Poll: both Nets picks+ Bradley for Klay Thompson

[D Dub]

what is wrong with you people? Why don't you just sell both Nets picks for a box of donuts?

Depends. Are we talking Back Door Donuts??

[Celtics4ever]

GS hangs up laughing.

[slamtheking]

Put Klay on a lottery team and he wouldn't even sniff an all-star appearance.

In 2011-12, GSW was a lottery team and Thompson was in the 1st All-Rookie Team.

which is not nearly the same as an all-star or all-NBA-Anything team. 

just as a general observation about the all-rookie teams, the players on those teams tend to be from lottery teams that needed to play rookies a lot.  while it's still an honor to make that team, it's typically skewed to the rookies that got a lot of minutes on bad teams. 

[dannyboy35]

No way

[konkmv]

Klay is great but no... He is not a top 10 player in the league to give up so much

[Moranis]

Too much for Thompson.  probably would do AB and Nets 2018 with the expectation that the Nets pick that year is still lottery but they have another season and offseason in which to improve a bit.  (moving Lopez for a couple of mid-first rounders would not be surprising or a late-lottery with another first). 

AB isn't inept as a shooter but he's much better on D than Klay.  That 2018 pick should more than make up for the talent and contractual differences between those 2 players.  question becomes who else has to go out with AB to balance the salaries in the deal

much better on D based on what? Bradley has a better DBPM and a slightly better performance at steals, that's all.

More generally about this thread, there is no doubt Thompson is the better overall player of the two, and that GSW has little interest in either trading Thompson or developing draft picks. I really do not see the point of this conversation.

Yeah seriously.  I love AB's defense but one could make an argument that Thompson is the better defender.  Dude can defend and is bigger than AB, thus can defend a wider range of players.

I wouldn't go with Klay as the better defender.  Good defender certainly, better - no.

AB has repeatedly demonstrated the ability to seriously hamper, if not totally disrupt, the play of the guards on other teams.   Been demonstrating from early in his career.  While Klay is certainly a competent defender, I've never seen him frustrate his opposition on defense.  Granted I don't watch GSW games like I watch C's games but just watching the 2 of them play, I'd give a solid edge to AB on defense when comparing them.

While not taking the stance that Klay is a better defender, I think you're seriously underrating his defense.  Clearly he and AB are different kinds of defenders, I don't see the gap between the two being all that wide.

One was on the All NBA Defensive 1st Team.  One was not on the 1st or 2nd team.  One finished 6th for Defensive Player of the Year.  One received no votes and was thus at best 18th.

How does voting Bradley for DPOY 2016 means you think he is much better than Thompson?
By the same logic, Curry getting the unanimous MVP is infinitely better than any other player. You cannot quantify award votes this way.

Back to the initial question: I do not see why GSW would do such a trade. Thompson was very important in their success these last two years; and esp. in the playoffs you could say he was better than Curry.

And if  the C's decided to trade both Nets picks (that's a big if), IMO our first choice will be a big who can play with Horford, not a guard since we already have plenty of them.

This is a trade idea coming out of nowhere.

Because those awards are voted on people that watch significantly more basketball then we do.  They know who had the better seasons and who the better players are.  Bradley finished 6th for DPOY and made the 1st Team All Defense.  You don't make those lists unless you are an elite defender.  Klay is not an elite defender.  He is a good defender, no question, but he isn't in Bradley's class on that end of the floor.  Klay, however is a much better offensive player and the better all around player than Bradley as a result.   

As for the MVP, Curry had by far the best season, which is what the MVP measures.  He deserved the MVP.  It isn't a best player award or James would have won something like 10 consecutive MVP's. 

[droopdog7]

Too much for Thompson.  probably would do AB and Nets 2018 with the expectation that the Nets pick that year is still lottery but they have another season and offseason in which to improve a bit.  (moving Lopez for a couple of mid-first rounders would not be surprising or a late-lottery with another first). 

AB isn't inept as a shooter but he's much better on D than Klay.  That 2018 pick should more than make up for the talent and contractual differences between those 2 players.  question becomes who else has to go out with AB to balance the salaries in the deal

much better on D based on what? Bradley has a better DBPM and a slightly better performance at steals, that's all.

More generally about this thread, there is no doubt Thompson is the better overall player of the two, and that GSW has little interest in either trading Thompson or developing draft picks. I really do not see the point of this conversation.

Yeah seriously.  I love AB's defense but one could make an argument that Thompson is the better defender.  Dude can defend and is bigger than AB, thus can defend a wider range of players.

I wouldn't go with Klay as the better defender.  Good defender certainly, better - no.

AB has repeatedly demonstrated the ability to seriously hamper, if not totally disrupt, the play of the guards on other teams.   Been demonstrating from early in his career.  While Klay is certainly a competent defender, I've never seen him frustrate his opposition on defense.  Granted I don't watch GSW games like I watch C's games but just watching the 2 of them play, I'd give a solid edge to AB on defense when comparing them.

While not taking the stance that Klay is a better defender, I think you're seriously underrating his defense.  Clearly he and AB are different kinds of defenders, I don't see the gap between the two being all that wide.

One was on the All NBA Defensive 1st Team.  One was not on the 1st or 2nd team.  One finished 6th for Defensive Player of the Year.  One received no votes and was thus at best 18th.

AB was not on the all defensive team in 2014 or 2015.  Was he not a good defender in those year?

I'm sorry but this isn't necessarily proof that AB is a much better defender than Klay. 

http://www.mercurynews.com/marcus-thompson/ci_30159773/thompson-klay-thompson-relishes-role-defensive-stopper-team

Put Klay on a lottery team and he wouldn't even sniff an all-star appearance.

Vehemently disagree.  IMO, put Klay on a lottery team and he becomes an MVP candidate.

[greece66]

Too much for Thompson.  probably would do AB and Nets 2018 with the expectation that the Nets pick that year is still lottery but they have another season and offseason in which to improve a bit.  (moving Lopez for a couple of mid-first rounders would not be surprising or a late-lottery with another first). 

AB isn't inept as a shooter but he's much better on D than Klay.  That 2018 pick should more than make up for the talent and contractual differences between those 2 players.  question becomes who else has to go out with AB to balance the salaries in the deal

much better on D based on what? Bradley has a better DBPM and a slightly better performance at steals, that's all.

More generally about this thread, there is no doubt Thompson is the better overall player of the two, and that GSW has little interest in either trading Thompson or developing draft picks. I really do not see the point of this conversation.

Yeah seriously.  I love AB's defense but one could make an argument that Thompson is the better defender.  Dude can defend and is bigger than AB, thus can defend a wider range of players.

I wouldn't go with Klay as the better defender.  Good defender certainly, better - no.

AB has repeatedly demonstrated the ability to seriously hamper, if not totally disrupt, the play of the guards on other teams.   Been demonstrating from early in his career.  While Klay is certainly a competent defender, I've never seen him frustrate his opposition on defense.  Granted I don't watch GSW games like I watch C's games but just watching the 2 of them play, I'd give a solid edge to AB on defense when comparing them.

While not taking the stance that Klay is a better defender, I think you're seriously underrating his defense.  Clearly he and AB are different kinds of defenders, I don't see the gap between the two being all that wide.

One was on the All NBA Defensive 1st Team.  One was not on the 1st or 2nd team.  One finished 6th for Defensive Player of the Year.  One received no votes and was thus at best 18th.

How does voting Bradley for DPOY 2016 means you think he is much better than Thompson?
By the same logic, Curry getting the unanimous MVP is infinitely better than any other player. You cannot quantify award votes this way.

Back to the initial question: I do not see why GSW would do such a trade. Thompson was very important in their success these last two years; and esp. in the playoffs you could say he was better than Curry.

And if  the C's decided to trade both Nets picks (that's a big if), IMO our first choice will be a big who can play with Horford, not a guard since we already have plenty of them.

This is a trade idea coming out of nowhere.

Because those awards are voted on people that watch significantly more basketball then we do.  They know who had the better seasons and who the better players are.  Bradley finished 6th for DPOY and made the 1st Team All Defense.  You don't make those lists unless you are an elite defender.  Klay is not an elite defender.  He is a good defender, no question, but he isn't in Bradley's class on that end of the floor.  Klay, however is a much better offensive player and the better all around player than Bradley as a result.   

As for the MVP, Curry had by far the best season, which is what the MVP measures.  He deserved the MVP.  It isn't a best player award or James would have won something like 10 consecutive MVP's.

@Moranis thanks for the reply.

You have misunderstood my point.

So, to repeat, you cannot quantify these lists. They are not a measure of how much better a player is than some one else.

Let me put it  this way. Let's say someone made a list of the 10 users with the most posts in the forums. What will this list tell you? Who are the users with the most posts obviously.

Would it tell you how many more posts they have by comparison with other users? No.

Maybe nr 10 in the list has 11 posts per day, and nr 17 (who was left out) has 9.91. Or maybe nr 17 has 3 posts per day. This is a question with which the list is not concerned.

Similarly, an award just tells who is considered the best in a given category. It does not tell you by what margin.  Also, since you value the opinion of specialists/journalists, I'm sure you are aware Thompson has received praised by several journalists for his defense on the ball.

Here is what Lowe says about him:

There is some debate about how good Thompson really is on defense. Advanced numbers still paint him as mediocre, much worse than his growing reputation as a stopper. He's a below-average rebounder, he doesn't swipe steals and he can be a little foul-prone -- bad math that submarines some of his adjusted plus-minus numbers. He's a little spacey off the ball, which is why the Warriors prefer deploying him against lead ball handlers.

Thompson is indisputably great at that job, and his ability to do it against players of different sizes helps unlock the switching scheme that has drained all the pass-happy lifeblood from Cleveland's offense.

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-other-guy-klay-thompson-on-his-sensational-season/

Anyway, this is the page of bball-reference I have alluded to earlier, you can see for yourself that they are p close defensively by any number or metric you want to use. Since these metrics/stats incorporate the players whole trajectory until now, IMO they are as good as any award when comparing them.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=bradlav01&p2=thompkl01&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=

In short, the distinctions you mention are not enough to establish that Bradley is much better than Thompson at D. He had a better year last season, we agree on that. But that's all.

[Eja117]

GS hangs up laughing.

All defensive player and two top 4 picks for a guy that's gonna want a bajillion dollars? Do they hang up laughing after saying no or after saying yes?

[greece66]

GS hangs up laughing.

All defensive player and two top 4 picks for a guy that's gonna want a bajillion dollars? Do they hang up laughing after saying no or after saying yes?

Yep, because they are in win-now mode and want the best players possible, not projects.

Also, Thompson is under contract for the next three seasons.

The only way to make this work would be if a third team were involved in the trade; but I do not see the point either for the C's or the Warriors. 

[Moranis]

Too much for Thompson.  probably would do AB and Nets 2018 with the expectation that the Nets pick that year is still lottery but they have another season and offseason in which to improve a bit.  (moving Lopez for a couple of mid-first rounders would not be surprising or a late-lottery with another first). 

AB isn't inept as a shooter but he's much better on D than Klay.  That 2018 pick should more than make up for the talent and contractual differences between those 2 players.  question becomes who else has to go out with AB to balance the salaries in the deal

much better on D based on what? Bradley has a better DBPM and a slightly better performance at steals, that's all.

More generally about this thread, there is no doubt Thompson is the better overall player of the two, and that GSW has little interest in either trading Thompson or developing draft picks. I really do not see the point of this conversation.

Yeah seriously.  I love AB's defense but one could make an argument that Thompson is the better defender.  Dude can defend and is bigger than AB, thus can defend a wider range of players.

I wouldn't go with Klay as the better defender.  Good defender certainly, better - no.

AB has repeatedly demonstrated the ability to seriously hamper, if not totally disrupt, the play of the guards on other teams.   Been demonstrating from early in his career.  While Klay is certainly a competent defender, I've never seen him frustrate his opposition on defense.  Granted I don't watch GSW games like I watch C's games but just watching the 2 of them play, I'd give a solid edge to AB on defense when comparing them.

While not taking the stance that Klay is a better defender, I think you're seriously underrating his defense.  Clearly he and AB are different kinds of defenders, I don't see the gap between the two being all that wide.

One was on the All NBA Defensive 1st Team.  One was not on the 1st or 2nd team.  One finished 6th for Defensive Player of the Year.  One received no votes and was thus at best 18th.

How does voting Bradley for DPOY 2016 means you think he is much better than Thompson?
By the same logic, Curry getting the unanimous MVP is infinitely better than any other player. You cannot quantify award votes this way.

Back to the initial question: I do not see why GSW would do such a trade. Thompson was very important in their success these last two years; and esp. in the playoffs you could say he was better than Curry.

And if  the C's decided to trade both Nets picks (that's a big if), IMO our first choice will be a big who can play with Horford, not a guard since we already have plenty of them.

This is a trade idea coming out of nowhere.

Because those awards are voted on people that watch significantly more basketball then we do.  They know who had the better seasons and who the better players are.  Bradley finished 6th for DPOY and made the 1st Team All Defense.  You don't make those lists unless you are an elite defender.  Klay is not an elite defender.  He is a good defender, no question, but he isn't in Bradley's class on that end of the floor.  Klay, however is a much better offensive player and the better all around player than Bradley as a result.   

As for the MVP, Curry had by far the best season, which is what the MVP measures.  He deserved the MVP.  It isn't a best player award or James would have won something like 10 consecutive MVP's.

@Moranis thanks for the reply.

You have misunderstood my point.

So, to repeat, you cannot quantify these lists. They are not a measure of how much better a player is than some one else.

Let me put it  this way. Let's say someone made a list of the 10 users with the most posts in the forums. What will this list tell you? Who are the users with the most posts obviously.

Would it tell you how many more posts they have by comparison with other users? No.

Maybe nr 10 in the list has 11 posts per day, and nr 17 (who was left out) has 9.91. Or maybe nr 17 has 3 posts per day. This is a question with which the list is not concerned.

Similarly, an award just tells who is considered the best in a given category. It does not tell you by what margin.  Also, since you value the opinion of specialists/journalists, I'm sure you are aware Thompson has received praised by several journalists for his defense on the ball.

Here is what Lowe says about him:

There is some debate about how good Thompson really is on defense. Advanced numbers still paint him as mediocre, much worse than his growing reputation as a stopper. He's a below-average rebounder, he doesn't swipe steals and he can be a little foul-prone -- bad math that submarines some of his adjusted plus-minus numbers. He's a little spacey off the ball, which is why the Warriors prefer deploying him against lead ball handlers.

Thompson is indisputably great at that job, and his ability to do it against players of different sizes helps unlock the switching scheme that has drained all the pass-happy lifeblood from Cleveland's offense.

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-other-guy-klay-thompson-on-his-sensational-season/

Anyway, this is the page of bball-reference I have alluded to earlier, you can see for yourself that they are p close defensively by any number or metric you want to use. Since these metrics/stats incorporate the players whole trajectory until now, IMO they are as good as any award when comparing them.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=bradlav01&p2=thompkl01&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=

In short, the distinctions you mention are not enough to establish that Bradley is much better than Thompson at D. He had a better year last season, we agree on that. But that's all.

You know the gap is at least 13 players in the DPOY voting.  Now sure you can't quantify the gap really other than to say that Bradley is at least 13 players better than Thompson. 

Of course I've seen them both play and I can tell you the gap is fairly significant.  At least significant enough to be noticeable.  Avery Bradley is a better defender than Klay Thompson.  The eye test tells me this, but so do the awards and honors, and every advanced defensive statistic.  At some point, you can't just ignore the evidence even if your eyes lead you to a different conclusion (though I personally would really question your eyes if they tell you Thompson is a better defender than Bradley).

[greece66]

Too much for Thompson.  probably would do AB and Nets 2018 with the expectation that the Nets pick that year is still lottery but they have another season and offseason in which to improve a bit.  (moving Lopez for a couple of mid-first rounders would not be surprising or a late-lottery with another first). 

AB isn't inept as a shooter but he's much better on D than Klay.  That 2018 pick should more than make up for the talent and contractual differences between those 2 players.  question becomes who else has to go out with AB to balance the salaries in the deal

much better on D based on what? Bradley has a better DBPM and a slightly better performance at steals, that's all.

More generally about this thread, there is no doubt Thompson is the better overall player of the two, and that GSW has little interest in either trading Thompson or developing draft picks. I really do not see the point of this conversation.

Yeah seriously.  I love AB's defense but one could make an argument that Thompson is the better defender.  Dude can defend and is bigger than AB, thus can defend a wider range of players.

I wouldn't go with Klay as the better defender.  Good defender certainly, better - no.

AB has repeatedly demonstrated the ability to seriously hamper, if not totally disrupt, the play of the guards on other teams.   Been demonstrating from early in his career.  While Klay is certainly a competent defender, I've never seen him frustrate his opposition on defense.  Granted I don't watch GSW games like I watch C's games but just watching the 2 of them play, I'd give a solid edge to AB on defense when comparing them.

While not taking the stance that Klay is a better defender, I think you're seriously underrating his defense.  Clearly he and AB are different kinds of defenders, I don't see the gap between the two being all that wide.

One was on the All NBA Defensive 1st Team.  One was not on the 1st or 2nd team.  One finished 6th for Defensive Player of the Year.  One received no votes and was thus at best 18th.

How does voting Bradley for DPOY 2016 means you think he is much better than Thompson?
By the same logic, Curry getting the unanimous MVP is infinitely better than any other player. You cannot quantify award votes this way.

Back to the initial question: I do not see why GSW would do such a trade. Thompson was very important in their success these last two years; and esp. in the playoffs you could say he was better than Curry.

And if  the C's decided to trade both Nets picks (that's a big if), IMO our first choice will be a big who can play with Horford, not a guard since we already have plenty of them.

This is a trade idea coming out of nowhere.

Because those awards are voted on people that watch significantly more basketball then we do.  They know who had the better seasons and who the better players are.  Bradley finished 6th for DPOY and made the 1st Team All Defense.  You don't make those lists unless you are an elite defender.  Klay is not an elite defender.  He is a good defender, no question, but he isn't in Bradley's class on that end of the floor.  Klay, however is a much better offensive player and the better all around player than Bradley as a result.   

As for the MVP, Curry had by far the best season, which is what the MVP measures.  He deserved the MVP.  It isn't a best player award or James would have won something like 10 consecutive MVP's.

@Moranis thanks for the reply.

You have misunderstood my point.

So, to repeat, you cannot quantify these lists. They are not a measure of how much better a player is than some one else.

Let me put it  this way. Let's say someone made a list of the 10 users with the most posts in the forums. What will this list tell you? Who are the users with the most posts obviously.

Would it tell you how many more posts they have by comparison with other users? No.

Maybe nr 10 in the list has 11 posts per day, and nr 17 (who was left out) has 9.91. Or maybe nr 17 has 3 posts per day. This is a question with which the list is not concerned.

Similarly, an award just tells who is considered the best in a given category. It does not tell you by what margin.  Also, since you value the opinion of specialists/journalists, I'm sure you are aware Thompson has received praised by several journalists for his defense on the ball.

Here is what Lowe says about him:

There is some debate about how good Thompson really is on defense. Advanced numbers still paint him as mediocre, much worse than his growing reputation as a stopper. He's a below-average rebounder, he doesn't swipe steals and he can be a little foul-prone -- bad math that submarines some of his adjusted plus-minus numbers. He's a little spacey off the ball, which is why the Warriors prefer deploying him against lead ball handlers.

Thompson is indisputably great at that job, and his ability to do it against players of different sizes helps unlock the switching scheme that has drained all the pass-happy lifeblood from Cleveland's offense.

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-other-guy-klay-thompson-on-his-sensational-season/

Anyway, this is the page of bball-reference I have alluded to earlier, you can see for yourself that they are p close defensively by any number or metric you want to use. Since these metrics/stats incorporate the players whole trajectory until now, IMO they are as good as any award when comparing them.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=bradlav01&p2=thompkl01&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=

In short, the distinctions you mention are not enough to establish that Bradley is much better than Thompson at D. He had a better year last season, we agree on that. But that's all.

You know the gap is at least 13 players in the DPOY voting.  Now sure you can't quantify the gap really other than to say that Bradley is at least 13 players better than Thompson. 

Of course I've seen them both play and I can tell you the gap is fairly significant.  At least significant enough to be noticeable.  Avery Bradley is a better defender than Klay Thompson.  The eye test tells me this, but so do the awards and honors, and every advanced defensive statistic.  At some point, you can't just ignore the evidence even if your eyes lead you to a different conclusion (though I personally would really question your eyes if they tell you Thompson is a better defender than Bradley).

Well, I tried to explain my rationale in the most detailed way possible. But, you just ignored my points and here we come ending with a 'my opinion is better than your opinion and that's all there is' kind of reply.

Yes, 13 players but this includes all positions. Like DeAndre Jordan was in the team too..So, no he is not '13 players better' (for that one season)

May I also suggest you are exaggerating what these awards mean? For one thing they do not include playoff performance which is what really matters anyway, and for another you have to compare these players throughout their careers - not cherry pick the best season Bradley has had so far.

'All advanced defensive statistics' you say?  Like DWS, BLK%, and DRB%?

And ofc, your eyes are better than my eyes, this is the ultimate argument at any bball conversation.

[Moranis]

Too much for Thompson.  probably would do AB and Nets 2018 with the expectation that the Nets pick that year is still lottery but they have another season and offseason in which to improve a bit.  (moving Lopez for a couple of mid-first rounders would not be surprising or a late-lottery with another first). 

AB isn't inept as a shooter but he's much better on D than Klay.  That 2018 pick should more than make up for the talent and contractual differences between those 2 players.  question becomes who else has to go out with AB to balance the salaries in the deal

much better on D based on what? Bradley has a better DBPM and a slightly better performance at steals, that's all.

More generally about this thread, there is no doubt Thompson is the better overall player of the two, and that GSW has little interest in either trading Thompson or developing draft picks. I really do not see the point of this conversation.

Yeah seriously.  I love AB's defense but one could make an argument that Thompson is the better defender.  Dude can defend and is bigger than AB, thus can defend a wider range of players.

I wouldn't go with Klay as the better defender.  Good defender certainly, better - no.

AB has repeatedly demonstrated the ability to seriously hamper, if not totally disrupt, the play of the guards on other teams.   Been demonstrating from early in his career.  While Klay is certainly a competent defender, I've never seen him frustrate his opposition on defense.  Granted I don't watch GSW games like I watch C's games but just watching the 2 of them play, I'd give a solid edge to AB on defense when comparing them.

While not taking the stance that Klay is a better defender, I think you're seriously underrating his defense.  Clearly he and AB are different kinds of defenders, I don't see the gap between the two being all that wide.

One was on the All NBA Defensive 1st Team.  One was not on the 1st or 2nd team.  One finished 6th for Defensive Player of the Year.  One received no votes and was thus at best 18th.

How does voting Bradley for DPOY 2016 means you think he is much better than Thompson?
By the same logic, Curry getting the unanimous MVP is infinitely better than any other player. You cannot quantify award votes this way.

Back to the initial question: I do not see why GSW would do such a trade. Thompson was very important in their success these last two years; and esp. in the playoffs you could say he was better than Curry.

And if  the C's decided to trade both Nets picks (that's a big if), IMO our first choice will be a big who can play with Horford, not a guard since we already have plenty of them.

This is a trade idea coming out of nowhere.

Because those awards are voted on people that watch significantly more basketball then we do.  They know who had the better seasons and who the better players are.  Bradley finished 6th for DPOY and made the 1st Team All Defense.  You don't make those lists unless you are an elite defender.  Klay is not an elite defender.  He is a good defender, no question, but he isn't in Bradley's class on that end of the floor.  Klay, however is a much better offensive player and the better all around player than Bradley as a result.   

As for the MVP, Curry had by far the best season, which is what the MVP measures.  He deserved the MVP.  It isn't a best player award or James would have won something like 10 consecutive MVP's.

@Moranis thanks for the reply.

You have misunderstood my point.

So, to repeat, you cannot quantify these lists. They are not a measure of how much better a player is than some one else.

Let me put it  this way. Let's say someone made a list of the 10 users with the most posts in the forums. What will this list tell you? Who are the users with the most posts obviously.

Would it tell you how many more posts they have by comparison with other users? No.

Maybe nr 10 in the list has 11 posts per day, and nr 17 (who was left out) has 9.91. Or maybe nr 17 has 3 posts per day. This is a question with which the list is not concerned.

Similarly, an award just tells who is considered the best in a given category. It does not tell you by what margin.  Also, since you value the opinion of specialists/journalists, I'm sure you are aware Thompson has received praised by several journalists for his defense on the ball.

Here is what Lowe says about him:

There is some debate about how good Thompson really is on defense. Advanced numbers still paint him as mediocre, much worse than his growing reputation as a stopper. He's a below-average rebounder, he doesn't swipe steals and he can be a little foul-prone -- bad math that submarines some of his adjusted plus-minus numbers. He's a little spacey off the ball, which is why the Warriors prefer deploying him against lead ball handlers.

Thompson is indisputably great at that job, and his ability to do it against players of different sizes helps unlock the switching scheme that has drained all the pass-happy lifeblood from Cleveland's offense.

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-other-guy-klay-thompson-on-his-sensational-season/

Anyway, this is the page of bball-reference I have alluded to earlier, you can see for yourself that they are p close defensively by any number or metric you want to use. Since these metrics/stats incorporate the players whole trajectory until now, IMO they are as good as any award when comparing them.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=bradlav01&p2=thompkl01&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=

In short, the distinctions you mention are not enough to establish that Bradley is much better than Thompson at D. He had a better year last season, we agree on that. But that's all.

You know the gap is at least 13 players in the DPOY voting.  Now sure you can't quantify the gap really other than to say that Bradley is at least 13 players better than Thompson. 

Of course I've seen them both play and I can tell you the gap is fairly significant.  At least significant enough to be noticeable.  Avery Bradley is a better defender than Klay Thompson.  The eye test tells me this, but so do the awards and honors, and every advanced defensive statistic.  At some point, you can't just ignore the evidence even if your eyes lead you to a different conclusion (though I personally would really question your eyes if they tell you Thompson is a better defender than Bradley).

Well, I tried to explain my rationale in the most detailed way possible. But, you just ignored my points and here we come ending with a 'my opinion is better than your opinion and that's all there is' kind of reply.

Yes, 13 players but this includes all positions. Like DeAndre Jordan was in the team too..So, no he is not '13 players better' (for that one season)

May I also suggest you are exaggerating what these awards mean? For one thing they do not include playoff performance which is what really matters anyway, and for another you have to compare these players throughout their careers - not cherry pick the best season Bradley has had so far.

'All advanced defensive statistics' you say?  Like DWS, BLK%, and DRB%?

And ofc, your eyes are better than my eyes, this is the ultimate argument at any bball conversation.

You agreed Bradley was better at defense last year.  I'm not sure what you are arguing about when you actually agree that Bradley is a better defender than Thompson.

And win shares are about team victories, and last time I checked Bradley's 2.8 was better than Thompson's 2.6 despite the fact that Thompson's team won 25 more games than Bradley's team.  That shows a rather large gap.  Thompson is a better shot blocker and defensive rebounder, whoop te do, those are a very small part of defense, especially for a guard. 

Again you agree Bradley is a better defender than Thompson, so again I'm really confused what you are arguing. 

[greece66]

You agreed Bradley was better at defense last year.  I'm not sure what you are arguing about when you actually agree that Bradley is a better defender than Thompson.
And win shares are about team victories, and last time I checked Bradley's 2.8 was better than Thompson's 2.6 despite the fact that Thompson's team won 25 more games than Bradley's team.  That shows a rather large gap.  Thompson is a better shot blocker and defensive rebounder, whoop te do, those are a very small part of defense, especially for a guard. 

Again you agree Bradley is a better defender than Thompson, so again I'm really confused what you are arguing.

First, you replied to one of my messages, and now you admit you did not even bother reading the comment you quoted,  my previous comments, or for that matter, my answers to your comments.

I've seen you doing this to other commenters previously, so I cannot say I am surprised.

[Moranis]

You agreed Bradley was better at defense last year.  I'm not sure what you are arguing about when you actually agree that Bradley is a better defender than Thompson.
And win shares are about team victories, and last time I checked Bradley's 2.8 was better than Thompson's 2.6 despite the fact that Thompson's team won 25 more games than Bradley's team.  That shows a rather large gap.  Thompson is a better shot blocker and defensive rebounder, whoop te do, those are a very small part of defense, especially for a guard. 

Again you agree Bradley is a better defender than Thompson, so again I'm really confused what you are arguing.

First, you replied to one of my messages, and now you admit you did not even bother reading the comment you quoted,  my previous comments, or for that matter, my answers to your comments.

I've seen you doing this to other commenters previously, so I cannot say I am surprised.

I read all of the posts I responded to.  You are saying Bradley is a better defender than Thompson, you just don't think it is that much, of course you are arguing with people that say Bradley is a better defender than Thompson.  It doesn't make sense.