Jaylen Brown Full Summer League highlights. This kid is only 19 years old.

[LarBrd33]

He wasn't one of the 10 best rookies in Summer league, but I don't think it matters.  He's young and has the tools.  He can develop into a really good player in a few years.

Were there really 10 other rookies who you thought were better than Jaylen in summer league?

Statistically, there were 10 other rookies who outperformed Jaylen in Summer league.   I showed it in the Summer league thread.   Jaylen was the 64th best player in Summer League this year.  His poor shooting was a main culprit. 

But fwiw, Brandon Ingram was 104th and Ben Simmons basically tied with Brown in EFF.

Imo more about "impact" vs overall stats

Example jamal murray scored 29 yesterday, yet was not solid on the defensive end.

Brown has been solid on both ends (not considering games he couldnt do alot due to injury).  Also consider browns ability to rack up the opposing team foul totals. This will be an important tool at the nba level

Here you go:  http://publish.smartsheet.com/82ef118d828045a1817ce44456b313dd

He and Simmons tied for 15th/16th amongst rookies (and 64th/65th amongst all Summer League participants).

Part of the problem is that Brown shot 32% ... that was 40th amongst rookies.  That kind of thing can't be ignored.  It's a negative impact on the team if a guy shoots atrociously. 

But I agree you can for the most part overlook it when considering Brown's future.  Hopefully, he eventually learns how to shoot and finish consistently.  It might take him 3-5 years, but I have hope he'll get there.   This year, I'd be surprised to see him doing much offensively for our team.  His performance was worse than Smart's rookie performance.

forget about stats (like fg per) and like I said look at the bigger picture/impact

if Brown goes 2-7 but goes to the FT line 17 times. What does this show?

If you get fouled taking a shot, it doesn't count as a missed field goal.  So it shows he missed 5 of his 7 shots he wasn't fouled on.  It shows he shot under 30% for that game and probably needs better shot selection until he's capable of making shots consistently.

That's only partly what it shows.  It also shows that Jaylen Brown looks like he is very good at getting in the lane and drawing contact.  This will help his scoring efficiency, despite not shooting well from the floor. 

Some of the league's best scorers--Lebron James, Russell Westbrook, Dwayne Wade, Derrick Rose . . . --have managed to be elite NBA scorers without ever being great perimeter shooters.  It's obviously way too premature to compare Jaylen Brown to any of the guys on the above list, but he does share some offensive qualities like superior strength and athleticism and an ability to bull his way to the rim.  Hopefully, Jaylen continues to improve his overall game. 

His upside appears to be very high.

Exactly

Brown also shot the 3 at a decent rate. Better than I'm sure many expected.  As long as he can make the open 3s , teams won't be able to back away completely to anticipate the drive

I'm not willing to call .227 a "decent rate."

Yeah. 

Brown was exactly as advertised.  Athletic, explosive, can create space and get to the line - but can't finish or shoot.

But really, he SHOULD be exactly as advertised.  Why would he be significantly better than he was a few months ago while playing College ball? 

What's unknown is how he'll develop after a full year of being surrounded by quality NBA talent, great coaching, and practicing against some aggressive NBA defenders like Crowder.   We aren't going to see those results for a while. 

[footey]

He wasn't one of the 10 best rookies in Summer league, but I don't think it matters.  He's young and has the tools.  He can develop into a really good player in a few years.

Were there really 10 other rookies who you thought were better than Jaylen in summer league?

Statistically, there were 10 other rookies who outperformed Jaylen in Summer league.   I showed it in the Summer league thread.   Jaylen was the 64th best player in Summer League this year.  His poor shooting was a main culprit. 

But fwiw, Brandon Ingram was 104th and Ben Simmons basically tied with Brown in EFF.

Imo more about "impact" vs overall stats

Example jamal murray scored 29 yesterday, yet was not solid on the defensive end.

Brown has been solid on both ends (not considering games he couldnt do alot due to injury).  Also consider browns ability to rack up the opposing team foul totals. This will be an important tool at the nba level

Here you go:  http://publish.smartsheet.com/82ef118d828045a1817ce44456b313dd

He and Simmons tied for 15th/16th amongst rookies (and 64th/65th amongst all Summer League participants).

Part of the problem is that Brown shot 32% ... that was 40th amongst rookies.  That kind of thing can't be ignored.  It's a negative impact on the team if a guy shoots atrociously. 

But I agree you can for the most part overlook it when considering Brown's future.  Hopefully, he eventually learns how to shoot and finish consistently.  It might take him 3-5 years, but I have hope he'll get there.   This year, I'd be surprised to see him doing much offensively for our team.  His performance was worse than Smart's rookie performance.

forget about stats (like fg per) and like I said look at the bigger picture/impact

if Brown goes 2-7 but goes to the FT line 17 times. What does this show?

If you get fouled taking a shot, it doesn't count as a missed field goal.  So it shows he missed 5 of his 7 shots he wasn't fouled on.  It shows he shot under 30% for that game and probably needs better shot selection until he's capable of making shots consistently.

That's only partly what it shows.  It also shows that Jaylen Brown looks like he is very good at getting in the lane and drawing contact.  This will help his scoring efficiency, despite not shooting well from the floor. 

Some of the league's best scorers--Lebron James, Russell Westbrook, Dwayne Wade, Derrick Rose . . . --have managed to be elite NBA scorers without ever being great perimeter shooters.  It's obviously way too premature to compare Jaylen Brown to any of the guys on the above list, but he does share some offensive qualities like superior strength and athleticism and an ability to bull his way to the rim.  Hopefully, Jaylen continues to improve his overall game. 

His upside appears to be very high.

Exactly

Brown also shot the 3 at a decent rate. Better than I'm sure many expected.  As long as he can make the open 3s , teams won't be able to back away completely to anticipate the drive

I'm not willing to call .227 a "decent rate."

Yeah. 

Brown was exactly as advertised.  Athletic, explosive, can create space and get to the line - but can't finish or shoot.

But really, he SHOULD be exactly as advertised.  Why would he be significantly better than he was a few months ago while playing College ball? 

What's unknown is how he'll develop after a full year of being surrounded by quality NBA talent, great coaching, and practicing against some aggressive NBA defenders like Crowder.   We aren't going to see those results for a while.

Honestly, LarBird33, you need to chill out a little and enjoy the moment.  Dude is a gonna be a stud.  Put down your stats for the night and cherish it.

[Beat LA]

Ahahaha, when you take all but two or three fouls out of the 'highlight reel' in the op, you're left with only 3:31 of actual baskets, lol . Ugh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOnt7TfPzEY

[Monkhouse]

Just saying if Isiah Thomas seems so dead set, and so confident about Jaylen Brown's potential, then I'm excited too. I know he has been a terrible GM, but at the end of the day, Isiah Thomas is still one of the most prolific scorers in NBA playoff history. Game recognize game.

This video still gives me chills. It always makes me question why Isiah Thomas was never heralded or became a better coach or GM.

"But they say the knock is on you, Jaylen Brown? Everybody questioning- they wondering about your jumpshot? OH! That's three in a row? He might be getting on fire! OH OH OH! When you shoot it? You- You- You see how that ball roll back to you, after you shoot it? That's how you know you shot it good, just like a puppy, *kissing sounds*, like come here girl!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3qnvrAwIL8

[loco_91]

He wasn't one of the 10 best rookies in Summer league, but I don't think it matters.  He's young and has the tools.  He can develop into a really good player in a few years.

Were there really 10 other rookies who you thought were better than Jaylen in summer league?

Statistically, there were 10 other rookies who outperformed Jaylen in Summer league.   I showed it in the Summer league thread.   Jaylen was the 64th best player in Summer League this year.  His poor shooting was a main culprit. 

But fwiw, Brandon Ingram was 104th and Ben Simmons basically tied with Brown in EFF.

Imo more about "impact" vs overall stats

Example jamal murray scored 29 yesterday, yet was not solid on the defensive end.

Brown has been solid on both ends (not considering games he couldnt do alot due to injury).  Also consider browns ability to rack up the opposing team foul totals. This will be an important tool at the nba level

Here you go:  http://publish.smartsheet.com/82ef118d828045a1817ce44456b313dd

He and Simmons tied for 15th/16th amongst rookies (and 64th/65th amongst all Summer League participants).

Part of the problem is that Brown shot 32% ... that was 40th amongst rookies.  That kind of thing can't be ignored.  It's a negative impact on the team if a guy shoots atrociously. 

But I agree you can for the most part overlook it when considering Brown's future.  Hopefully, he eventually learns how to shoot and finish consistently.  It might take him 3-5 years, but I have hope he'll get there.   This year, I'd be surprised to see him doing much offensively for our team.  His performance was worse than Smart's rookie performance.

forget about stats (like fg per) and like I said look at the bigger picture/impact

if Brown goes 2-7 but goes to the FT line 17 times. What does this show?

If you get fouled taking a shot, it doesn't count as a missed field goal.  So it shows he missed 5 of his 7 shots he wasn't fouled on.  It shows he shot under 30% for that game and probably needs better shot selection until he's capable of making shots consistently.

That's only partly what it shows.  It also shows that Jaylen Brown looks like he is very good at getting in the lane and drawing contact.  This will help his scoring efficiency, despite not shooting well from the floor. 

Some of the league's best scorers--Lebron James, Russell Westbrook, Dwayne Wade, Derrick Rose . . . --have managed to be elite NBA scorers without ever being great perimeter shooters.  It's obviously way too premature to compare Jaylen Brown to any of the guys on the above list, but he does share some offensive qualities like superior strength and athleticism and an ability to bull his way to the rim.  Hopefully, Jaylen continues to improve his overall game. 

His upside appears to be very high.

Exactly

Brown also shot the 3 at a decent rate. Better than I'm sure many expected.  As long as he can make the open 3s , teams won't be able to back away completely to anticipate the drive

I'm not willing to call .227 a "decent rate."

Yeah. 

Brown was exactly as advertised.  Athletic, explosive, can create space and get to the line - but can't finish or shoot.

But really, he SHOULD be exactly as advertised.  Why would he be significantly better than he was a few months ago while playing College ball? 

What's unknown is how he'll develop after a full year of being surrounded by quality NBA talent, great coaching, and practicing against some aggressive NBA defenders like Crowder.   We aren't going to see those results for a while.

Honestly, LarBird33, you need to chill out a little and enjoy the moment.  Dude is a gonna be a stud.  Put down your stats for the night and cherish it.

From what I watched (3 halves of games), Brown was significantly better than his offensive stats indicated.  He was tasked to create a LOT of his own offense, and honestly it could have gone a lot worse. He got to the line really consistently, and I thought he should've gotten even more calls than he did. If you look only at FG% without factoring in his FTr, you'll get totally the wrong impression. And then on defense he looked really great - significantly better than I expected, and the steal numbers (which are extremely predictive of NBA success btw) back up the eye test.

It's also not clear what impact his knee injury had, but it probably isn't a coincidence that his two worst games by far were right after he came back.

Overall, I would say that Jaylen was MUCH better than he was in college. He looked the part of a #3 pick. I didn't like the pick initially but now I'm way more optimistic.

[CoachBo]

Just saying if Isiah Thomas seems so dead set, and so confident about Jaylen Brown's potential, then I'm excited too. I know he has been a terrible GM, but at the end of the day, Isiah Thomas is still one of the most prolific scorers in NBA playoff history. Game recognize game.

This video still gives me chills. It always makes me question why Isiah Thomas was never heralded or became a better coach or GM.

"But they say the knock is on you, Jaylen Brown? Everybody questioning- they wondering about your jumpshot? OH! That's three in a row? He might be getting on fire! OH OH OH! When you shoot it? You- You- You see how that ball roll back to you, after you shoot it? That's how you know you shot it good, just like a puppy, *kissing sounds*, like come here girl!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3qnvrAwIL8

Yeah, Isaiah was such a success as an NBA GM.

What he thinks about anything on the floor doesn't interest me in the slightest. He's clueless.

[SHAQATTACK]

I didn't LOVE the pick, but was content with it, but now I think we may have low key drafted the real successor to Paul Pierce. Obviously he's still raw and will not look great by any means in his first year, but once he gets used to playing in the NBA and tweaks his game a little bit....dang.

Well said ....my feelings now too ..TP

[manl_lui]

Just saying if Isiah Thomas seems so dead set, and so confident about Jaylen Brown's potential, then I'm excited too. I know he has been a terrible GM, but at the end of the day, Isiah Thomas is still one of the most prolific scorers in NBA playoff history. Game recognize game.

This video still gives me chills. It always makes me question why Isiah Thomas was never heralded or became a better coach or GM.

"But they say the knock is on you, Jaylen Brown? Everybody questioning- they wondering about your jumpshot? OH! That's three in a row? He might be getting on fire! OH OH OH! When you shoot it? You- You- You see how that ball roll back to you, after you shoot it? That's how you know you shot it good, just like a puppy, *kissing sounds*, like come here girl!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3qnvrAwIL8

Thomas seems to be a good drafter but bad GM is what I heard. But I agree, game recognize game. Can't wait to see him play in the season

[Ilikesports17]

Just saying if Isiah Thomas seems so dead set, and so confident about Jaylen Brown's potential, then I'm excited too. I know he has been a terrible GM, but at the end of the day, Isiah Thomas is still one of the most prolific scorers in NBA playoff history. Game recognize game.

This video still gives me chills. It always makes me question why Isiah Thomas was never heralded or became a better coach or GM.

"But they say the knock is on you, Jaylen Brown? Everybody questioning- they wondering about your jumpshot? OH! That's three in a row? He might be getting on fire! OH OH OH! When you shoot it? You- You- You see how that ball roll back to you, after you shoot it? That's how you know you shot it good, just like a puppy, *kissing sounds*, like come here girl!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3qnvrAwIL8

Yeah, Isaiah was such a success as an NBA GM.

What he thinks about anything on the floor doesn't interest me in the slightest. He's clueless.

That was my initial reaction, but Isiah Thomas actually was a very good drafter. I wouldnt read into what he says about Brown because he obviously is gonna try to pump him up, but Isiah Thomas is still a good talent evaluator.

[libermaniac]

I'd like to see his FG% broken down by zone. In the first few games after his injury he had a huge number of missed FGs on drives in the lane. He seemed to figure that out and convert at a better rate in his last several games. By stats you'd conclude he's a bad shooter like Marcus Smart but I don't see it. I think his form is fine and he'll be a fine shooter in a few years. Smart on the other hand has ugly mechanics and IMO will never be a good shooter.

[MaxAMillion]

Just saying if Isiah Thomas seems so dead set, and so confident about Jaylen Brown's potential, then I'm excited too. I know he has been a terrible GM, but at the end of the day, Isiah Thomas is still one of the most prolific scorers in NBA playoff history. Game recognize game.

This video still gives me chills. It always makes me question why Isiah Thomas was never heralded or became a better coach or GM.

"But they say the knock is on you, Jaylen Brown? Everybody questioning- they wondering about your jumpshot? OH! That's three in a row? He might be getting on fire! OH OH OH! When you shoot it? You- You- You see how that ball roll back to you, after you shoot it? That's how you know you shot it good, just like a puppy, *kissing sounds*, like come here girl!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3qnvrAwIL8

Yeah, Isaiah was such a success as an NBA GM.

What he thinks about anything on the floor doesn't interest me in the slightest. He's clueless.

Can you imagine...a horror show GM like Thomas is being used as evidence that Brown was a good pick. I bet if Thomas had said he was not impressed, that would have been used as proof that Brown will be a great NBA player.

[Ogaju]

one thing that should be factored in here is that in an NBA game 17 fouls is sending a lot of players to the bench and that will open up more scoring opportunity for the player because you are bringing in lesser talent to play him. In the SL fouls don't send anyone to the bench because they are allowed 10 fouls each.

[loco_91]

one thing that should be factored in here is that in an NBA game 17 fouls is sending a lot of players to the bench and that will open up more scoring opportunity for the player because you are bringing in lesser talent to play him. In the SL fouls don't send anyone to the bench because they are allowed 10 fouls each.

Though to be fair, the guys that were guarding him in SL *were* the lesser talent

[BitterJim]

Just saying if Isiah Thomas seems so dead set, and so confident about Jaylen Brown's potential, then I'm excited too. I know he has been a terrible GM, but at the end of the day, Isiah Thomas is still one of the most prolific scorers in NBA playoff history. Game recognize game.

This video still gives me chills. It always makes me question why Isiah Thomas was never heralded or became a better coach or GM.

"But they say the knock is on you, Jaylen Brown? Everybody questioning- they wondering about your jumpshot? OH! That's three in a row? He might be getting on fire! OH OH OH! When you shoot it? You- You- You see how that ball roll back to you, after you shoot it? That's how you know you shot it good, just like a puppy, *kissing sounds*, like come here girl!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3qnvrAwIL8

Yeah, Isaiah was such a success as an NBA GM.

What he thinks about anything on the floor doesn't interest me in the slightest. He's clueless.

Someone can be a good talent evaluator/drafter without being a good GM, just as someone can be a good GM despite not being a good talent evaluator/drafter

[TheSlipperyWhistle]

I loved the pick to start, I love the pick now. I would have been happy with Dunn as well, but at least brown doesn't make our guard glut worse. Plus we got no workout or medicals on Dunn, I said  8 months before the draft that if Brown was on the board when Ainge got to picking, that's his man. If we had taken Dunn, a trade was imminent. I think they both have about the same level of NBA success. Brown just fit our needs more at this time.