Better fit: Noel or Drummond

[LilRip]

So with the recent Noel tweet all but confirming him being traded to Boston ( ), for some reason, I got to wondering, how much better is Drummond than Noel? Or are the two nearly interchangeable since they seem to have similar skill sets (defensive monsters who can't shoot)? More importantly (I think), which player would be a better fit with our team?

Welcome to the offseason. 

[Csfan1984]

Cousins

[celticsclay]

Drummond is better at everything besides free throw shooting. Drummond averaged 16 points and 15 rebounds and just turned 23. I would be surprised if Noel ever averaged that in a season in his career.

[tarheelsxxiii]

Drummond is better at everything besides free throw shooting. Drummond averaged 16 points and 15 rebounds and just turned 23. I would be surprised if Noel ever averaged that in a season in his career.

/end thread

[jpotter33]

Drummond is better at everything besides free throw shooting. Drummond averaged 16 points and 15 rebounds and just turned 23. I would be surprised if Noel ever averaged that in a season in his career.

Not necessarily true.

With the contexts of both teams in perspective, it's hard to really compare the two via traditional stats. Drummond is excelling due to the 1 in, 4 out philosophy that SVG has mastered over the years, and that allows him A) much more space down low to operate, B) many more rebounds to gobble up down low, which has inflated his numbers a bit, especially his rebounding numbers. On the other hand, Noel played pretty much all of last year out of position at the PF spot next to Okafor. That both hurt his overall game and his rebounding numbers significantly, even though Noel is an elite rebounder himself. So going purely off of traditional statistics is flawed in this respect.

Further, even if his points and rebounds were better, though they were certainly skewed due to the system, outside of turnovers Noel is even or better than Drummond statistically across the board. He's a much better passer than Drummond with a higher BBIQ, and overall he's better defensively with better numbers in blocks, steals (and their respective percentages), and the fact that he's much more mobile and can actually switch off onto perimeter guys and be effective. In fact, the only thing that Drummond might be better defensively than Noel is low post defense against post-ups due primarily to his much bigger size.

So it's inaccurate to say he's better than Noel at everything outside of free throw shooting. I'd give Drummond the edge right now, but it's certainly a much closer comparison than you make it out to be. I bet Noel could average similar numbers in Detroit under SVG's system while making them a bit better and more mobile defensively.

[jpotter33]

I don't think either of them are perfectly ideal fits for us now that we have Horford (someone like Ibaka would be a great fit), but I'd go with Noel due to his competence from the line and his better mobility.

[SHAQATTACK]

Noel

But the old school fan in me wants Drummond and Mark Gasol

[Celtics4ever]

Not necessarily true.

Oh, Brother, it was certainly true.

ith the contexts of both teams in perspective, it's hard to really compare the two via traditional stats. Drummond is excelling due to the 1 in, 4 out philosophy that SVG has mastered over the years, and that allows him A) much more space down low to operate, B) many more rebounds to gobble up down low, which has inflated his numbers a bit, especially his rebounding numbers. On the other hand, Noel played pretty much all of last year out of position at the PF spot next to Okafor. That both hurt his overall game and his rebounding numbers significantly, even though Noel is an elite rebounder himself. So going purely off of traditional statistics is flawed in this respect.

Further, even if his points and rebounds were better, though they were certainly skewed due to the system, outside of turnovers Noel is even or better than Drummond statistically across the board. He's a much better passer than Drummond with a higher BBIQ, and overall he's better defensively with better numbers in blocks, steals (and their respective percentages), and the fact that he's much more mobile and can actually switch off onto perimeter guys and be effective. In fact, the only thing that Drummond might be better defensively than Noel is low post defense against post-ups due primarily to his much bigger size.

So it's inaccurate to say he's better than Noel at everything outside of free throw shooting. I'd give Drummond the edge right now, but it's certainly a much closer comparison than you make it out to be. I bet Noel could average similar numbers in Detroit under SVG's system while making them a bit better and more mobile defensively.

What are you Captain Literal?   This was load of BS.   100% of GMs and would take Drummond over Noel.  Is better at everything, not literally.   But look at this comparison.

http://www.landofbasketball.com/player_comparison/andre_drummond_vs_nerlens_noel.htm

One can see that Drummond is generally the superior player.

[Moranis]

Not necessarily true.

Oh, Brother, it was certainly true.

ith the contexts of both teams in perspective, it's hard to really compare the two via traditional stats. Drummond is excelling due to the 1 in, 4 out philosophy that SVG has mastered over the years, and that allows him A) much more space down low to operate, B) many more rebounds to gobble up down low, which has inflated his numbers a bit, especially his rebounding numbers. On the other hand, Noel played pretty much all of last year out of position at the PF spot next to Okafor. That both hurt his overall game and his rebounding numbers significantly, even though Noel is an elite rebounder himself. So going purely off of traditional statistics is flawed in this respect.

Further, even if his points and rebounds were better, though they were certainly skewed due to the system, outside of turnovers Noel is even or better than Drummond statistically across the board. He's a much better passer than Drummond with a higher BBIQ, and overall he's better defensively with better numbers in blocks, steals (and their respective percentages), and the fact that he's much more mobile and can actually switch off onto perimeter guys and be effective. In fact, the only thing that Drummond might be better defensively than Noel is low post defense against post-ups due primarily to his much bigger size.

So it's inaccurate to say he's better than Noel at everything outside of free throw shooting. I'd give Drummond the edge right now, but it's certainly a much closer comparison than you make it out to be. I bet Noel could average similar numbers in Detroit under SVG's system while making them a bit better and more mobile defensively.

What are you Captain Literal?   This was load of BS.   100% of GMs and would take Drummond over Noel.  Is better at everything, not literally.   But look at this comparison.

http://www.landofbasketball.com/player_comparison/andre_drummond_vs_nerlens_noel.htm

One can see that Drummond is generally the superior player.

your stats don't really show that Drummond is generally superior except in scoring and rebounding.  Nor did you respond to his fairly detailed analysis.

[kozlodoev]

So with the recent Noel tweet all but confirming him being traded to Boston ( ), for some reason, I got to wondering, how much better is Drummond than Noel? Or are the two nearly interchangeable since they seem to have similar skill sets (defensive monsters who can't shoot)? More importantly (I think), which player would be a better fit with our team?

Welcome to the offseason.

Better fit: Durant or Rudy Gay?

[Eddie20]

Drummond is better at everything besides free throw shooting. Drummond averaged 16 points and 15 rebounds and just turned 23. I would be surprised if Noel ever averaged that in a season in his career.

Not necessarily true.

With the contexts of both teams in perspective, it's hard to really compare the two via traditional stats. Drummond is excelling due to the 1 in, 4 out philosophy that SVG has mastered over the years, and that allows him A) much more space down low to operate, B) many more rebounds to gobble up down low, which has inflated his numbers a bit, especially his rebounding numbers. On the other hand, Noel played pretty much all of last year out of position at the PF spot next to Okafor. That both hurt his overall game and his rebounding numbers significantly, even though Noel is an elite rebounder himself. So going purely off of traditional statistics is flawed in this respect.

Did you forget that for 3 out of his 4 seasons (save for last year) Drummond played alongside Monroe? What did he average in those 3 seasons you ask?

Year 1 (rookie season, age 19, only 20 mpg)
7.9 ppg   7.6 rpg

Year 2
13.5 ppg   13.2 rpg

Year 3
13.8 ppg   13.5 rpg

[hwangjini_1]

Not necessarily true.

Oh, Brother, it was certainly true.

ith the contexts of both teams in perspective, it's hard to really compare the two via traditional stats. Drummond is excelling due to the 1 in, 4 out philosophy that SVG has mastered over the years, and that allows him A) much more space down low to operate, B) many more rebounds to gobble up down low, which has inflated his numbers a bit, especially his rebounding numbers. On the other hand, Noel played pretty much all of last year out of position at the PF spot next to Okafor. That both hurt his overall game and his rebounding numbers significantly, even though Noel is an elite rebounder himself. So going purely off of traditional statistics is flawed in this respect.

Further, even if his points and rebounds were better, though they were certainly skewed due to the system, outside of turnovers Noel is even or better than Drummond statistically across the board. He's a much better passer than Drummond with a higher BBIQ, and overall he's better defensively with better numbers in blocks, steals (and their respective percentages), and the fact that he's much more mobile and can actually switch off onto perimeter guys and be effective. In fact, the only thing that Drummond might be better defensively than Noel is low post defense against post-ups due primarily to his much bigger size.

So it's inaccurate to say he's better than Noel at everything outside of free throw shooting. I'd give Drummond the edge right now, but it's certainly a much closer comparison than you make it out to be. I bet Noel could average similar numbers in Detroit under SVG's system while making them a bit better and more mobile defensively.

What are you Captain Literal?   This was load of BS.   100% of GMs and would take Drummond over Noel.  Is better at everything, not literally.   But look at this comparison.

http://www.landofbasketball.com/player_comparison/andre_drummond_vs_nerlens_noel.htm

One can see that Drummond is generally the superior player.

your stats don't really show that Drummond is generally superior except in scoring and rebounding.  Nor did you respond to his fairly detailed analysis.

nor does he address the point made that drummond generally is better, but the gap is not that profound.

what would be interesting, were i not too busy and lazy, would be to compare drummonds first couple of years in the nba to noel's. that might, maybe show something.

[crimson_stallion]

So with the recent Noel tweet all but confirming him being traded to Boston ( ), for some reason, I got to wondering, how much better is Drummond than Noel? Or are the two nearly interchangeable since they seem to have similar skill sets (defensive monsters who can't shoot)? More importantly (I think), which player would be a better fit with our team?

Welcome to the offseason.

Noel has higher defensive upside IMHO, but Drummond is a better prospect due to him being a far superior rebounder and offensive player.

[Moranis]

Not necessarily true.

Oh, Brother, it was certainly true.

ith the contexts of both teams in perspective, it's hard to really compare the two via traditional stats. Drummond is excelling due to the 1 in, 4 out philosophy that SVG has mastered over the years, and that allows him A) much more space down low to operate, B) many more rebounds to gobble up down low, which has inflated his numbers a bit, especially his rebounding numbers. On the other hand, Noel played pretty much all of last year out of position at the PF spot next to Okafor. That both hurt his overall game and his rebounding numbers significantly, even though Noel is an elite rebounder himself. So going purely off of traditional statistics is flawed in this respect.

Further, even if his points and rebounds were better, though they were certainly skewed due to the system, outside of turnovers Noel is even or better than Drummond statistically across the board. He's a much better passer than Drummond with a higher BBIQ, and overall he's better defensively with better numbers in blocks, steals (and their respective percentages), and the fact that he's much more mobile and can actually switch off onto perimeter guys and be effective. In fact, the only thing that Drummond might be better defensively than Noel is low post defense against post-ups due primarily to his much bigger size.

So it's inaccurate to say he's better than Noel at everything outside of free throw shooting. I'd give Drummond the edge right now, but it's certainly a much closer comparison than you make it out to be. I bet Noel could average similar numbers in Detroit under SVG's system while making them a bit better and more mobile defensively.

What are you Captain Literal?   This was load of BS.   100% of GMs and would take Drummond over Noel.  Is better at everything, not literally.   But look at this comparison.

http://www.landofbasketball.com/player_comparison/andre_drummond_vs_nerlens_noel.htm

One can see that Drummond is generally the superior player.

your stats don't really show that Drummond is generally superior except in scoring and rebounding.  Nor did you respond to his fairly detailed analysis.

nor does he address the point made that drummond generally is better, but the gap is not that profound.

what would be interesting, were i not too busy and lazy, would be to compare drummonds first couple of years in the nba to noel's. that might, maybe show something.

it would still show Drummond is a better scorer and rebounder and a lesser passer, steal generator, and shot blocker.

[Bobshot]

Drummond is better at everything besides free throw shooting. Drummond averaged 16 points and 15 rebounds and just turned 23. I would be surprised if Noel ever averaged that in a season in his career.

Bill Russell and Shaq couldn't shoot FTs, either. Drummond is in good company.