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Re: Westbrook Trade Rumors (Beck)
« Reply #60 on: July 13, 2016, 12:47:59 PM »

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We should grab any elite NBA player that we can. Let other teams worry about drafting Harry Giles or even Harry Styles. The love that so many posters have for teenagers over top 10 NBA players is really baffling.

Not if it comes at the expense of a one year rental.  Is trading for Westbrook and making the ECF then watching him bolt and realizing that you emptied out multiple first rounders & core players to get him worth it? 

Your team is worse the following year AND you have less to work with now to keep the team competitive or getting to that next step.


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Re: Westbrook Trade Rumors (Beck)
« Reply #61 on: July 13, 2016, 12:48:08 PM »

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Great players don't get traded on the first two years of their deals. And deals are now all 4 years (with player option after 3) or 5 years (with a player option after 4).

Any player we trade for is going to be either a FA after a single season or best case scenario you get them for two. If you're not willing to trade for a rental player or a short term deal you're just not willing to trade for great talent.

TP, very underappreciated point. Teams aren't just willingly selling away top 15-20 players unless they absolutely have to.

That doesn't make them worth paying more for, though.    If you aren't confident that you can retain the player past next summer, it's a rental.

Westbrook in particular scares me that he would not be willing to re-sign in Boston because:

a) He's clearly going to leave OKC -- so that means that Bird Rights' contractual advantage is not going to be enough to convince him to stay.  So trading for him now would give Boston no particular advantage due to Bird Rights.   He is perfectly willing to sign a non-Bird FA max contract with a different team in order to exercise his finally-won ability to decide where he wants to play.
b) He's from Long Beach, CA.
c) He's got pretty well known business and personal interests in the fashion industry and celebrity pop culture.
d) He just bought a 4.65M mansion in Beverly Hills (from some dude who is on one of the reality shows (Kardashians?).
e) The Lakers will have enough cap space to sign him to a max contract plus an attractive, "Come back to your home town and rebuild the next great Laker dynasty with all our young talent, Russ!", sales pitch.
d) The Clippers almost certainly could move one of their big assets (CP3) to clear cap space to sign him.

What about any of that would give you confidence that he would stay in Boston?

All signs to me indicate he will most likely end up going to one of the LA teams.

Sure, any star we might trade for is likely to only have 1 or 2 years remaining on their deal.  But I don't think all one-year-rentals are created equally.

For example, if we traded for Gordon Hayward, I'd expect that the probability that he would sign long term with the Celtics to be extremely high.   That said, that doesn't mean I'd want to trade very much for Hayward, either.  Because if we think we have a very high probability of signing a player to sign here long term, why not just wait and sign him next year in free agency, and not give up significant assets?

Ultimately it comes down to price.  I'd be willing to give up a little for Hayward to get him here early, but definitely not a lot because he's not going to win us Banner 18 this year.   

And I'd be willing to give up even less for Westbrook to get him here early because I don't have faith that he will resign and, again, he's not going to win us Banner 18 this year.

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Re: Westbrook Trade Rumors (Beck)
« Reply #62 on: July 13, 2016, 12:49:25 PM »

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Russell is a top 5 talent.. a Tremendous competitor.. The ultimate guy to go to battle with.. You can trade whatever you want to get him.. All the Brooklyn picks, Jaylen Brown - heck even Send IT and smart if that's what they want.. Yes guys.. Do it..  Just remember this..

Russell Westbrook is a Cali guy to his core and wants nothing more than to be a Laker..It is no secret.  So whatever you do, whatever you say, whatever you sell to get him just remember.. At the Start of the 2017 season he will play for his Dream team.. The Lakers.. He will be the face of the Lakers.. He will be the stud of Los Angeles.

He will go wherever they trade him to, but I quite honestly thinks he hates the Celtics but he will be a professional.  But when he is a Free Agent, We will have the same odds signing him that we had signing Durant.. And if you truly think there was a chance at that then I have bridge I'd like to sell you.

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Re: Westbrook Trade Rumors (Beck)
« Reply #63 on: July 13, 2016, 12:52:05 PM »

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When Danny did the KG trade they got Garnett to agree to an extension prior to completing the deal.  Couldn't they do that here?

It would be in the best interest of both teams.  Then you send along a package that allows OKC to rebuild - ie. Nets picks, Smart etc.

Otherwise you're renting him for the season.

But it would not be in the interest of Russell Westbrook.

He's not going sign an extension.  Not only would that cost him huge amounts of money, but it would wipe out his finally-earned ability to decide on his own what city he wants to live and work in for the next several years of his career.
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Re: Westbrook Trade Rumors (Beck)
« Reply #64 on: July 13, 2016, 12:54:00 PM »

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Re: Westbrook Trade Rumors (Beck)
« Reply #65 on: July 13, 2016, 12:55:11 PM »

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Can the celts do some kind of sign and trade that would keep him in Boston? Is this at all doable/ allowed? I'm a huge NBA fan but terrible at cap/ contract stuff. Thanks!

Re: Westbrook Trade Rumors (Beck)
« Reply #66 on: July 13, 2016, 12:55:36 PM »

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Westbrook isn't going to extend his contract for the same reason Kevin Love, Goran Dragic, and any other premier player with an expiring contract who's been traded in recent years hasn't extended their contracts with their new teams.
*cough* James Harden *cough*

Not the same situation given his deal had 2 years left but the lowered cap projections make it more possible.

Talking about trades, though. Harden merely extended his contract with his current team. He wasn't looking for an out and then going into an unsure situation with a new team.

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« Reply #67 on: July 13, 2016, 12:57:15 PM »

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I think you could add Westbrook + cousins + Blake without giving up a single asset and I'd still expect the Warriors to win in 5. 

Re: Westbrook Trade Rumors (Beck)
« Reply #68 on: July 13, 2016, 12:57:49 PM »

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Can the celts do some kind of sign and trade that would keep him in Boston? Is this at all doable/ allowed? I'm a huge NBA fan but terrible at cap/ contract stuff. Thanks!

Only if he agreed to sign an extension, which seems highly improbable.
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Re: Westbrook Trade Rumors (Beck)
« Reply #69 on: July 13, 2016, 01:00:47 PM »

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I couldn't hate this idea of Westbrook or Griffin any more at the moment.

You guys do realize that all we need is Jimmy Butler and another cheap shooter off the bench from being tied with Cleveland in the East right? Sure we could use an elite defensive center,, but Horford and Amir are sufficient for now.

Stevens system is very precise, non ball dominant and defensive oriented. We don't want a ball dominant Westbrook or a Blake to completely change  the system. We need patience. Either go for Butler or Middleton, Noel, or just wait till the trade deadline where the value of our assets is extremely high.

Re: Westbrook Trade Rumors (Beck)
« Reply #70 on: July 13, 2016, 01:00:48 PM »

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Great players don't get traded on the first two years of their deals. And deals are now all 4 years (with player option after 3) or 5 years (with a player option after 4).

Any player we trade for is going to be either a FA after a single season or best case scenario you get them for two. If you're not willing to trade for a rental player or a short term deal you're just not willing to trade for great talent.

TP, very underappreciated point. Teams aren't just willingly selling away top 15-20 players unless they absolutely have to.

That doesn't make them worth paying more for, though.    If you aren't confident that you can retain the player past next summer, it's a rental.

Westbrook in particular scares me that he would not be willing to re-sign in Boston because:

a) He's clearly going to leave OKC -- so that means that Bird Rights' contractual advantage is not going to be enough to convince him to stay.  So trading for him now would give Boston no particular advantage due to Bird Rights.   He is perfectly willing to sign a non-Bird FA max contract with a different team in order to exercise his finally-won ability to decide where he wants to play.
b) He's from Long Beach, CA.
c) He's got pretty well known business and personal interests in the fashion industry and celebrity pop culture.
d) He just bought a 4.65M mansion in Beverly Hills (from some dude who is on one of the reality shows (Kardashians?).
e) The Lakers will have enough cap space to sign him to a max contract plus an attractive, "Come back to your home town and rebuild the next great Laker dynasty with all our young talent, Russ!", sales pitch.
d) The Clippers almost certainly could move one of their big assets (CP3) to clear cap space to sign him.

What about any of that would give you confidence that he would stay in Boston?

All signs to me indicate he will most likely end up going to one of the LA teams.

Sure, any star we might trade for is likely to only have 1 or 2 years remaining on their deal.  But I don't think all one-year-rentals are created equally.

For example, if we traded for Gordon Hayward, I'd expect that the probability that he would sign long term with the Celtics to be extremely high.   That said, that doesn't mean I'd want to trade very much for Hayward, either.  Because if we think we have a very high probability of signing a player to sign here long term, why not just wait and sign him next year in free agency, and not give up significant assets?

Ultimately it comes down to price.  I'd be willing to give up a little for Hayward to get him here early, but definitely not a lot because he's not going to win us Banner 18 this year.   

And I'd be willing to give up even less for Westbrook to get him here early because I don't have faith that he will resign and, again, he's not going to win us Banner 18 this year.

If the Lakers' pitch to Westbrook is to rebuild a dynasty rather than jump into a ready-made contender and create one, their proposal is dead in the water already. More than anything, the dude hates losing. I don't see any way he goes to the Lakers unless they're a competitive team this year or make the requisite moves next offseason to become one beforehand. He might seem like an L.A. guy, but he's even more of a "I'm obsessive about winning" guy.

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« Reply #71 on: July 13, 2016, 01:01:51 PM »

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Can that extension be signed when the trade takes place? Thanks again. Unlikely I know.

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« Reply #72 on: July 13, 2016, 01:03:44 PM »

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I just love the guy. I just can't get too mad at a guy for poor decision making based on crazy animalistic drive to win. I just personally love those players. Coaching I always picked those guys above slightly more talented players. Just different taste.

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« Reply #73 on: July 13, 2016, 01:06:04 PM »

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Can that extension be signed when the trade takes place? Thanks again. Unlikely I know.

Can it be? Yes. Makes all the sense in the world for the Celtics.
Will it be? No. Makes no sense for Westbrook.

Re: Westbrook Trade Rumors (Beck)
« Reply #74 on: July 13, 2016, 01:08:28 PM »

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Doesn't make any sense, he wouldn't fit with IT and he can (and probably will) bolt next summer, why mortgage the future for a bad fit on a one-year rental?

Yeah, I'd be all-in on trading for Westbrook (despite his flaws) if it weren't for the fact that he's an expiring.

I fully expect Westbrook to hold court next summer like KD did this year, and ultimately sign with a glamour market -- probably Miami or New York.
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