Jaylen Brown and Darius Miles Comparison

[KingofDaPlayazBall]

Watching their highlights i thought the two were very alike in their game:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8yFXsyGafI

Darius Miles was a very talented player, but he had attitude issues.  his career derailed after suffering a knee injury.

[Eddie20]

Darius was a stick who struggled with physical play. Brown is built much differently.

[LarBrd33]

Different play styles, but it's a good comp in the sense that both were raw with lots of theoretical potential and taken 3rd.   Miles had more people thinking he would be a future superstar than Brown currently has. 

They put Miles on the cover of Sports Illustrated next to KG.  People were calling him the next KG.  There was a lot of hype and expectations.



Darius Miles is a bit of a cautionary tale of expecting raw prospects with major potential to actually fulfill that potential.


Much less hype with Jaylen Brown.  Most don't see him as a future star.  Instead of sticking Jaylen on the cover, Sports Illustrated flat out ignores Brown in their rookie splash image in favor of Kris Dunn:



Kinda telling on how folks see Brown right now.  Hopefully he gets there in spite of minimal expectations.

[Snakehead]

I do not see them that similar.  Miles and Odom were pretty similar when they both played on the Clippers and formed an interesting duo that way.  Odom was bigger of course and a better passer/playmaker and became a much better player.

Brown is a 6'7" pure slasher built like a tank.  Miles was a skinny 6'9" but interesting athlete who was known for yes slashing but also shot blocking.  Unlike Brown, his build was always a worry and turned out to be part of the reason he did fail.   He ideally would have been similar to Odom, but never rebounded consistently like Odom did.  I mean he didn't do anything consistently so yeah.  Brown is really in a different realm as far as physicality.

I lived in Cleveland when Miles was there and he really floundered mentally when he went there and certainly after.  This is a guy who had major off the court issues time and again.  We will see how Brown goes, but so far I see a guy who should not have those same issues.

Also, keep in mind Miles was in the thick of the highscool to NBA picks, and was not the only one to be quite a failure in that time.

[timpiker]

I don't Brown resembles Miles at all.

[KG Living Legend]

Different play styles, but it's a good comp in the sense that both were raw with lots of theoretical potential and taken 3rd.   Miles had more people thinking he would be a future superstar than Brown currently has. 

They put Miles on the cover of Sports Illustrated next to KG.  People were calling him the next KG.  There was a lot of hype and expectations.



Darius Miles is a bit of a cautionary tale of expecting raw prospects with major potential to actually fulfill that potential.


Much less hype with Jaylen Brown.  Most don't see him as a future star.  Instead of sticking Jaylen on the cover, Sports Illustrated flat out ignores Brown in their rookie splash image in favor of Kris Dunn:



Kinda telling on how folks see Brown right now.  Hopefully he gets there in spite of minimal expectations.

 Miles is a horrible comp IMO. About 3" taller, much skinnier but the biggest difference is intelligence. Miles had an IQ on par with Ryan Lochte. Which is to say one of the dumbest athletes in the history of man kind.

[jambr380]

LarBrd, 'Minimal Expectations?' Come on - you're better than that. There are a lot of expectations for Brown, he is just not expected to be an immediate savior since we don't really need one (we are already very good).

Brown can progress slowly without any pressure. And please please please let's not talk about draft tiers   

As for the Miles comp - I agree that their builds and attitudes are totally different, but they are both very athletic. It'll be nice to have an elite athletic player here who is also quite cerebral. I can't wait to see Brown play meaningful minutes.

[LarBrd33]

LarBrd, 'Minimal Expectations?' Come on - you're better than that. There are a lot of expectations for Brown, he is just not expected to be an immediate savior since we don't really need one (we are already very good).

Brown can progress slowly without any pressure. And please please please let's not talk about draft tiers   

As for the Miles comp - I agree that their builds and attitudes are totally different, but they are both very athletic. It'll be nice to have an elite athletic player here who is also quite cerebral. I can't wait to see Brown play meaningful minutes.

yeah.  He's considered 5x more likely to be an outright bust than an all star. 

Analytics, which more and more NBA teams embrace as gospel, paint Brown as a potential cautionary tale. In the stats-only portion of ESPN Insider analyst Kevin Pelton’s draft projections, Brown ranks 101st among all draft-eligible prospects with a WARP (wins above replacement player) of minus-0.5.


Only two players taken in the top 10 since 2006 — Joe Alexander (eighth pick, 2008) and Austin Rivers (10th pick, 2012) — had a negative WARP, per ESPN. Six years removed from his last NBA game, Alexander is laboring overseas. Rivers seemed headed for an early NBA exit before his father, Clippers head coach Doc Rivers, resuscitated his career.

ESPN’s analytics group puts Brown’s chances of being a bust within his first five seasons at 38 percent, nearly five times as likely as him becoming an All-Star in that same span. The numbers suggest he is more apt to earn the draft’s worst label than become a bench player (34 percent) or starter (21 percent).

USA today named him one of the 5 most likely players in the draft to bust:

Brown is another athletic wing prospect with an underdeveloped game. He lived at the free throw line in college, which is how he got a lot of his points. Calls are tougher to get in the NBA, so if he can’t get to the charity stripe often, it’s hard to see him developing into an offensive threat.

Per the Washington post:

Brown, a 6-foot-7 forward, got booed at the team’s draft party at at TD Garden, with many wondering if he has a reliable enough jump shot to make the transition to the NBA.

Expectations are lower for brown than they were for miles.

[celticsclay]

LarBrd, 'Minimal Expectations?' Come on - you're better than that. There are a lot of expectations for Brown, he is just not expected to be an immediate savior since we don't really need one (we are already very good).

Brown can progress slowly without any pressure. And please please please let's not talk about draft tiers   

As for the Miles comp - I agree that their builds and attitudes are totally different, but they are both very athletic. It'll be nice to have an elite athletic player here who is also quite cerebral. I can't wait to see Brown play meaningful minutes.

yeah.  He's considered 5x more likely to be an outright bust than an all star. 

Analytics, which more and more NBA teams embrace as gospel, paint Brown as a potential cautionary tale. In the stats-only portion of ESPN Insider analyst Kevin Pelton’s draft projections, Brown ranks 101st among all draft-eligible prospects with a WARP (wins above replacement player) of minus-0.5.


Only two players taken in the top 10 since 2006 — Joe Alexander (eighth pick, 2008) and Austin Rivers (10th pick, 2012) — had a negative WARP, per ESPN. Six years removed from his last NBA game, Alexander is laboring overseas. Rivers seemed headed for an early NBA exit before his father, Clippers head coach Doc Rivers, resuscitated his career.

ESPN’s analytics group puts Brown’s chances of being a bust within his first five seasons at 38 percent, nearly five times as likely as him becoming an All-Star in that same span. The numbers suggest he is more apt to earn the draft’s worst label than become a bench player (34 percent) or starter (21 percent).

USA today named him one of the 5 most likely players in the draft to bust:

Brown is another athletic wing prospect with an underdeveloped game. He lived at the free throw line in college, which is how he got a lot of his points. Calls are tougher to get in the NBA, so if he can’t get to the charity stripe often, it’s hard to see him developing into an offensive threat.

Expectations are lower for brown than they were for miles.

but higher than they were for smart

[LarBrd33]

LarBrd, 'Minimal Expectations?' Come on - you're better than that. There are a lot of expectations for Brown, he is just not expected to be an immediate savior since we don't really need one (we are already very good).

Brown can progress slowly without any pressure. And please please please let's not talk about draft tiers   

As for the Miles comp - I agree that their builds and attitudes are totally different, but they are both very athletic. It'll be nice to have an elite athletic player here who is also quite cerebral. I can't wait to see Brown play meaningful minutes.

yeah.  He's considered 5x more likely to be an outright bust than an all star. 

Analytics, which more and more NBA teams embrace as gospel, paint Brown as a potential cautionary tale. In the stats-only portion of ESPN Insider analyst Kevin Pelton’s draft projections, Brown ranks 101st among all draft-eligible prospects with a WARP (wins above replacement player) of minus-0.5.


Only two players taken in the top 10 since 2006 — Joe Alexander (eighth pick, 2008) and Austin Rivers (10th pick, 2012) — had a negative WARP, per ESPN. Six years removed from his last NBA game, Alexander is laboring overseas. Rivers seemed headed for an early NBA exit before his father, Clippers head coach Doc Rivers, resuscitated his career.

ESPN’s analytics group puts Brown’s chances of being a bust within his first five seasons at 38 percent, nearly five times as likely as him becoming an All-Star in that same span. The numbers suggest he is more apt to earn the draft’s worst label than become a bench player (34 percent) or starter (21 percent).

USA today named him one of the 5 most likely players in the draft to bust:

Brown is another athletic wing prospect with an underdeveloped game. He lived at the free throw line in college, which is how he got a lot of his points. Calls are tougher to get in the NBA, so if he can’t get to the charity stripe often, it’s hard to see him developing into an offensive threat.

Expectations are lower for brown than they were for miles.

but higher than they were for smart

not at all.  Smart entered the league with expectations he was one of the two most "NBA ready" in his draft.  Expectations for brown are significantly lower. 

[jambr380]

Just because Darius Miles might have had higher expectations doesn't mean Brown has minimal expectations. The two points do not relate to each other. A #3 pick never ever has minimal expectations. Each one is a top end prospect/selection because a lot is expected of him.

I do give you credit for citing your sources, though.

Edit: Your last point about being booed is really misleading. You are well aware it wasn't Brown that was booed, it was the fact that we didn't trade the pick for Jimmy Butler. Others, like myself, preferred Dunn; some even liked Bender or Murray, but the Brown selection was universally seen as decent, if not exciting.

[LarBrd33]

Just because Darius Miles might have had higher expectations doesn't mean Brown has minimal expectations. The two points do not relate to each other. A #3 pick never ever has minimal expectations. Each one is a top end prospect/selection because a lot is expected of him.

I do give you credit for citing your sources, though.

Edit: Your last point about being booed is really misleading. You are well aware it wasn't Brown that was booed, it was the fact that we didn't trade the pick for Jimmy Butler. Others, like myself, preferred Dunn; some even liked Bender or Murray, but the Brown selection was universally seen as decent, if not exciting.

brown was called a poor man's justice Winslow.  All he needs to do is avoid being a bust and play some decent defense off the bench for him to reach expectations.  Anything over that is a bonus.   I hope he ends up an all star, but I'll be happy with him just finding a role.  This was considered a weak draft.  The only two players with real expectations are Simmons and Ingram.

[PhoSita]

Much less hype with Jaylen Brown.  Most don't see him as a future star.  Instead of sticking Jaylen on the cover, Sports Illustrated flat out ignores Brown in their rookie splash image in favor of Kris Dunn:



Kinda telling on how folks see Brown right now.  Hopefully he gets there in spite of minimal expectations.

It's telling on how many minutes and shot attempts people think Brown is gonna get on the Celtics.

[PhoSita]

brown was called a poor man's justice Winslow. 

By whom?  You?

This was considered a weak draft.  The only two players with real expectations are Simmons and Ingram.

NBADraft.net comparison for Jaylen Brown: Jason Richardson / Jimmy Butler.

Still seen as almost a lock for the top 10, might have even greater potential than the wing players chosen in the top 10 of last years strong draft

DraftExpress:

Brown didn't have the season some expected him to at the college level, but has outstanding physical tools and plenty of room to continue to grow as a shooter, ball-handler and perimeter defender. Despite his up and down freshman campaign, there's a strong chance Brown hears his name called somewhere from picks 3 to 8 in the upcoming draft. Given his combination of size and athleticism, his success from that point will largely come down to how quickly his skill level comes around in the environment he's drafted into.

These don't sound like low expectations.  They sound like the scouting report of a raw, physically gifted player with a very high ceiling, dependent on work ethic and getting drafted into a good situation.

[LarBrd33]

Much less hype with Jaylen Brown.  Most don't see him as a future star.  Instead of sticking Jaylen on the cover, Sports Illustrated flat out ignores Brown in their rookie splash image in favor of Kris Dunn:



Kinda telling on how folks see Brown right now.  Hopefully he gets there in spite of minimal expectations.

It's telling on how many minutes and shot attempts people think Brown is gonna get on the Celtics.

i think the fact that nobody expects great things out of Brown and many expect him to bust entirely works in his favor.  Pierce probably wouldn't have been as good as he was without the motivation of being picked 10th. Maybe the fact people laughed at the Jaylen pick on Twitter and called it a reach will motivate the kid.  Here's hoping.  Crossing my fingers he defies expectations.