Jaylen Brown and Darius Miles Comparison

[LarBrd33]

brown was called a poor man's justice Winslow. 

By whom?  You?

This was considered a weak draft.  The only two players with real expectations are Simmons and Ingram.

NBADraft.net comparison for Jaylen Brown: Jason Richardson / Jimmy Butler.

Still seen as almost a lock for the top 10, might have even greater potential than the wing players chosen in the top 10 of last years strong draft

DraftExpress:

Brown didn't have the season some expected him to at the college level, but has outstanding physical tools and plenty of room to continue to grow as a shooter, ball-handler and perimeter defender. Despite his up and down freshman campaign, there's a strong chance Brown hears his name called somewhere from picks 3 to 8 in the upcoming draft. Given his combination of size and athleticism, his success from that point will largely come down to how quickly his skill level comes around in the environment he's drafted into.

These don't sound like low expectations.  They sound like the scouting report of a raw, physically gifted player with a very high ceiling, dependent on work ethic and getting drafted into a good situation.

Google "Jaylen brown justice Winslow" and you'll see several comparing the two.   Google "Jaylen brown bust" and you'll see plenty.  He's believed to have the biggest bust potential of any player taken in the lotto.

Darius Miles got hyped early.  Nobody is hyping Jaylen.

It could be pointed out that Jaylen doesn't have an agent and that might be part of the reason for the lack of hype, but in general the pick was seen as a reach.  If he ever ends up an NBA starter, a lot of people will be eating crow.  Many think that aside from his natural athleticism, he's going to struggle to make any kind of impact on the NBA level.  Whether he develops into a NBA player in a few years is anyone's guess.  He's got youth on his side.

[PhoSita]

Much less hype with Jaylen Brown.  Most don't see him as a future star.  Instead of sticking Jaylen on the cover, Sports Illustrated flat out ignores Brown in their rookie splash image in favor of Kris Dunn:



Kinda telling on how folks see Brown right now.  Hopefully he gets there in spite of minimal expectations.

It's telling on how many minutes and shot attempts people think Brown is gonna get on the Celtics.

i think the fact that nobody expects great things out of Brown and many expect him to bust entirely works in his favor.  Pierce probably wouldn't have been as good as he was without the motivation of being picked 10th. Maybe the fact people laughed at the Jaylen pick on Twitter and called it a reach will motivate the kid.  Here's hoping.  Crossing my fingers he defies expectations.

I reject your premise as to "nobody expects great things."  This doesn't accord with what I've read and heard whatsoever.


The take on Brown I've encountered consistently is that he is

- Raw
- Extremely physically gifted
- Eccentric but very smart
- Won't do a lot right away on the Celts
- Has legitimate All-Star potential, but could also be a bust if his shot / handle never become NBA-caliber.


The "no expectations" label you're touting sounds to me more like how people discuss Skal Labissiere.


As often, you resort to "many people are saying" type appeals to the wisdom of the crowd while providing very little in the way of substantive evidence to support your claims. 

You, sir, are the one pushing "hype" in this case, only it's the same kind of "hype" you typically push, which is to say "gloom and doom sensationalism."




There's really no mystery to why we're hearing more about Simmons, Ingram, and Dunn.  Those guys landed on terrible teams and will be playing 30+ mpg pretty much from day 1, with very little restriction on shot selection or role.

Brown, on the other hand, will have to carve out a rotation spot on a team that's got Conference Finals aspirations.  He'll likely see plenty of D-League time this year.

That, to be honest, is the biggest similarity I see to Justise Winslow.  Brown will have to earn his place on a team that's already pretty good.  Jimmy Butler had to do the same thing.


I had my doubts all along about Brown as a draft pick, but I don't agree with your characterization of the general consensus on Brown as a draft selection.  Not at all.

[LarBrd33]

Much less hype with Jaylen Brown.  Most don't see him as a future star.  Instead of sticking Jaylen on the cover, Sports Illustrated flat out ignores Brown in their rookie splash image in favor of Kris Dunn:



Kinda telling on how folks see Brown right now.  Hopefully he gets there in spite of minimal expectations.

It's telling on how many minutes and shot attempts people think Brown is gonna get on the Celtics.

i think the fact that nobody expects great things out of Brown and many expect him to bust entirely works in his favor.  Pierce probably wouldn't have been as good as he was without the motivation of being picked 10th. Maybe the fact people laughed at the Jaylen pick on Twitter and called it a reach will motivate the kid.  Here's hoping.  Crossing my fingers he defies expectations.

I reject your premise as to "nobody expects great things."  This doesn't accord with what I've read and heard whatsoever.


The take on Brown I've encountered consistently is that he is

- Raw
- Extremely physically gifted
- Eccentric but very smart
- Won't do a lot right away on the Celts
- Has legitimate All-Star potential, but could also be a bust if his shot / handle never become NBA-caliber.


The "no expectations" label you're touting sounds to me more like how people discuss Skal Labissiere.

i guess anyone with great athleticism and youth has "all star potential", but few anticipate that out of Jaylen.  He's got all star potential like Gerald green had all star potential.  I see brown labeled a future bust far more than I see him labeled a future all star. 

[celticsclay]

brown was called a poor man's justice Winslow. 

By whom?  You?

This was considered a weak draft.  The only two players with real expectations are Simmons and Ingram.

NBADraft.net comparison for Jaylen Brown: Jason Richardson / Jimmy Butler.

Still seen as almost a lock for the top 10, might have even greater potential than the wing players chosen in the top 10 of last years strong draft

DraftExpress:

Brown didn't have the season some expected him to at the college level, but has outstanding physical tools and plenty of room to continue to grow as a shooter, ball-handler and perimeter defender. Despite his up and down freshman campaign, there's a strong chance Brown hears his name called somewhere from picks 3 to 8 in the upcoming draft. Given his combination of size and athleticism, his success from that point will largely come down to how quickly his skill level comes around in the environment he's drafted into.

These don't sound like low expectations.  They sound like the scouting report of a raw, physically gifted player with a very high ceiling, dependent on work ethic and getting drafted into a good situation.

Great post pho. Logic isn't going very far with larbrd these days but he is trying the "scream it till people believe it theory"

[LarBrd33]

Lol nobody is denying he has physical tools.  If you read any article on him they will point out his physical tools. Still, many peg him as a future bust with a severe lack of skill.   We all hope he develops NBA skills over the next several years, but expectations are pretty low for him.

Based on the Jaylen brown consensus, I think we should consider ourselves lucky if he ever starts an NBA game.

I don't personally agree with the consensus though.  I think brown has a future.

[Eja117]

I don't think there is any comparison at all between these two people. None. It would be difficult to find two more different people and players

[Eddie20]

If Brown were on the Sixers he'd be the next Dominique. Funny how a uniform changes how he's viewed.

[LarBrd33]

If Brown were on the Sixers he'd be the next Dominique. Funny how a uniform changes how he's viewed.

That's not how scouting works.  They form opinions before the players are drafted - not after.  Brown was labeled a bust before we drafted him.

[celticsclay]

If Brown were on the Sixers he'd be the next Dominique. Funny how a uniform changes how he's viewed.

That's not how scouting works.  They form opinions before the players are drafted - not after.  Brown was labeled a bust before we drafted him.

Dig in those heels old friend. We all believe you. Nobody thinks brown will be good.

[LarBrd33]

If Brown were on the Sixers he'd be the next Dominique. Funny how a uniform changes how he's viewed.

That's not how scouting works.  They form opinions before the players are drafted - not after.  Brown was labeled a bust before we drafted him.

Dig in those heels old friend. We all believe you. Nobody thinks brown will be good.

i think he will be good.  Im very excited about Jaylen. I'm in the minority, though.  Most think he will be average at most.  Despite the perception of him as a likely bust, myself and a lot of Celtic fans have faith he will defy the expectations.   There's plenty of green Kool aid to go around.  Ignore the consensus - join us. 

[celticsclay]

If Brown were on the Sixers he'd be the next Dominique. Funny how a uniform changes how he's viewed.

That's not how scouting works.  They form opinions before the players are drafted - not after.  Brown was labeled a bust before we drafted him.

Dig in those heels old friend. We all believe you. Nobody thinks brown will be good.

i think he will be good.  Im very excited about Jaylen. I'm in the minority, though.  Most think he will be average at most.  Despite the perception of him as a likely bust, myself and a lot of Celtic fans have faith he will defy the expectations.   There's plenty of green Kool aid to go around.  Ignore the consensus - join us.

Most publications have him as a future superstar and third ranked played in his class. I'm honestly excited.

[LarBrd33]

If Brown were on the Sixers he'd be the next Dominique. Funny how a uniform changes how he's viewed.

That's not how scouting works.  They form opinions before the players are drafted - not after.  Brown was labeled a bust before we drafted him.

Dig in those heels old friend. We all believe you. Nobody thinks brown will be good.

i think he will be good.  Im very excited about Jaylen. I'm in the minority, though.  Most think he will be average at most.  Despite the perception of him as a likely bust, myself and a lot of Celtic fans have faith he will defy the expectations.   There's plenty of green Kool aid to go around.  Ignore the consensus - join us.

Most publications have him as a future superstar and third ranked played in his class. I'm honestly excited.

Show me one.   Most I read pegged him as the 8th best prospect with major bust potential.  He was called consistently the prospect with the most bust potential.  I'm excited anyways.  I have faith in Ainge.  Hopefully brown develops NBA skills.

[celticsclay]

If Brown were on the Sixers he'd be the next Dominique. Funny how a uniform changes how he's viewed.

That's not how scouting works.  They form opinions before the players are drafted - not after.  Brown was labeled a bust before we drafted him.

Dig in those heels old friend. We all believe you. Nobody thinks brown will be good.

i think he will be good.  Im very excited about Jaylen. I'm in the minority, though.  Most think he will be average at most.  Despite the perception of him as a likely bust, myself and a lot of Celtic fans have faith he will defy the expectations.   There's plenty of green Kool aid to go around.  Ignore the consensus - join us.

Most publications have him as a future superstar and third ranked played in his class. I'm honestly excited.

Show me one.   Most I read pegged him as the 8th best prospect with major bust potential.  He was called consistently the prospect with the most bust potential.  I'm excited anyways.  I have faith in Ainge.  Hopefully brown develops NBA skills.

show me one

[LarBrd33]

If Brown were on the Sixers he'd be the next Dominique. Funny how a uniform changes how he's viewed.

That's not how scouting works.  They form opinions before the players are drafted - not after.  Brown was labeled a bust before we drafted him.

Dig in those heels old friend. We all believe you. Nobody thinks brown will be good.

i think he will be good.  Im very excited about Jaylen. I'm in the minority, though.  Most think he will be average at most.  Despite the perception of him as a likely bust, myself and a lot of Celtic fans have faith he will defy the expectations.   There's plenty of green Kool aid to go around.  Ignore the consensus - join us.

Most publications have him as a future superstar and third ranked played in his class. I'm honestly excited.

Show me one.   Most I read pegged him as the 8th best prospect with major bust potential.  He was called consistently the prospect with the most bust potential.  I'm excited anyways.  I have faith in Ainge.  Hopefully brown develops NBA skills.

show me one

I showed you four on the previous page.

[SCeltic34]

If Brown were on the Sixers he'd be the next Dominique. Funny how a uniform changes how he's viewed.

That's not how scouting works.  They form opinions before the players are drafted - not after.  Brown was labeled a bust before we drafted him.

Dig in those heels old friend. We all believe you. Nobody thinks brown will be good.

i think he will be good.  Im very excited about Jaylen. I'm in the minority, though.  Most think he will be average at most.  Despite the perception of him as a likely bust, myself and a lot of Celtic fans have faith he will defy the expectations.   There's plenty of green Kool aid to go around.  Ignore the consensus - join us.

How good though?  Like how you expected Smart, who was known to be a weak offensive player coming out of college, to average 20/5/5 by his 2nd year?

The more I read your posts, the more I think that you don't watch actual basketball games, and instead just read random information on the internet and interpret generally meaningless traditional stats as accurate forecasts of a player's value.

It's also counterintuitive to assert that Brown was a pre-determined bust by experts and fans alike, seeing as how he was projected by these same people to be a consensus top 8 pick.