More roster talk

[walker834]

NBA max roster size is 15 players under contract during the regular season. You can dress 13. PLayers under contract still count towards the roster even if they are in the d-league.  I think you can carry upwards of 20 players into preseason so we are fine for now.

isaiah
bradley
crowder
amir
horford

rozier
smart
brown
jerebko
KO
Zeller

jackson
hunter
green
mickey
--------------------------- 15 man limit

holland
bentil
young
nader

Yab and Zizic are stashed.   Nader I would like to keep.  Bentil and Holland will agree to play for the red claws hopefully, and not be under contract with us, unless a trade is going to happen before the start of the season. Weird we are still trying to sign Bentil to a contract supposedly.  If we sign Ray or anyone at this point a trade for sure is going to have to be made.  Has Zeller signed officially yet? If he has that's 15 players under contract.  I think everyone else's contract is official.

[walker834]

We can also cut players during preseason.  James Young is under contract I believe but can just be outright waived.   Same with Hunter and the other guys, but I tend to think the other guys that were signed are not going to be cut.

Can someone clarify how that works with rookie contracts. If we waive Young do we still have to pay his contract?  Are rookie contracts guaranteed like that?

[walker834]

Bentil was also signed I missed that, so we have 17 players under contract.  We would have to waive a couple guys to get down to 15.

So unless a trade is made we basically threw away a couple million dollars on a couple guys who aren't going to play for us. 

Unless we waive them they clear waivers and we still pay their salary and they are on the red claws?

So in essence we are paying them.  They just can't play for us this year. 

[saltlover]

I hate to interrupt your conversation with yourself  but Nader isn't signed and you should not expect that to occur.  He will either go abroad or to Maine for the season.

[Ilikesports17]

I hate to interrupt your conversation with yourself  but Nader isn't signed and you should not expect that to occur.  He will either go abroad or to Maine for the season.

That's not what I said at all.  I asked a question.  You're an idiot. Never said Nader was signed either.  Just said I'd like to keep him.

lol chill out.

[walker834]

I am chilled out.  That was just a stupid response and I said so.  Bentil last I had heard we were in the process of signing him.  Just looked it up and added that part because I wasn't aware he and Zeller had officially signed.  I'm still not sure if they were but seems like it.  I asked a question how waiving guaranteed contracts or rookie deals works.  Answering that question would have been good. We have more players under contract right now than we do roster spots heading into the regular season. No one has really clarified how that works.  We can make trades obviously but if we can't what happens there?

Just was trying to create more discussion in general and clarify some things..... Do we waive these players and still pay theme while they are under contact with the Red Claws as well if they clear waivers?  Is that how it works?

What if we want to then resign them to be on the active roster? Do they get their guaranteed money plus a new contract?

It's kind of confusing is all.  We have 17 players under contract.  Say we waive Bentil and Young and Bentil clears waivers.  Does he sign with the red claws while we are still paying him guaranteed money?  Is his contract even guaranteed or contingent on if he makes the roster?

2nd round picks usually don't get guaranteed deals but Jackson was signed to that I believe so now that is guaranteed.  Was Bentil's contract guaranteed?

[saltlover]

I am chilled out.  That was just a stupid response and I said so.  Bentil last I had heard we were in the process of signing him.  Just looked it up and added that part because I wasn't aware he and Zeller had officially signed.  I'm still not sure if they were but seems like it.  I asked a question how waiving guaranteed contracts or rookie deals works.  Answering that question would have been good. We have more players under contract right now than we do roster spots heading into the regular season. No one has really clarified how that works.  We can make trades obviously but if we can't what happens there?

Just was trying to create more discussion in general and clarify some things..... Do we waive these players and still pay theme while they are under contact with the Red Claws as well if they clear waivers?  Is that how it works?

What if we want to then resign them to be on the active roster? Do they get their guaranteed money plus a new contract?

It's kind of confusing is all.  We have 17 players under contract.  Say we waive Bentil and Young and Bentil clears waivers.  Does he sign with the red claws while we are still paying him guaranteed money?  Is his contract even guaranteed or contingent on if he makes the roster?

2nd round picks usually don't get guaranteed deals but Jackson was signed to that I believe so now that is guaranteed.  Was Bentil's contract guaranteed?

You do need to chill.  Your first post lists Nader and everyone else on the roster, while explicitly excluding Yab and Zizic, so I assumed you thought he was signed.  Sorry for trying to clarify, but keep having a discussion with yourself if you're going to call me an idiot.

[walker834]

James Young's contract is guaranteed  this year I think but not sure.  I don't need to chill out.  I'm just typing lol. It was a question I was asking because i'm not sure how that works.  I looked up certain things but there is no real concrete explanation on how that works.

I also didn't have nader listed as part of the 15.  He's listed at the bottom of players currently on our roster under the 15 man limit.

I'd like to keep him yes and not lose him to another team. Trades etc are a possibility but who knows right now what's going on there. 

[GetLucky]

James Young's contract is guaranteed  this year I think but not sure.  I don't need to chill out.  I'm just typing lol. It was a question I was asking because i'm not sure how that works.  I looked up certain things but there is no real concrete explanation on how that works.

I also didn't have nader listed as part of the 15.  He's listed at the bottom of players currently on our roster under the 15 man limit.

I'd like to keep him yes and not lose him to another team. Trades etc are a possibility but who knows right now what's going on there.

You listed Nader at the bottom with three players that are signed to contracts while excluding Yabusele and Zicic, who do not have contracts. I think it was fair to assume that you did not know Nader was unsigned, which is what saltlover did.

[walker834]

Assigning him to the Red Claws is fine.  We still have 17 players under contract as it stands though.  I'm guessing Nader has an agreement to play for the Red Claws. That is the assumption but hasn't been clarified.  That's why I listed him that way.  Yab and Zizic have already been stashed.

[walker834]

Young's contract is guaranteed for this year I think.  Bentil there has been no word if his deal is guaranteed or not. But that's 17 players under contract. I don't know what Holland's situation is.  Nader has no contract.

If we end up waiving young  and don't make any deals we pay him his million regardless I think.  He can clear waivers or sign with someone else.  Bentil we might waive and assign him.  Why did we sign him though?  I'm not sure how that would work is all.   Trades may be made etc..

[walker834]

I'm more just wondering if someone can clarify how that works no big deal.  do you?

I don't think it's the celtics intent to waive players under guaranteed contracts.  Some of them are so small by nba standards eating them is no big deal but that isn't the intent.  So trades are going to be made before the start of the season?  There are other ways to maneuver those deals I'm not aware of?

[Ilikesports17]

I'm more just wondering if someone can clarify how that works no big deal.  do you?

I don't think it's the celtics intent to waive players under guaranteed contracts.  Some of them are so small by nba standards eating them is no big deal but that isn't the intent.  So trades are going to be made before the start of the season?  There are other ways to maneuver those deals I'm not aware of?

What exactly is your question?

Yes, the Celtics have to pay guaranteed contracts.

[TheTruth34]

SL is one of the most respected posters on the CelticsBlog forums.  He's pretty much our resident capologist.  Far from an idiot.

A simple Google search on Ben Bentil reveals that he has a three year deal, only partially guaranteed in year one.

[walker834]

I'm more just wondering if someone can clarify how that works no big deal.  do you?

I don't think it's the celtics intent to waive players under guaranteed contracts.  Some of them are so small by nba standards eating them is no big deal but that isn't the intent.  So trades are going to be made before the start of the season?  There are other ways to maneuver those deals I'm not aware of?

What exactly is your question?

Yes, the Celtics have to pay guaranteed contracts.

That is my question.  It seems like Ainge just signed our first 2 second round picks and left nader off because  possibly there is some sort of other agreement there and he's trying to give the celtics as much firepower going into preseason and training camp.  But I don't think the celtics intent is to just eat those contracts.  I think they don't want to just lose some of these guys either and would rather have them playing in the d-league.  Just odd we signed Bentil though.  We are already over the limit regardless but even still.

If Bentil clears waivers and signs with the red claws, that means he gets the contract from us although he is no longer under contract from us in theory if it is guaranteed.  If he were to then resign with us how would that work?  He's gets his initial contract plus whatever he then signs for?

Is Bentil's contract guaranteed or does he have to make the roster?