Non-Reputable Rumor : Kenneth Faried to Boston

[saltlover]

Doesn't make sense for the Celtics. If we can't trade for a star we want to have cap space to sign one next year. Faried's salary would prevent that.

I agree with that but it would help our rebounding problem out, his contract is actually affordable now and I think him and Horford would work well together.  Would suck to miss out on a free agent next year though if Hayward or Blake wanted to play here.

the celtics ranked FIFTH in the nba last season is rebounds per game. which problem are you referring to please?

https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/total-rebounds-per-game

But if you look at rebounding percentage, which takes into account both pace and the fact that Celtics games featured a lot of missed shots from both teams, they are 18th.  They didn't get dominated on the boards (getting 49.4% of them), but it certainly wasn't a team strength, and there is certain room for improvement.

true. but i doubt CBS considers this to be as much a problems as an area for improvement.

CBS doesn't consider rebounding to be a problem because it isn't a problem at all.  There is basically no correlation between rebounding %'s and winning games in the NBA currently.  There are far more important things like defending FG attempts, help defense, spacing and shooting that actually are difference makers.  Kenneth Faried adds none of the above.  There is a 0% chance the Celtics should be interested in him or any other team for that matter, thus Denver wanting to unload him.

I think the "rebounding doesn't matter" argument has been taken a little too extreme at this point.  Of the 8 teams to win a playoff series last season, 7 of them were in the top 10 in rebounding pct for the season.  The four conference finalists were all in the top 8.  They matter.  They're not the be-all-and-end-all, but they do matter.

[LooseCannon]

Thoughts on this trade??? Makes the D of Faried, Crowder and Bradley very tough

Are you aware that Faried is considered to be a very poor defender?  Despite his reputation as an energy big, I think he is seen as a guy who has a combination of poor understanding and lack of consistent effort, including a tendency to give up on defense so that he can position himself for rebounds.

The article is written by a moron who thinks that Amir Johnson is a trade throw-in who isn't worth much.

[Moranis]

Doesn't make sense for the Celtics. If we can't trade for a star we want to have cap space to sign one next year. Faried's salary would prevent that.

I agree with that but it would help our rebounding problem out, his contract is actually affordable now and I think him and Horford would work well together.  Would suck to miss out on a free agent next year though if Hayward or Blake wanted to play here.

the celtics ranked FIFTH in the nba last season is rebounds per game. which problem are you referring to please?

https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/total-rebounds-per-game

But if you look at rebounding percentage, which takes into account both pace and the fact that Celtics games featured a lot of missed shots from both teams, they are 18th.  They didn't get dominated on the boards (getting 49.4% of them), but it certainly wasn't a team strength, and there is certain room for improvement.

true. but i doubt CBS considers this to be as much a problems as an area for improvement.

CBS doesn't consider rebounding to be a problem because it isn't a problem at all.  There is basically no correlation between rebounding %'s and winning games in the NBA currently.  There are far more important things like defending FG attempts, help defense, spacing and shooting that actually are difference makers.  Kenneth Faried adds none of the above.  There is a 0% chance the Celtics should be interested in him or any other team for that matter, thus Denver wanting to unload him.

I think the "rebounding doesn't matter" argument has been taken a little too extreme at this point.  Of the 8 teams to win a playoff series last season, 7 of them were in the top 10 in rebounding pct for the season.  The four conference finalists were all in the top 8.  They matter.  They're not the be-all-and-end-all, but they do matter.

Of course rebounding matters, it allows for additional offensive possessions for you and cuts off offensive possessions for the other team.  Only a team that isn't very good at rebounding would say it doesn't matter.  Now sure there are other aspects of the game that matter more to winning than rebounding, but if you can't rebound you put yourself at a disadvantage.

[iadera]

If all it takes for Faried is Olynyk, sign me up.

Me to.

[D Dub]

I'd rather have Amir than Faried, honestly.  While most would disagree, I think you can even make the argument that Jerebko would be a more effective player in our system.  He can switch, hit 3's --- things that Faried can't do.  The one thing KF can do, rebound, has already been mitigated by adding Horford.

It seems to me, that if Denver wants a deal around that kind of structure, they should be the ones sweetening the pot with picks/prospects.

[Moranis]

Ko for Faried? No way. I still think KO will be a sixth man candidate . Bright future.

You don't need to worry about that.  The salaries don't come close to working, so it would have to be Amir that the Celtics would trade, not Olynyk.  It's almost certainly not happening in either case, but definitely not with KO.

Sure but if Zeller isn't signed yet, you just include him to get the dollars to work. 

[loco_91]

I will never click on a Sportsrageous link. It isn't just disreputable--it's dishonest. They were reporting that JR Smith was coming to Boston too. I didn't click on that article either.

[TomHeinsohn]

Is there anybody else out there we can get who can't shoot?

[saltlover]

Ko for Faried? No way. I still think KO will be a sixth man candidate . Bright future.

You don't need to worry about that.  The salaries don't come close to working, so it would have to be Amir that the Celtics would trade, not Olynyk.  It's almost certainly not happening in either case, but definitely not with KO.

Sure but if Zeller isn't signed yet, you just include him to get the dollars to work.

Firstly, Zeller was signed officially last week, and cannot be traded until Jan 15th.  So that ship has sailed.  Secondly, due to the base-year compensation rule, Zeller would have only counted as $4 million in outgoing salary, and so he, plus Olynyk and even John Holland couldn't have matched Faried.

[Eddie20]

To Nuggets:  Amir, Rozier, Young, Bentil , 2 future 2nds (high picks)
To Celtics:  Faried, Hernangomez, Josh Adams (waive), Taupane (waive)

Celtics lineup

Horford
Faried
Crowder
AB
IT

KO/Hernangomez
Jerebko/Mickey
Brown
Green/Hunter
Smart/Jackson

Mickey still our 5th/6th big? I thought you said this year would be his breakout season.

[The Oracle]

Doesn't make sense for the Celtics. If we can't trade for a star we want to have cap space to sign one next year. Faried's salary would prevent that.

I agree with that but it would help our rebounding problem out, his contract is actually affordable now and I think him and Horford would work well together.  Would suck to miss out on a free agent next year though if Hayward or Blake wanted to play here.

the celtics ranked FIFTH in the nba last season is rebounds per game. which problem are you referring to please?

https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/total-rebounds-per-game

But if you look at rebounding percentage, which takes into account both pace and the fact that Celtics games featured a lot of missed shots from both teams, they are 18th.  They didn't get dominated on the boards (getting 49.4% of them), but it certainly wasn't a team strength, and there is certain room for improvement.

true. but i doubt CBS considers this to be as much a problems as an area for improvement.

CBS doesn't consider rebounding to be a problem because it isn't a problem at all.  There is basically no correlation between rebounding %'s and winning games in the NBA currently.  There are far more important things like defending FG attempts, help defense, spacing and shooting that actually are difference makers.  Kenneth Faried adds none of the above.  There is a 0% chance the Celtics should be interested in him or any other team for that matter, thus Denver wanting to unload him.

I think the "rebounding doesn't matter" argument has been taken a little too extreme at this point.  Of the 8 teams to win a playoff series last season, 7 of them were in the top 10 in rebounding pct for the season.  The four conference finalists were all in the top 8.  They matter.  They're not the be-all-and-end-all, but they do matter.

No this is just people not understanding what they are looking at.  Rebounding % is a misleading statistic.  Really good teams miss fewer shots than their opponents affording them more defensive rebounding opportunities than their opponents which in turn skews Reb. %.

S.A. 3rd in DREB% in 2015, Cle. 5th, Tor. 8th, G.S., Ind. and O.K.C. finished tied 15th, Bos. and Atl. tied 25th, L.A.C. 28th.

O.K.C. 1st OREB%, Bos. and Cle. 9th tie, Tor. 12th, G.S. 19th, S.A. 23rd, L.A.C. 28th, Atl. 30th

G.S. has a reb.% of 51.3% for 2015 ranking them 8th overall.  This leads you to believe that they out rebounded their opponents when they actually didn't.  G.S. had an OREB% of 23.5%, their Opponents 24%.  G.S. had a DREB% of 76% their Opponents 76.5%. 

[Moranis]

Ko for Faried? No way. I still think KO will be a sixth man candidate . Bright future.

You don't need to worry about that.  The salaries don't come close to working, so it would have to be Amir that the Celtics would trade, not Olynyk.  It's almost certainly not happening in either case, but definitely not with KO.

Sure but if Zeller isn't signed yet, you just include him to get the dollars to work.

Firstly, Zeller was signed officially last week, and cannot be traded until Jan 15th.  So that ship has sailed.  Secondly, due to the base-year compensation rule, Zeller would have only counted as $4 million in outgoing salary, and so he, plus Olynyk and even John Holland couldn't have matched Faried.

ah I missed that signing.  Doesn't have to be Amir though, could be Jerekbo who with Brown on board and Faried coming over probably wouldn't be in the rotation.  Jerekbo and Olynyk for Faried works.  If Boston also got Harris then you include Hunter or Young (Barton would require both Hunter and Young).  I personally think Barton would make more sense given the roster after the trade, though Harris makes some sense as well.  Now that trade would take away some shooting from the 4 spot, but would help with the rebounding deficiencies.  I guess it would just be about preference.

So Faried and Barton for Jerekbo, Olynyk,, Young and Hunter

Leaves Boston

PG - Thomas, Rozier, Jackson
SG - Bradley, Smart, Green
SF - Crowder, Brown, Barton
PF - Johnson, Faried, Mickey, Bentil
C - Horford, Zeller

Ideally Boston makes one more move to acquire another big to keep Zeller out of the rotation (I'm assuming Jackson, Mickey, and Bentil would be in the DLeague).  Maybe revisit the Okafor trade centered around Rozier or Smart (I think Rozier would require more additional assets).  Say it is just Smart for Okafor straight up.  That would make for a nice 12 man rotation.

[Moranis]

Doesn't make sense for the Celtics. If we can't trade for a star we want to have cap space to sign one next year. Faried's salary would prevent that.

I agree with that but it would help our rebounding problem out, his contract is actually affordable now and I think him and Horford would work well together.  Would suck to miss out on a free agent next year though if Hayward or Blake wanted to play here.

the celtics ranked FIFTH in the nba last season is rebounds per game. which problem are you referring to please?

https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/total-rebounds-per-game

But if you look at rebounding percentage, which takes into account both pace and the fact that Celtics games featured a lot of missed shots from both teams, they are 18th.  They didn't get dominated on the boards (getting 49.4% of them), but it certainly wasn't a team strength, and there is certain room for improvement.

true. but i doubt CBS considers this to be as much a problems as an area for improvement.

CBS doesn't consider rebounding to be a problem because it isn't a problem at all.  There is basically no correlation between rebounding %'s and winning games in the NBA currently.  There are far more important things like defending FG attempts, help defense, spacing and shooting that actually are difference makers.  Kenneth Faried adds none of the above.  There is a 0% chance the Celtics should be interested in him or any other team for that matter, thus Denver wanting to unload him.

I think the "rebounding doesn't matter" argument has been taken a little too extreme at this point.  Of the 8 teams to win a playoff series last season, 7 of them were in the top 10 in rebounding pct for the season.  The four conference finalists were all in the top 8.  They matter.  They're not the be-all-and-end-all, but they do matter.

No this is just people not understanding what they are looking at.  Rebounding % is a misleading statistic.  Really good teams miss fewer shots than their opponents affording them more defensive rebounding opportunities than their opponents which in turn skews Reb. %.

S.A. 3rd in DREB% in 2015, Cle. 5th, Tor. 8th, G.S., Ind. and O.K.C. finished tied 15th, Bos. and Atl. tied 25th, L.A.C. 28th.

O.K.C. 1st OREB%, Bos. and Cle. 9th tie, Tor. 12th, G.S. 19th, S.A. 23rd, L.A.C. 28th, Atl. 30th

G.S. has a reb.% of 51.3% for 2015 ranking them 8th overall.  This leads you to believe that they out rebounded their opponents when they actually didn't.  G.S. had an OREB% of 23.5%, their Opponents 24%.  G.S. had a DREB% of 76% their Opponents 76.5%.

Golden State did outrebound their opponents by 2.3 rpg. 

[Ilikesports17]

Doesn't make sense for the Celtics. If we can't trade for a star we want to have cap space to sign one next year. Faried's salary would prevent that.

I agree with that but it would help our rebounding problem out, his contract is actually affordable now and I think him and Horford would work well together.  Would suck to miss out on a free agent next year though if Hayward or Blake wanted to play here.

the celtics ranked FIFTH in the nba last season is rebounds per game. which problem are you referring to please?

https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/total-rebounds-per-game

But if you look at rebounding percentage, which takes into account both pace and the fact that Celtics games featured a lot of missed shots from both teams, they are 18th.  They didn't get dominated on the boards (getting 49.4% of them), but it certainly wasn't a team strength, and there is certain room for improvement.

true. but i doubt CBS considers this to be as much a problems as an area for improvement.

CBS doesn't consider rebounding to be a problem because it isn't a problem at all.  There is basically no correlation between rebounding %'s and winning games in the NBA currently.  There are far more important things like defending FG attempts, help defense, spacing and shooting that actually are difference makers.  Kenneth Faried adds none of the above.  There is a 0% chance the Celtics should be interested in him or any other team for that matter, thus Denver wanting to unload him.

I think the "rebounding doesn't matter" argument has been taken a little too extreme at this point.  Of the 8 teams to win a playoff series last season, 7 of them were in the top 10 in rebounding pct for the season.  The four conference finalists were all in the top 8.  They matter.  They're not the be-all-and-end-all, but they do matter.

No this is just people not understanding what they are looking at.  Rebounding % is a misleading statistic.  Really good teams miss fewer shots than their opponents affording them more defensive rebounding opportunities than their opponents which in turn skews Reb. %.

S.A. 3rd in DREB% in 2015, Cle. 5th, Tor. 8th, G.S., Ind. and O.K.C. finished tied 15th, Bos. and Atl. tied 25th, L.A.C. 28th.

O.K.C. 1st OREB%, Bos. and Cle. 9th tie, Tor. 12th, G.S. 19th, S.A. 23rd, L.A.C. 28th, Atl. 30th

G.S. has a reb.% of 51.3% for 2015 ranking them 8th overall.  This leads you to believe that they out rebounded their opponents when they actually didn't.  G.S. had an OREB% of 23.5%, their Opponents 24%.  G.S. had a DREB% of 76% their Opponents 76.5%.

Golden State did outrebound their opponents by 2.3 rpg.

yeah but the point is that they werent as good at rebounding as their opponents. Its easier to get defensive rebounds than offensive and Golden State led the league in fg% so there are less defenesive rebounding opportunities for their opponents.

[The Oracle]

Doesn't make sense for the Celtics. If we can't trade for a star we want to have cap space to sign one next year. Faried's salary would prevent that.

I agree with that but it would help our rebounding problem out, his contract is actually affordable now and I think him and Horford would work well together.  Would suck to miss out on a free agent next year though if Hayward or Blake wanted to play here.

the celtics ranked FIFTH in the nba last season is rebounds per game. which problem are you referring to please?

https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/total-rebounds-per-game

But if you look at rebounding percentage, which takes into account both pace and the fact that Celtics games featured a lot of missed shots from both teams, they are 18th.  They didn't get dominated on the boards (getting 49.4% of them), but it certainly wasn't a team strength, and there is certain room for improvement.

true. but i doubt CBS considers this to be as much a problems as an area for improvement.

CBS doesn't consider rebounding to be a problem because it isn't a problem at all.  There is basically no correlation between rebounding %'s and winning games in the NBA currently.  There are far more important things like defending FG attempts, help defense, spacing and shooting that actually are difference makers.  Kenneth Faried adds none of the above.  There is a 0% chance the Celtics should be interested in him or any other team for that matter, thus Denver wanting to unload him.

I think the "rebounding doesn't matter" argument has been taken a little too extreme at this point.  Of the 8 teams to win a playoff series last season, 7 of them were in the top 10 in rebounding pct for the season.  The four conference finalists were all in the top 8.  They matter.  They're not the be-all-and-end-all, but they do matter.

No this is just people not understanding what they are looking at.  Rebounding % is a misleading statistic.  Really good teams miss fewer shots than their opponents affording them more defensive rebounding opportunities than their opponents which in turn skews Reb. %.

S.A. 3rd in DREB% in 2015, Cle. 5th, Tor. 8th, G.S., Ind. and O.K.C. finished tied 15th, Bos. and Atl. tied 25th, L.A.C. 28th.

O.K.C. 1st OREB%, Bos. and Cle. 9th tie, Tor. 12th, G.S. 19th, S.A. 23rd, L.A.C. 28th, Atl. 30th

G.S. has a reb.% of 51.3% for 2015 ranking them 8th overall.  This leads you to believe that they out rebounded their opponents when they actually didn't.  G.S. had an OREB% of 23.5%, their Opponents 24%.  G.S. had a DREB% of 76% their Opponents 76.5%.

Golden State did outrebound their opponents by 2.3 rpg. 

OF COURSE they did they missed 472 fewer shots than their opponents did.  Do you get it now.