Jaylen Brown Full Summer League highlights. This kid is only 19 years old.

[Ilikesports17]

He wasn't one of the 10 best rookies in Summer league, but I don't think it matters.  He's young and has the tools.  He can develop into a really good player in a few years.

Were there really 10 other rookies who you thought were better than Jaylen in summer league?

Statistically, there were 10 other rookies who outperformed Jaylen in Summer league.   I showed it in the Summer league thread.   Jaylen was the 64th best player in Summer League this year.  His poor shooting was a main culprit. 

But fwiw, Brandon Ingram was 104th and Ben Simmons basically tied with Brown in EFF.

Imo more about "impact" vs overall stats

Example jamal murray scored 29 yesterday, yet was not solid on the defensive end.

Brown has been solid on both ends (not considering games he couldnt do alot due to injury).  Also consider browns ability to rack up the opposing team foul totals. This will be an important tool at the nba level

Here you go:  http://publish.smartsheet.com/82ef118d828045a1817ce44456b313dd

He and Simmons tied for 15th/16th amongst rookies (and 64th/65th amongst all Summer League participants).

Part of the problem is that Brown shot 32% ... that was 40th amongst rookies.  That kind of thing can't be ignored.  It's a negative impact on the team if a guy shoots atrociously. 

But I agree you can for the most part overlook it when considering Brown's future.  Hopefully, he eventually learns how to shoot and finish consistently.  It might take him 3-5 years, but I have hope he'll get there.   This year, I'd be surprised to see him doing much offensively for our team.  His performance was worse than Smart's rookie performance.

I have never seen a player who shoots 32% make some of the shots he made. I mean, that baseline fallaway against a defender all over him? It wasn't one of us, it wasn't an optimistic message board cheerleader, it wasn't a Celtics homer who said without hesitation that it looked like Michael ****ing Jordan, lol, it was the neutral play-by-play guy.

Really?

Making some tough shots doesn't mean much unless you do it with regularity and more importantly, can make the easy ones too. That fadeaway was pretty but I'd rather see him knock down the open jumpers and make the quasi-contested layups than count  on him hitting contested turnaround jumpers.

[Celtics18]

He wasn't one of the 10 best rookies in Summer league, but I don't think it matters.  He's young and has the tools.  He can develop into a really good player in a few years.

Were there really 10 other rookies who you thought were better than Jaylen in summer league?

Statistically, there were 10 other rookies who outperformed Jaylen in Summer league.   I showed it in the Summer league thread.   Jaylen was the 64th best player in Summer League this year.  His poor shooting was a main culprit. 

But fwiw, Brandon Ingram was 104th and Ben Simmons basically tied with Brown in EFF.

Imo more about "impact" vs overall stats

Example jamal murray scored 29 yesterday, yet was not solid on the defensive end.

Brown has been solid on both ends (not considering games he couldnt do alot due to injury).  Also consider browns ability to rack up the opposing team foul totals. This will be an important tool at the nba level

Here you go:  http://publish.smartsheet.com/82ef118d828045a1817ce44456b313dd

He and Simmons tied for 15th/16th amongst rookies (and 64th/65th amongst all Summer League participants).

Part of the problem is that Brown shot 32% ... that was 40th amongst rookies.  That kind of thing can't be ignored.  It's a negative impact on the team if a guy shoots atrociously. 

But I agree you can for the most part overlook it when considering Brown's future.  Hopefully, he eventually learns how to shoot and finish consistently.  It might take him 3-5 years, but I have hope he'll get there.   This year, I'd be surprised to see him doing much offensively for our team.  His performance was worse than Smart's rookie performance.

The positive spin is that of the top eight, only Kris Dunn outperformed him statistically.  He was tied with Simmons.  Ingram, Murray, Hield, Bender, and Chriss all performed worse.

I'll take that after his horrific start to summer league.  He seemed to start to find his game in the last three contests, finishing strong.  Some very positive signs.

[Ilikesports17]

More importantly, this metric I'm seeing bounced around where you add the points and subtract the misses etc etc is something to be really careful with. That's a really flawed stat and summer league is really tough to evaluate from a stats-based perspective anyway. As much context as you want to put in it its still really tough to evaluate because the league is rapidly changing and growing so past years stats aren't necessarily relevant to this year's performances.

[CoachBo]

Still shaking my head sadly at this draft pick.

[manl_lui]

still positively nodding my head at this draft pick!

[LarBrd33]

He wasn't one of the 10 best rookies in Summer league, but I don't think it matters.  He's young and has the tools.  He can develop into a really good player in a few years.

Were there really 10 other rookies who you thought were better than Jaylen in summer league?

Statistically, there were 10 other rookies who outperformed Jaylen in Summer league.   I showed it in the Summer league thread.   Jaylen was the 64th best player in Summer League this year.  His poor shooting was a main culprit. 

But fwiw, Brandon Ingram was 104th and Ben Simmons basically tied with Brown in EFF.

Imo more about "impact" vs overall stats

Example jamal murray scored 29 yesterday, yet was not solid on the defensive end.

Brown has been solid on both ends (not considering games he couldnt do alot due to injury).  Also consider browns ability to rack up the opposing team foul totals. This will be an important tool at the nba level

Here you go:  http://publish.smartsheet.com/82ef118d828045a1817ce44456b313dd

He and Simmons tied for 15th/16th amongst rookies (and 64th/65th amongst all Summer League participants).

Part of the problem is that Brown shot 32% ... that was 40th amongst rookies.  That kind of thing can't be ignored.  It's a negative impact on the team if a guy shoots atrociously. 

But I agree you can for the most part overlook it when considering Brown's future.  Hopefully, he eventually learns how to shoot and finish consistently.  It might take him 3-5 years, but I have hope he'll get there.   This year, I'd be surprised to see him doing much offensively for our team.  His performance was worse than Smart's rookie performance.

I have never seen a player who shoots 32% make some of the shots he made. I mean, that baseline fallaway against a defender all over him? It wasn't one of us, it wasn't an optimistic message board cheerleader, it wasn't a Celtics homer who said without hesitation that it looked like Michael ****ing Jordan, lol, it was the neutral play-by-play guy.

I have.  In the Children's League, you're allowed to do that stuff.  His ability to create space and get to the hoop is encouraging.  The problem is that when a guy can't consistently make those shots, he's no longer given the freedom to take those shots.  So you see guys like Dajuan Wagner show up in the league making some thrilling shots, but eventually his coaches have to react to the atricious shooting percentages and give him a red light.   I'm sure lots of (most?) players can take the fade away shot... but can they make it consistently?  No.

But he's 19.  There's signs that are encouraging.  But if he shoots 32% in Summer League, it suggests he'll shoot under 30% in the NBA... and there's no way Brad Stevens will let him take those shots if they aren't going in.  He's got work to do.

[LarBrd33]

He wasn't one of the 10 best rookies in Summer league, but I don't think it matters.  He's young and has the tools.  He can develop into a really good player in a few years.

Were there really 10 other rookies who you thought were better than Jaylen in summer league?

Statistically, there were 10 other rookies who outperformed Jaylen in Summer league.   I showed it in the Summer league thread.   Jaylen was the 64th best player in Summer League this year.  His poor shooting was a main culprit. 

But fwiw, Brandon Ingram was 104th and Ben Simmons basically tied with Brown in EFF.

Imo more about "impact" vs overall stats

Example jamal murray scored 29 yesterday, yet was not solid on the defensive end.

Brown has been solid on both ends (not considering games he couldnt do alot due to injury).  Also consider browns ability to rack up the opposing team foul totals. This will be an important tool at the nba level

Here you go:  http://publish.smartsheet.com/82ef118d828045a1817ce44456b313dd

He and Simmons tied for 15th/16th amongst rookies (and 64th/65th amongst all Summer League participants).

Part of the problem is that Brown shot 32% ... that was 40th amongst rookies.  That kind of thing can't be ignored.  It's a negative impact on the team if a guy shoots atrociously. 

But I agree you can for the most part overlook it when considering Brown's future.  Hopefully, he eventually learns how to shoot and finish consistently.  It might take him 3-5 years, but I have hope he'll get there.   This year, I'd be surprised to see him doing much offensively for our team.  His performance was worse than Smart's rookie performance.

forget about stats (like fg per) and like I said look at the bigger picture/impact

if Brown goes 2-7 but goes to the FT line 17 times. What does this show?

If you get fouled taking a shot, it doesn't count as a missed field goal.  So it shows he missed 5 of his 7 shots he wasn't fouled on.  It shows he shot under 30% for that game and probably needs better shot selection until he's capable of making shots consistently.

[Evantime34]

Before the draft I wanted us to pick one of Murray, Bender or Brown. This summer league Brown showed to be the most capable of the 3 of becoming a two way player.

I thought he played pretty well in the summer league. More importantly, he showed flashes of things that could some day make him a star (vertical leap, strength, first step, physicality).

He will make a difference this year. He will be asked to defend, shoot open 3's and drive close outs.  Those are all skills I believe him being capable of immediately and improving at as the season goes along.

[Celtics18]

He wasn't one of the 10 best rookies in Summer league, but I don't think it matters.  He's young and has the tools.  He can develop into a really good player in a few years.

Were there really 10 other rookies who you thought were better than Jaylen in summer league?

Statistically, there were 10 other rookies who outperformed Jaylen in Summer league.   I showed it in the Summer league thread.   Jaylen was the 64th best player in Summer League this year.  His poor shooting was a main culprit. 

But fwiw, Brandon Ingram was 104th and Ben Simmons basically tied with Brown in EFF.

Imo more about "impact" vs overall stats

Example jamal murray scored 29 yesterday, yet was not solid on the defensive end.

Brown has been solid on both ends (not considering games he couldnt do alot due to injury).  Also consider browns ability to rack up the opposing team foul totals. This will be an important tool at the nba level

Here you go:  http://publish.smartsheet.com/82ef118d828045a1817ce44456b313dd

He and Simmons tied for 15th/16th amongst rookies (and 64th/65th amongst all Summer League participants).

Part of the problem is that Brown shot 32% ... that was 40th amongst rookies.  That kind of thing can't be ignored.  It's a negative impact on the team if a guy shoots atrociously. 

But I agree you can for the most part overlook it when considering Brown's future.  Hopefully, he eventually learns how to shoot and finish consistently.  It might take him 3-5 years, but I have hope he'll get there.   This year, I'd be surprised to see him doing much offensively for our team.  His performance was worse than Smart's rookie performance.

I have never seen a player who shoots 32% make some of the shots he made. I mean, that baseline fallaway against a defender all over him? It wasn't one of us, it wasn't an optimistic message board cheerleader, it wasn't a Celtics homer who said without hesitation that it looked like Michael ****ing Jordan, lol, it was the neutral play-by-play guy.

I have.  In the Children's League, you're allowed to do that stuff.  His ability to create space and get to the hoop is encouraging.  The problem is that when a guy can't consistently make those shots, he's no longer given the freedom to take those shots.  So you see guys like Dajuan Wagner show up in the league making some thrilling shots, but eventually his coaches have to react to the atricious shooting percentages and give him a red light.   I'm sure lots of (most?) players can take the fade away shot... but can they make it consistently?  No.

But he's 19.  There's signs that are encouraging.  But if he shoots 32% in Summer League, it suggests he'll shoot under 30% in the NBA... and there's no way Brad Stevens will let him take those shots if they aren't going in.  He's got work to do.

Of course he's got work to do.  Nobody was expecting this kid to come in and play like a seasoned pro at nineteen. 

I think he's actually looked better than most of us expected during summer league.  I'm encouraged.

[Surferdad]

So if Brown hits his ceiling, the sky is the limit.

Grammar cop here.  The metaphor is not mixed, but is incomplete.  If he hit his ceiling, he then has to go through his ceiling and through the roof, THEN the sky is the limit.     

[LarBrd33]

He wasn't one of the 10 best rookies in Summer league, but I don't think it matters.  He's young and has the tools.  He can develop into a really good player in a few years.

Were there really 10 other rookies who you thought were better than Jaylen in summer league?

Statistically, there were 10 other rookies who outperformed Jaylen in Summer league.   I showed it in the Summer league thread.   Jaylen was the 64th best player in Summer League this year.  His poor shooting was a main culprit. 

But fwiw, Brandon Ingram was 104th and Ben Simmons basically tied with Brown in EFF.

Imo more about "impact" vs overall stats

Example jamal murray scored 29 yesterday, yet was not solid on the defensive end.

Brown has been solid on both ends (not considering games he couldnt do alot due to injury).  Also consider browns ability to rack up the opposing team foul totals. This will be an important tool at the nba level

Here you go:  http://publish.smartsheet.com/82ef118d828045a1817ce44456b313dd

He and Simmons tied for 15th/16th amongst rookies (and 64th/65th amongst all Summer League participants).

Part of the problem is that Brown shot 32% ... that was 40th amongst rookies.  That kind of thing can't be ignored.  It's a negative impact on the team if a guy shoots atrociously. 

But I agree you can for the most part overlook it when considering Brown's future.  Hopefully, he eventually learns how to shoot and finish consistently.  It might take him 3-5 years, but I have hope he'll get there.   This year, I'd be surprised to see him doing much offensively for our team.  His performance was worse than Smart's rookie performance.

The positive spin is that of the top eight, only Kris Dunn outperformed him statistically.  He was tied with Simmons.  Ingram, Murray, Hield, Bender, and Chriss all performed worse.

I'll take that after his horrific start to summer league.  He seemed to start to find his game in the last three contests, finishing strong.  Some very positive signs.

While it's more likely we'll see them play even worse in the real league, it's not entirely unheard of that players play better in the real league.  Play style matters.  A guy like Ben Simmons might find that he's more effective getting assists in a real NBA game.   Jaylen Brown might find the space his pro teammates give him allows him to get to the hoop even easier.  Teams will not be giving him a lot of defensive attention, so he should have more open shots depending on who he is sharing the court with.

I remember watching LeBron in Summer League and though he averaged a solid 15.8 points, 7.3 rebounds and 4.3 assists per game, he shot 2-14 in his Final Summerleague game and some folks started calling him "LeBust James".   He was immediately sensational in his first official game and had a pretty incredible rookie season considering he was straight from high school (though his field goal percentages didn't rise for a couple years).

So we'll see what happens.  Hopefully Jaylen shows even more improvement after practicing with our solid group of pros and playing some pre season minutes against real NBA defenses.

[Celtics18]

He wasn't one of the 10 best rookies in Summer league, but I don't think it matters.  He's young and has the tools.  He can develop into a really good player in a few years.

Were there really 10 other rookies who you thought were better than Jaylen in summer league?

Statistically, there were 10 other rookies who outperformed Jaylen in Summer league.   I showed it in the Summer league thread.   Jaylen was the 64th best player in Summer League this year.  His poor shooting was a main culprit. 

But fwiw, Brandon Ingram was 104th and Ben Simmons basically tied with Brown in EFF.

Imo more about "impact" vs overall stats

Example jamal murray scored 29 yesterday, yet was not solid on the defensive end.

Brown has been solid on both ends (not considering games he couldnt do alot due to injury).  Also consider browns ability to rack up the opposing team foul totals. This will be an important tool at the nba level

Here you go:  http://publish.smartsheet.com/82ef118d828045a1817ce44456b313dd

He and Simmons tied for 15th/16th amongst rookies (and 64th/65th amongst all Summer League participants).

Part of the problem is that Brown shot 32% ... that was 40th amongst rookies.  That kind of thing can't be ignored.  It's a negative impact on the team if a guy shoots atrociously. 

But I agree you can for the most part overlook it when considering Brown's future.  Hopefully, he eventually learns how to shoot and finish consistently.  It might take him 3-5 years, but I have hope he'll get there.   This year, I'd be surprised to see him doing much offensively for our team.  His performance was worse than Smart's rookie performance.

forget about stats (like fg per) and like I said look at the bigger picture/impact

if Brown goes 2-7 but goes to the FT line 17 times. What does this show?

If you get fouled taking a shot, it doesn't count as a missed field goal.  So it shows he missed 5 of his 7 shots he wasn't fouled on.  It shows he shot under 30% for that game and probably needs better shot selection until he's capable of making shots consistently.

That's only partly what it shows.  It also shows that Jaylen Brown looks like he is very good at getting in the lane and drawing contact.  This will help his scoring efficiency, despite not shooting well from the floor. 

Some of the league's best scorers--Lebron James, Russell Westbrook, Dwayne Wade, Derrick Rose . . . --have managed to be elite NBA scorers without ever being great perimeter shooters.  It's obviously way too premature to compare Jaylen Brown to any of the guys on the above list, but he does share some offensive qualities like superior strength and athleticism and an ability to bull his way to the rim.  Hopefully, Jaylen continues to improve his overall game. 

His upside appears to be very high.

[Celtics18]

He wasn't one of the 10 best rookies in Summer league, but I don't think it matters.  He's young and has the tools.  He can develop into a really good player in a few years.

Were there really 10 other rookies who you thought were better than Jaylen in summer league?

Statistically, there were 10 other rookies who outperformed Jaylen in Summer league.   I showed it in the Summer league thread.   Jaylen was the 64th best player in Summer League this year.  His poor shooting was a main culprit. 

But fwiw, Brandon Ingram was 104th and Ben Simmons basically tied with Brown in EFF.

Imo more about "impact" vs overall stats

Example jamal murray scored 29 yesterday, yet was not solid on the defensive end.

Brown has been solid on both ends (not considering games he couldnt do alot due to injury).  Also consider browns ability to rack up the opposing team foul totals. This will be an important tool at the nba level

Here you go:  http://publish.smartsheet.com/82ef118d828045a1817ce44456b313dd

He and Simmons tied for 15th/16th amongst rookies (and 64th/65th amongst all Summer League participants).

Part of the problem is that Brown shot 32% ... that was 40th amongst rookies.  That kind of thing can't be ignored.  It's a negative impact on the team if a guy shoots atrociously. 

But I agree you can for the most part overlook it when considering Brown's future.  Hopefully, he eventually learns how to shoot and finish consistently.  It might take him 3-5 years, but I have hope he'll get there.   This year, I'd be surprised to see him doing much offensively for our team.  His performance was worse than Smart's rookie performance.

The positive spin is that of the top eight, only Kris Dunn outperformed him statistically.  He was tied with Simmons.  Ingram, Murray, Hield, Bender, and Chriss all performed worse.

I'll take that after his horrific start to summer league.  He seemed to start to find his game in the last three contests, finishing strong.  Some very positive signs.

While it's more likely we'll see them play even worse in the real league, it's not entirely unheard of that players play better in the real league.  Play style matters.  A guy like Ben Simmons might find that he's more effective getting assists in a real NBA game.   Jaylen Brown might find the space his pro teammates give him allows him to get to the hoop even easier.  Teams will not be giving him a lot of defensive attention, so he should have more open shots depending on who he is sharing the court with.

I remember watching LeBron in Summer League and though he averaged a solid 15.8 points, 7.3 rebounds and 4.3 assists per game, he shot 2-14 in his Final Summerleague game and some folks started calling him "LeBust James".   He was immediately sensational in his first official game and had a pretty incredible rookie season considering he was straight from high school (though his field goal percentages didn't rise for a couple years).

So we'll see what happens.  Hopefully Jaylen shows even more improvement after practicing with our solid group of pros and playing some pre season minutes against real NBA defenses.

Good point about Jaylen likely being given more space in real games than in summer league where he was his team's most dangerous weapon.

Of course, NBA defenses are overall much better than summer league ones.

What I expect out of Jaylen Brown's rookie season is for him to get about 20 minutes per game, show some flashes of his athleticism, get some monster dunks, and make some "wow!!" plays defensively.  I also expect him to shoot a low percentage from the floor (hoping he gets to 40%) and get lost on defense at times, prompting some folks to call him a "a lazy, good for nothing bum."

Looking forward to seeing his development and how he meshes with the current group.

[Tr1boy]

He wasn't one of the 10 best rookies in Summer league, but I don't think it matters.  He's young and has the tools.  He can develop into a really good player in a few years.

Were there really 10 other rookies who you thought were better than Jaylen in summer league?

Statistically, there were 10 other rookies who outperformed Jaylen in Summer league.   I showed it in the Summer league thread.   Jaylen was the 64th best player in Summer League this year.  His poor shooting was a main culprit. 

But fwiw, Brandon Ingram was 104th and Ben Simmons basically tied with Brown in EFF.

Imo more about "impact" vs overall stats

Example jamal murray scored 29 yesterday, yet was not solid on the defensive end.

Brown has been solid on both ends (not considering games he couldnt do alot due to injury).  Also consider browns ability to rack up the opposing team foul totals. This will be an important tool at the nba level

Here you go:  http://publish.smartsheet.com/82ef118d828045a1817ce44456b313dd

He and Simmons tied for 15th/16th amongst rookies (and 64th/65th amongst all Summer League participants).

Part of the problem is that Brown shot 32% ... that was 40th amongst rookies.  That kind of thing can't be ignored.  It's a negative impact on the team if a guy shoots atrociously. 

But I agree you can for the most part overlook it when considering Brown's future.  Hopefully, he eventually learns how to shoot and finish consistently.  It might take him 3-5 years, but I have hope he'll get there.   This year, I'd be surprised to see him doing much offensively for our team.  His performance was worse than Smart's rookie performance.

forget about stats (like fg per) and like I said look at the bigger picture/impact

if Brown goes 2-7 but goes to the FT line 17 times. What does this show?

If you get fouled taking a shot, it doesn't count as a missed field goal.  So it shows he missed 5 of his 7 shots he wasn't fouled on.  It shows he shot under 30% for that game and probably needs better shot selection until he's capable of making shots consistently.

That's only partly what it shows.  It also shows that Jaylen Brown looks like he is very good at getting in the lane and drawing contact.  This will help his scoring efficiency, despite not shooting well from the floor. 

Some of the league's best scorers--Lebron James, Russell Westbrook, Dwayne Wade, Derrick Rose . . . --have managed to be elite NBA scorers without ever being great perimeter shooters.  It's obviously way too premature to compare Jaylen Brown to any of the guys on the above list, but he does share some offensive qualities like superior strength and athleticism and an ability to bull his way to the rim.  Hopefully, Jaylen continues to improve his overall game. 

His upside appears to be very high.

Exactly

Brown also shot the 3 at a decent rate. Better than I'm sure many expected.  As long as he can make the open 3s , teams won't be able to back away completely to anticipate the drive

[Celtics18]

He wasn't one of the 10 best rookies in Summer league, but I don't think it matters.  He's young and has the tools.  He can develop into a really good player in a few years.

Were there really 10 other rookies who you thought were better than Jaylen in summer league?

Statistically, there were 10 other rookies who outperformed Jaylen in Summer league.   I showed it in the Summer league thread.   Jaylen was the 64th best player in Summer League this year.  His poor shooting was a main culprit. 

But fwiw, Brandon Ingram was 104th and Ben Simmons basically tied with Brown in EFF.

Imo more about "impact" vs overall stats

Example jamal murray scored 29 yesterday, yet was not solid on the defensive end.

Brown has been solid on both ends (not considering games he couldnt do alot due to injury).  Also consider browns ability to rack up the opposing team foul totals. This will be an important tool at the nba level

Here you go:  http://publish.smartsheet.com/82ef118d828045a1817ce44456b313dd

He and Simmons tied for 15th/16th amongst rookies (and 64th/65th amongst all Summer League participants).

Part of the problem is that Brown shot 32% ... that was 40th amongst rookies.  That kind of thing can't be ignored.  It's a negative impact on the team if a guy shoots atrociously. 

But I agree you can for the most part overlook it when considering Brown's future.  Hopefully, he eventually learns how to shoot and finish consistently.  It might take him 3-5 years, but I have hope he'll get there.   This year, I'd be surprised to see him doing much offensively for our team.  His performance was worse than Smart's rookie performance.

forget about stats (like fg per) and like I said look at the bigger picture/impact

if Brown goes 2-7 but goes to the FT line 17 times. What does this show?

If you get fouled taking a shot, it doesn't count as a missed field goal.  So it shows he missed 5 of his 7 shots he wasn't fouled on.  It shows he shot under 30% for that game and probably needs better shot selection until he's capable of making shots consistently.

That's only partly what it shows.  It also shows that Jaylen Brown looks like he is very good at getting in the lane and drawing contact.  This will help his scoring efficiency, despite not shooting well from the floor. 

Some of the league's best scorers--Lebron James, Russell Westbrook, Dwayne Wade, Derrick Rose . . . --have managed to be elite NBA scorers without ever being great perimeter shooters.  It's obviously way too premature to compare Jaylen Brown to any of the guys on the above list, but he does share some offensive qualities like superior strength and athleticism and an ability to bull his way to the rim.  Hopefully, Jaylen continues to improve his overall game. 

His upside appears to be very high.

Exactly

Brown also shot the 3 at a decent rate. Better than I'm sure many expected.  As long as he can make the open 3s , teams won't be able to back away completely to anticipate the drive

I'm not willing to call .227 a "decent rate."