Lots of trade rumors lately...think Danny gives up JB?

[Ilikesports17]

The upside for this kid is an athletic Evan Turner with a 3 point shot - and a top level defender on top of that.  No way.

Turner is a terrific finisher at the rim and a terrific passer who does an excellent job weaving his way to the basket. He is also a terrific mid range shooter. His defense is not great but his length allows him to be solid. He lacks elite explosion and a 3 point shot.

Jaylen Brown is a superexplosive athlete who gets to the rim by exploding past defenders and bullying his way to the rim. Hes like a 1 cut running back. Hes a poor natural finisher and lives at the free throw line. He currently has a very eh midrange game and his passing ability is nothing to write home about.

I dont get the comp at all.

I see him as either a super explosive Jae Crowder or a super aggressive but less gifted Jeff Green

You think that's his upside? I would say that he has the potential to be a more athletic, better-defending Derozan, which is a multiple-time, if not perennial, All-Star.

I don't necessarily like the Crowder comparisons. He's limited to straight-line drives due to his limited handle and athleticism, but he's much more built and solid than Brown.

Other than their athleticism, I don't like the Green comparisons either. He's already a better ball-handler than Green, and he's a 2/3 where Green is a 3/4, same with Crowder.

I see Brown as someone who will evolve into a 3/4 as he adds strength. I dont think thats his upside, its what I expect to happen.

Ceiling I would put more in the Jimmy Butler Demar Derozan category but with better shooting. The big problem with my comps is as you said, that both Green and Crowder are really straight line drivers. I do expect brown to develop his handle enough that he can be more nuanced and creative on his drives. However, right now his lack of BBall IQ suggests that might not necessarily be the case. Its my impression that at Cal he was a straightline driver.

[loco_91]

The upside for this kid is an athletic Evan Turner with a 3 point shot - and a top level defender on top of that.  No way.

Turner is a terrific finisher at the rim and a terrific passer who does an excellent job weaving his way to the basket. He is also a terrific mid range shooter. His defense is not great but his length allows him to be solid. He lacks elite explosion and a 3 point shot.

Jaylen Brown is a superexplosive athlete who gets to the rim by exploding past defenders and bullying his way to the rim. Hes like a 1 cut running back. Hes a poor natural finisher and lives at the free throw line. He currently has a very eh midrange game and his passing ability is nothing to write home about.

I dont get the comp at all.

I see him as either a super explosive Jae Crowder or a super aggressive but less gifted Jeff Green

You think that's his upside? I would say that he has the potential to be a more athletic, better-defending Derozan, which is a multiple-time, if not perennial, All-Star.

I don't necessarily like the Crowder comparisons. He's limited to straight-line drives due to his limited handle and athleticism, but he's much more built and solid than Brown.

Other than their athleticism, I don't like the Green comparisons either. He's already a better ball-handler than Green, and he's a 2/3 where Green is a 3/4, same with Crowder.

While he may be athletic, he looks a certain measure of gangly and uncoordinated to me. Like someone who quickly grew into a large body and is still learning what to do with it. Let's hope he'll figure it out.

Also, ballhandling in particular doesn't look like a strength by now. It's horribly early, but if I had to guess, I'd say he's got a better chance to play the 4 than the 2.

I think he's a 3/4. Guys always look a half-position smaller when they're 19. And I do think his handles are above average, if not exceptional-- the ball doesn't slow him down at all, and he has a really nice right-left crossover. Getting to the rack wasn't a problem for him at all in SL, though finishing layups and making FTs definitely were, which might have to do with the coordination thing you were talking about. He's definitely tends to be a little out of control when he gets the rim, I don't think he knows always knows exactly where the rim is when he picks up his dribble.

[kozlodoev]

I think he's a 3/4. Guys always look a half-position smaller when they're 19. And I do think his handles are above average, if not exceptional-- the ball doesn't slow him down at all, and he has a really nice right-left crossover. Getting to the rack wasn't a problem for him at all in SL, though finishing layups and making FTs definitely were, which might have to do with the coordination thing you were talking about. He's definitely tends to be a little out of control when he gets the rim, I don't think he knows always knows exactly where the rim is when he picks up his dribble.

He seems just ok when it's a transition straight line drive, but every time there's a higher degree of difficulty drive in more congested space he seems to lose the ball. I just haven't seen enough skilled handling in traffic I guess, though at least he certainly seems to have a better first step than Smart. We'll see.

[guava_wrench]

The upside for this kid is an athletic Evan Turner with a 3 point shot - and a top level defender on top of that.  No way.

If he is athletic and has a 3, how is he Evan Turner?

[guava_wrench]

Understandably, it's Summer League, but this kid won me over from "Meh, not bad, would have rather traded that pick" to "don't deal him for now" status. This kid has TONS of potential and he understands that and wants to get there. Do you suspect Danny gives him up right away in say a Cousins or Griffin type trade? This could be our best SF since Pierce for all we know.

And Griffin would definitely be our best PF since KG and Cousins our best center since Parish.

You trade him when he looks good. That is when you can get value. Trading guys when you no longer want them gets you garbage in return.

[kozlodoev]

The upside for this kid is an athletic Evan Turner with a 3 point shot - and a top level defender on top of that.  No way.

If he is athletic and has a 3, how is he Evan Turner?

"Athletic Evan Turner with a three-point shot" is describing Tracy McGrady.

[Beat LA]

The upside for this kid is an athletic Evan Turner with a 3 point shot - and a top level defender on top of that.  No way.

Turner is a terrific finisher at the rim and a terrific passer who does an excellent job weaving his way to the basket. He is also a terrific mid range shooter. His defense is not great but his length allows him to be solid. He lacks elite explosion and a 3 point shot.

Jaylen Brown is a superexplosive athlete who gets to the rim by exploding past defenders and bullying his way to the rim. Hes like a 1 cut running back. Hes a poor natural finisher and lives at the free throw line. He currently has a very eh midrange game and his passing ability is nothing to write home about.

I dont get the comp at all.

I see him as either a super explosive Jae Crowder or a super aggressive but less gifted Jeff Green

You think that's his upside? I would say that he has the potential to be a more athletic, better-defending Derozan, which is a multiple-time, if not perennial, All-Star.

I don't necessarily like the Crowder comparisons. He's limited to straight-line drives due to his limited handle and athleticism, but he's much more built and solid than Brown.

Other than their athleticism, I don't like the Green comparisons either. He's already a better ball-handler than Green, and he's a 2/3 where Green is a 3/4, same with Crowder.

Hold up, Teddy Brosevelt . I realize that I've posted this before, so I apologize if that bothers anyone, but this way Derozan at 19 -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBpyaxyPHbQ

Despite a much smaller sample size, Derozan was a worse 3 point shooter than Brown while in college , lol, but he always had the great midrange game, and Brown never did any of the moves that Derozan displayed in that video while at Cal . Brb, finding footage of Derozan's summer league performance .

[Beat LA]

Found footage , and there's just no comparison, imo.  Does anyone know if we can even find Derozan's summer league stats, btw?  I'm sure that it's possible, but I don't know where to look . Anyway, enjoy -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbUASsdZ0AMv

[jpotter33]

The upside for this kid is an athletic Evan Turner with a 3 point shot - and a top level defender on top of that.  No way.

Turner is a terrific finisher at the rim and a terrific passer who does an excellent job weaving his way to the basket. He is also a terrific mid range shooter. His defense is not great but his length allows him to be solid. He lacks elite explosion and a 3 point shot.

Jaylen Brown is a superexplosive athlete who gets to the rim by exploding past defenders and bullying his way to the rim. Hes like a 1 cut running back. Hes a poor natural finisher and lives at the free throw line. He currently has a very eh midrange game and his passing ability is nothing to write home about.

I dont get the comp at all.

I see him as either a super explosive Jae Crowder or a super aggressive but less gifted Jeff Green

You think that's his upside? I would say that he has the potential to be a more athletic, better-defending Derozan, which is a multiple-time, if not perennial, All-Star.

I don't necessarily like the Crowder comparisons. He's limited to straight-line drives due to his limited handle and athleticism, but he's much more built and solid than Brown.

Other than their athleticism, I don't like the Green comparisons either. He's already a better ball-handler than Green, and he's a 2/3 where Green is a 3/4, same with Crowder.

I see Brown as someone who will evolve into a 3/4 as he adds strength. I dont think thats his upside, its what I expect to happen.

Ceiling I would put more in the Jimmy Butler Demar Derozan category but with better shooting. The big problem with my comps is as you said, that both Green and Crowder are really straight line drivers. I do expect brown to develop his handle enough that he can be more nuanced and creative on his drives. However, right now his lack of BBall IQ suggests that might not necessarily be the case. Its my impression that at Cal he was a straightline driver.

Brown just doesn't seem to be a 4 to me. I think he's quick/athletic enough and has the proper foot speed to be more of a big 2 than a smaller 4.

I also don't think that he's going to fill out all that much more. Generally, it seems that those hyper-athletic guys like Brown always stay a bit leaner than someone like Crowder, which isn't to say that Brown is too thin by any means. He's built as it is, but I just don't see him as the type to put on all that much more mass in the next couple of years.

[kozlodoev]

Found footage , and there's just no comparison, imo.  Does anyone know if we can even find Derozan's summer league stats, btw?  I'm sure that it's possible, but I don't know where to look . Anyway, enjoy -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbUASsdZ0AMv

Of course not. DeRozan looks more polished, more fluid, and clearly more comfortable with the ball in his hands.

[jpotter33]

Found footage , and there's just no comparison, imo.  Does anyone know if we can even find Derozan's summer league stats, btw?  I'm sure that it's possible, but I don't know where to look . Anyway, enjoy -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbUASsdZ0AMv

I mean, I'm not sure what you're getting at. Style-wise, Brown certainly doesn't utilize the mid-range game like Derozan does, which is a good thing in my opinion, but otherwise they share a similar type of body, athleticism, and game. Where Derozan is more mid-range and drives offensively, I think Brown will be a 3 or lay-up kind of offensive player, which is an analytics guy's dream.

Also, Brown has much more overall and two-way potential than Derozan, because Derozan has never been more than an average defender or rebounder. Also, as you said he already seems to be ahead of Derozan in the three point game, mostly because Derozan is like DWade in that regard and doesn't really utilize the three that much.

So I don't think it's a stretch to say that Brown has the potential to be a more complete, better version of Derozan, and I really don't think that Derozan had any more impressive of a summer league than Brown. It just showed that their games are a bit different. Compare his highlights to Brown's here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahVAgCPbiAw

[saltlover]

The upside for this kid is an athletic Evan Turner with a 3 point shot - and a top level defender on top of that.  No way.

Turner is a terrific finisher at the rim and a terrific passer who does an excellent job weaving his way to the basket. He is also a terrific mid range shooter. His defense is not great but his length allows him to be solid. He lacks elite explosion and a 3 point shot.

Jaylen Brown is a superexplosive athlete who gets to the rim by exploding past defenders and bullying his way to the rim. Hes like a 1 cut running back. Hes a poor natural finisher and lives at the free throw line. He currently has a very eh midrange game and his passing ability is nothing to write home about.

I dont get the comp at all.

I see him as either a super explosive Jae Crowder or a super aggressive but less gifted Jeff Green

You think that's his upside? I would say that he has the potential to be a more athletic, better-defending Derozan, which is a multiple-time, if not perennial, All-Star.

I don't necessarily like the Crowder comparisons. He's limited to straight-line drives due to his limited handle and athleticism, but he's much more built and solid than Brown.

Other than their athleticism, I don't like the Green comparisons either. He's already a better ball-handler than Green, and he's a 2/3 where Green is a 3/4, same with Crowder.

I see Brown as someone who will evolve into a 3/4 as he adds strength. I dont think thats his upside, its what I expect to happen.

Ceiling I would put more in the Jimmy Butler Demar Derozan category but with better shooting. The big problem with my comps is as you said, that both Green and Crowder are really straight line drivers. I do expect brown to develop his handle enough that he can be more nuanced and creative on his drives. However, right now his lack of BBall IQ suggests that might not necessarily be the case. Its my impression that at Cal he was a straightline driver.

Brown just doesn't seem to be a 4 to me. I think he's quick/athletic enough and has the proper foot speed to be more of a big 2 than a smaller 4.

I also don't think that he's going to fill out all that much more. Generally, it seems that those hyper-athletic guys like Brown always stay a bit leaner than someone like Crowder, which isn't to say that Brown is too thin by any means. He's built as it is, but I just don't see him as the type to put on all that much more mass in the next couple of years.

I think he's got a pretty similar build to Kawhi.  He gives up an inch, but was near the same weight at their respective combines.  Leonard plays almost exclusively the 3, but when you have Tim Duncan (now Paul Gasol) and LaMarcus Aldridge, that could be as much about team style as it is capability.

[jpotter33]

Found footage , and there's just no comparison, imo.  Does anyone know if we can even find Derozan's summer league stats, btw?  I'm sure that it's possible, but I don't know where to look . Anyway, enjoy -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbUASsdZ0AMv

Of course not. DeRozan looks more polished, more fluid, and clearly more comfortable with the ball in his hands.

Eh, the only thing I saw was a much better mid-range game than Brown, though that just doesn't seem to be a big part of Brown's game. Brown is clearly better at getting to the rim, rebounding, and defense than Derozan.

I also think you're underselling his ball-handling a bit. When he lost it in the lane it was due to him forcing it too much and being a bit out of control, not because of sub-par ball-handling. I was pretty impressed with his ball-handling overall, especially in his moves to create space for himself for the shot.

[Beat LA]

Found footage , and there's just no comparison, imo.  Does anyone know if we can even find Derozan's summer league stats, btw?  I'm sure that it's possible, but I don't know where to look . Anyway, enjoy -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbUASsdZ0AMv

I mean, I'm not sure what you're getting at. Style-wise, Brown certainly doesn't utilize the mid-range game like Derozan does, which is a good thing in my opinion, but otherwise they share a similar type of body, athleticism, and game. Where Derozan is more mid-range and drives offensively, I think Brown will be a 3 or lay-up kind of offensive player, which is an analytics guy's dream.

Also, Brown has much more overall and two-way potential than Derozan, because Derozan has never been more than an average defender or rebounder. Also, as you said he already seems to be ahead of Derozan in the three point game, mostly because Derozan is like DWade in that regard and doesn't really utilize the three that much.

So I don't think it's a stretch to say that Brown has the potential to be a more complete, better version of Derozan, and I really don't think that Derozan had any more impressive of a summer league than Brown. It just showed that their games are a bit different. Compare his highlights to Brown's here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahVAgCPbiAw

That Derozan had a far higher skill level coming out of college than Brown, imo.

Found footage , and there's just no comparison, imo.  Does anyone know if we can even find Derozan's summer league stats, btw?  I'm sure that it's possible, but I don't know where to look . Anyway, enjoy -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbUASsdZ0AMv

Of course not. DeRozan looks more polished, more fluid, and clearly more comfortable with the ball in his hands.

Eh, the only thing I saw was a much better mid-range game than Brown, though that just doesn't seem to be a big part of Brown's game. Brown is clearly better at getting to the rim, rebounding, and defense than Derozan.

I also think you're underselling his ball-handling a bit. When he lost it in the lane it was due to him forcing it too much and being a bit out of control, not because of sub-par ball-handling. I was pretty impressed with his ball-handling overall, especially in his moves to create space for himself for the shot.

Right, so if his handle didn't do him in, his poor decision making did, lol.  He did have a few nice crossovers, only to then miss the shot, haha, but he coughed it up a lot, and his assist to turnover ratio was awful.  It's not just that he'd lose it going into 3 guys - it was how he'd get picked by smaller players.  That, and dribbling with his head down *facepalm*, is what worries me, among other things .

[Beat LA]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahVAgCPbiAw

jpotter33 that ^ is most likely the worst 'highlight reel' I've ever seen.  I mean, you know you're an offensive juggernaut when at least half of the video is devoted to the fouls that you've drawn, lma0 . Ugh.