hand and is fluid with nice motor
he also shot 40% from three-
yabusele has about a 27 in vertical and strong physique that can be added to,as he has had NO formal weight training
yabusele played soccer and boxed which shows in his quick feet and aggressive rebounding
it jumped out in my reading ,no formal weight training  because i have a theory a lot of big strong guys at college level skimp on training
-yabusele with right training will add to his vertical and lower body strength maybe even dramaticaly, his lateral speed with drills and ball handling-could yabulsele become a charles barkley type big wide ,long and explosive and the guy already can shoot-

i think ainges first hand experience with sullinger type body and skill may have opened his eyes to the effectiveness of skilled bulk and moved him to pick yabusele at 15 ahead of zizic and others-yabusele is a unique type of athlete in nba and could even be devastating-
only 20 and 280 imagine that in transition bearing down on defender, that is after all one of his strengths

[knuckleballer]

I have also read the scouting reports that said he had little weight training and needed to cut fat and add muscle.  I don't know where that came from, but it is clearly wrong.  No one looks like this without proper weight training.

[rollie mass]

i also read he has 5% body fat -thats good i think--
the articles stated formal-the point being celtic trainers or nba quality will help his lateral and maybe push him in areas he thought were strengths-
-chinese food will never fill this guy
tp for pic

[Smartacus]

Not to mention while I don't think Yabu had quite the ceiling as Sullinger coming into the draft there could be a higher chance that he achieves his fully realized self than Jared did.

Sullinger had two things working against him in this regard, his medical red flags and his (deserved) high opinion of himself. Yabu is not coming into the league with the kind of injury concerns that were always hanging over Sullinger's head at any given moment and because he played on a relatively obscure French Club instead of being the focal point of an AAU powerhouse to a Division 1 College Program, I think Yabusele had a greater chance than Sulley had to build on what he's already done and not try to immediately shoot for becoming a multiple All Star like Sulley did.

You can't blame Sullinger for thinking that he'd be able to translate his game to the NBA after dominating every level he's ever player at but IMO it stopped him from being satisfied with growing into the 1st big off the bench for a contender  position that he's better suited for.

Yabu can still develop into that rare Barkley type but at the very least it's not hard to see him carving out a nice role for himself on this team by focusing on filling in some of the the cracks that the roster could produce instead of trying to force his game into a nearly completed product.

[rollie mass]

you couldn't not feel hustled by sulley the summer of his rehab with lucus  MAN VS FOOD and food won-
i would rather have a guy with a chip on his shoulder than one with sense of entitlement
sully produced to the level he did by using his bulk with his talent but inevitably his injuries will catch up
 the previous poster smartacus gave a really good read  and a TP for that
so on a slow sunday, i had fun going back over our stashed players and came away very impressed both nader and yabusele have elite length  7-1 and 7-1.5 both hit close to 40% from 3 both have versatility then there is zizic 19 and his motor and length and his hitting the boards-
-there is only one player that  i have no respect for his game james young -

[Celtics4ever]

i think ainges first hand experience with sullinger type body and skill may have opened his eyes to the effectiveness of skilled bulk

Yabusele seems to already know taking care of that body is important.   He also does not take ill advised shots early in the shot clock, is mobile and can move way better than Sully.   He may never equal him in rebounding.

I think Ainge saw Draymond Green potential in him more than Sully!

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

I have also read the scouting reports that said he had little weight training and needed to cut fat and add muscle.  I don't know where that came from, but it is clearly wrong.  No one looks like this without proper weight training.

Really? My male family members looked pretty similar to that in their younger years and they never saw the inside of a gym. Their kids will probably look like that as they get older because they are already naturally big/muscular for their ages (early/mid teens). You would be surprised at how younger kids/adults look without training. Americans are fat as heck so that's probably why you haven't seen guys like that. Of course not actually training and eating like pigs only had my family members looking that way into their early 20s, keeping that lifestyle past that has their bodies looking a mess the older they get, they are now fat or have muscular arms and big bellies, haha!

[Surferdad]

I have a hard time believing that anyone who is a boxer never had weight training.

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

I have a hard time believing that anyone who is a boxer never had weight training.

now that, I know nothing about. 

[rollie mass]

the key word was formal --- now its basketball nba style training specifically meant for basketball a full year working out ,focused on making boston roster -he got his taste in summer league

the celts should send him his own personal trainer and workout partner it can't cost that much living in china--run them over in 3 month contracts-just a thought

[tarheelsxxiii]

I have also read the scouting reports that said he had little weight training and needed to cut fat and add muscle.  I don't know where that came from, but it is clearly wrong.  No one looks like this without proper weight training.

Really? My male family members looked pretty similar to that in their younger years and they never saw the inside of a gym. Their kids will probably look like that as they get older because they are already naturally big/muscular for their ages (early/mid teens). You would be surprised at how younger kids/adults look without training. Americans are fat as heck so that's probably why you haven't seen guys like that. Of course not actually training and eating like pigs only had my family members looking that way into their early 20s, keeping that lifestyle past that has their bodies looking a mess the older they get, they are now fat or have muscular arms and big bellies, haha!

Are you saying you're too good for Yabu? Because I, as a straight male, would not even go so far yet. It's just too early.

[knuckleballer]

I have also read the scouting reports that said he had little weight training and needed to cut fat and add muscle.  I don't know where that came from, but it is clearly wrong.  No one looks like this without proper weight training.

Really? My male family members looked pretty similar to that in their younger years and they never saw the inside of a gym. Their kids will probably look like that as they get older because they are already naturally big/muscular for their ages (early/mid teens). You would be surprised at how younger kids/adults look without training. Americans are fat as heck so that's probably why you haven't seen guys like that. Of course not actually training and eating like pigs only had my family members looking that way into their early 20s, keeping that lifestyle past that has their bodies looking a mess the older they get, they are now fat or have muscular arms and big bellies, haha!

Your family members are 250 pounds of muscle with roughly 5% body fat in their teens and early 20s without ever having lifted a weight?  Are they eating steroids for breakfast? 

[Celtics4ever]

Your family members are 250 pounds of muscle with roughly 5% body fat in their teens and early 20s without ever having lifted a weight?  Are they eating steroids for breakfast?

I have seen some who had bodies without really trying.   But usually, they did the pushup and pull-ups things to get there.  Bo Jackson was that way.

Certainly, some bodies respond better to weights than others.   I am one of the lucky ones, I got bigger than guys usually roids I knew, because of my frame and body type.   I never got below 6% though but I was stronger and got bigger than my brother in law who used dianabol.   I never touched the stuff.   I am 3" taller and have much broader shoulders than him.  I felt bad for him when this occurred.

So I think in some cases, not all genetics can help a guy.   Though I think this is somewhat rare.  I credit it to Scandinavian Genes because they seem to produce a fair share of strongmen.  A lot of people of African descent have low body fat too, I seen in the Army.

[CelticPride2016]

i think ainges first hand experience with sullinger type body and skill may have opened his eyes to the effectiveness of skilled bulk

Yabusele seems to already know taking care of that body is important.   He also does not take ill advised shots early in the shot clock, is mobile and can move way better than Sully.   He may never equal him in rebounding.

I think Ainge saw Draymond Green potential in him more than Sully!

The lines are blurring between all the five traditional positions. Maybe Ainge noticed how good a strongman type could produce first in Barkley? As GM, Ainge selected Glen Baby Davis as his first big pf/c little guy? I remember Ainge also drafted Harangody. It made no sense. Danny can be a little off with his game sometimes, but no one's perfect. Powe was another tweener using his strength. Too bad his knees blew up. He would've been a great player coming out of nowhere.

[CelticPride2016]

Okay, thanks Rollie. I reread what you wrote. You seem to have said it was Barkley who might have influenced Ainge into appreciating what you refer to as skilled bulk.