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Re: Celtics (1-2) vs Cavaliers (1-2) Vegas SL Game #4 7/13/16
« Reply #240 on: July 13, 2016, 11:02:44 PM »

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I missed the game and only just saw the box score. Holy **** brown's stat line is great!! And rozier ain't chopped liver. Either.  Nader looks to be a SL warrior.  ;D

Tp to anyone. Who can give me a quick summary. Thanks.

Brown was great. Rozier too. Nader was consistent as he is been.

The first unit played well and the second unit was awful, specially on defense.

Yabusele and Nader got nice dunks. Jordan Mcrae got what he wanted with our defense. That little left kid that I forgot the name hit some shots in the end of game.

The refs were horrible. The game had like 50 fouls, seriously.

We started the game good, finished the 2 quarter really bad. Fought until the end, but lost the game in a disappointing way. Oh, and our SL coach is no good also.

That wasn't quick though, sorry for that.
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Re: Celtics (1-2) vs Cavaliers (1-2) Vegas SL Game #4 7/13/16
« Reply #241 on: July 13, 2016, 11:03:36 PM »

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So Young only played like 7 some minutes tonight with 0's across the board, and Hunter also sat the last fifteen minutes. I think it's safe to say that at least one of those two is off the main roster this year, probably Young.

That really sucks that we missed out on Hood, Harris, and Capella with a swing and a miss on Young.
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Re: Celtics (1-2) vs Cavaliers (1-2) Vegas SL Game #4 7/13/16
« Reply #242 on: July 13, 2016, 11:04:17 PM »

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So Young only played like 7 some minutes tonight with 0's across the board, and Hunter also sat the last fifteen minutes. I think it's safe to say that at least one of those two is off the main roster this year, probably Young.

That really sucks that we missed out on Hood, Harris, and Capella with a swing and a miss on Young.

Hunter got hurt, but Young has no excuse.
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Re: Celtics (1-2) vs Cavaliers (1-2) Vegas SL Game #4 7/13/16
« Reply #243 on: July 13, 2016, 11:08:26 PM »

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I missed the game and only just saw the box score. Holy **** brown's stat line is great!! And rozier ain't chopped liver. Either.  Nader looks to be a SL warrior.  ;D

Tp to anyone. Who can give me a quick summary. Thanks.

We lost.

Give me my TP.
Sorry, but that's not a summary. It does, however, seem to be a sad plead for  tp. I understand. Tps are valuable and confirm our existence and worth here at CB. However, tp addiction is another issue all together.

Have you ever considered therapy for your tp addiction? Remember, the first step is admitting you have a problem. Feel to turn to your fellow CBers for support.  ;D

P.S. You owe me a tp for the therapy session.  ;)
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Re: Celtics (1-2) vs Cavaliers (1-2) Vegas SL Game #4 7/13/16
« Reply #244 on: July 13, 2016, 11:11:54 PM »

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Young really has nothing to offer at this point but a pretty stroke and improving three point game.   He gets abused in the paint on defense .   Just slaughtered like a deer in the headlights on many defensive situations.   

If you can not play D ....then you won't be on the Celtics ......it's a must with CBS ......

Hunter is better on D than Young ......but he has not gotten ANY better from last year ......that I can tell.  ...... He showed promise last year .....but no improvement to be notable . He is a bit frail and gets pushed around a lot and man handled by much stronger beefier players too much.

I'm for letting Hunter walk and putting Nader on the team.  Nader is a tuff character . And smart too.

Re: Celtics (1-2) vs Cavaliers (1-2) Vegas SL Game #4 7/13/16
« Reply #245 on: July 13, 2016, 11:13:18 PM »

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I missed the game and only just saw the box score. Holy **** brown's stat line is great!! And rozier ain't chopped liver. Either.  Nader looks to be a SL warrior.  ;D

Tp to anyone. Who can give me a quick summary. Thanks.

Brown was great. Rozier too. Nader was consistent as he is been.

The first unit played well and the second unit was awful, specially on defense.

Yabusele and Nader got nice dunks. Jordan Mcrae got what he wanted with our defense. That little left kid that I forgot the name hit some shots in the end of game.

The refs were horrible. The game had like 50 fouls, seriously.

We started the game good, finished the 2 quarter really bad. Fought until the end, but lost the game in a disappointing way. Oh, and our SL coach is no good also.

That wasn't quick though, sorry for that.
Thanks . A tp for you instead of a therapy session.  ;)
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Re: Celtics (1-2) vs Cavaliers (1-2) Vegas SL Game #4 7/13/16
« Reply #246 on: July 13, 2016, 11:17:17 PM »

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I missed the game and only just saw the box score. Holy **** brown's stat line is great!! And rozier ain't chopped liver. Either.  Nader looks to be a SL warrior.  ;D

Tp to anyone. Who can give me a quick summary. Thanks.

Brown was great. Rozier too. Nader was consistent as he is been.

The first unit played well and the second unit was awful, specially on defense.

Yabusele and Nader got nice dunks. Jordan Mcrae got what he wanted with our defense. That little left kid that I forgot the name hit some shots in the end of game.

The refs were horrible. The game had like 50 fouls, seriously.

We started the game good, finished the 2 quarter really bad. Fought until the end, but lost the game in a disappointing way. Oh, and our SL coach is no good also.

That wasn't quick though, sorry for that.
Thanks . A tp for you instead of a therapy session.  ;)

Thanks for the TP man, it always nice to get one, specially considering that I just have a few, need to value them. :)
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Re: Celtics (1-2) vs Cavaliers (1-2) Vegas SL Game #4 7/13/16
« Reply #247 on: July 13, 2016, 11:19:04 PM »

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Brown had some eye opening takes to the rim.  Beautiful stuff.  The spin move and hop step were very nice.
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Re: Celtics (1-2) vs Cavaliers (1-2) Vegas SL Game #4 7/13/16
« Reply #248 on: July 13, 2016, 11:21:52 PM »

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So Young only played like 7 some minutes tonight with 0's across the board, and Hunter also sat the last fifteen minutes. I think it's safe to say that at least one of those two is off the main roster this year, probably Young.

That really sucks that we missed out on Hood, Harris, and Capella with a swing and a miss on Young.
Young was not in the main rotation for the previous game either. I'd say the writing is on the wall for him.

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« Reply #249 on: July 13, 2016, 11:23:05 PM »

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So Young only played like 7 some minutes tonight with 0's across the board, and Hunter also sat the last fifteen minutes. I think it's safe to say that at least one of those two is off the main roster this year, probably Young.

That really sucks that we missed out on Hood, Harris, and Capella with a swing and a miss on Young.

I know people keep pointing out that James Young is young.  But I'm going to mention it again because you mentioned Gary Harris.  Harris is a year older than Young.  His first year in the NBA was abominable.  He made James Young look good, and I'm not being hyperbolic.  His summer league last year did not portend anything special.  Even through December he was looking improved but still mediocre at best.  Now, he got the minutes because a) Denver want going anywhere and b) Chandler was hurt, and minutes might not be as readily available to Young.  That said, through their respective ages, Young isn't performing any worse than Harris was.  In other words, Gary Harris, who really learned to become an NBA player a few months after his 21st birthday after looking like dogmeat before then, should give you hope, not cause for dismay.

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« Reply #250 on: July 13, 2016, 11:23:08 PM »

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So Young only played like 7 some minutes tonight with 0's across the board, and Hunter also sat the last fifteen minutes. I think it's safe to say that at least one of those two is off the main roster this year, probably Young.

That really sucks that we missed out on Hood, Harris, and Capella with a swing and a miss on Young.
Young was not in the main rotation for the previous game either. I'd say the writing is on the wall for him.

We can only hope.

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« Reply #251 on: July 13, 2016, 11:27:48 PM »

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James Young could be a good basketball player. He has the tools. But he just seems to don't care to much about it. He just doesn't have the interest to be the best he can be. It's kinda like the Andrew Bynums, Nick Youngs of life. Guys who have the opportunity that millions of kids dream and they just don't give a Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. about it.

I have this impression with Young. He can be a good player, but he just doesn't want to put the effort needed to achieve a high level. He puts more effort on hairstyle, piercings, tattoos and all this other unnecessary crap.
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« Reply #252 on: July 13, 2016, 11:38:10 PM »

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So Young only played like 7 some minutes tonight with 0's across the board, and Hunter also sat the last fifteen minutes. I think it's safe to say that at least one of those two is off the main roster this year, probably Young.

That really sucks that we missed out on Hood, Harris, and Capella with a swing and a miss on Young.

I know people keep pointing out that James Young is young.  But I'm going to mention it again because you mentioned Gary Harris.  Harris is a year older than Young.  His first year in the NBA was abominable.  He made James Young look good, and I'm not being hyperbolic.  His summer league last year did not portend anything special.  Even through December he was looking improved but still mediocre at best.  Now, he got the minutes because a) Denver want going anywhere and b) Chandler was hurt, and minutes might not be as readily available to Young.  That said, through their respective ages, Young isn't performing any worse than Harris was.  In other words, Gary Harris, who really learned to become an NBA player a few months after his 21st birthday after looking like dogmeat before then, should give you hope, not cause for dismay.

Eh, I think there's a much bigger difference between the two than you're letting on. Yes, his first season was terrible offensively, but Harris is a very good defender that's not a match-up nightmare defensively. In all honesty, the only thing that Young does better offensively than Harris would be shoot the three, with a marginally better ability to rebound the ball. However, he's absolutely atrocious defensively, and he hasn't really shown any improvement on either side of the ball (outside of improving his shooting) the last two seasons/three summers. There's also character concerns with Young that aren't present with Harris, which has also contributed to his lack of development.

But honestly, I'm fine with him taking Young over Harris, because we already had Bradley, which seems to be Harris' ceiling. But I was a really big proponent of picking Capela, and I thought that was a major miss for him to pass over Capela for Young. And we all know Hood has out-shined Young, too, so those two are surely misses that we should've taken over Young in areas that we needed help with (back-up wing and center).

EDIT: At this point, I just don't think Young has the determination or motivation to be anything but a career back-up in the NBA. Though I'm not a big fan of Hunter, I'd rather him get minutes and a roster spot over Young. He at least provides BBIQ that Young doesn't.
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Re: Celtics (1-2) vs Cavaliers (1-2) Vegas SL Game #4 7/13/16
« Reply #253 on: July 13, 2016, 11:40:29 PM »

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Good game by Rozier but looking into it deeper, he is such a ball hog

Where are the extra passes? 

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It's Summer League. There supposed to play hero ball. Every guy on the court is out there to make the best impression they can. Looking for your shot is a positive in SL. I'd rather have Rozier and Brown be selfish and look to master plays they can make for themselves in the pros against better than NCAA competition than have then pass out to a wide open Malcom Miller or Ben Bentil for a missed jumper.

The results mean NOTHING. Rozier and Brown have shown that they deserve a spot in the rotation for the Celtics. Rozier looks ready to step into the Evan Turner role, and Brown looks like he has sky high potential. He's insanely explosive. This dude is going to get to the line at will in this league by the time he is 21. It's starting to look like a better defending DeMar DeRozen is his floor, while a more athletic Kawhi Leonard is his ceiling.

I wouldn't take much from SL except how a player looks in talent level compared to the competition, while remembering that this Celtic SL squad has a BUNCH of recent 1st and 2nd round picks and in the HeroBall SL, not every one of those guys can have the opportunity to take over. Rozier and Brown look to be a cut above the competition, which is great news. James Young and RJ aren't gonna have the same kind of opportunities to shine those guys do, so take what you can get out of them. I have a feeling one of those two guys plays a decent role of spot-up shooting off the bench.

We really do need to consolidate sole of these guys though. Barring any major trades, the CBS ten man rotation will look something like:

PG: Thomas/Rozier
SG: Bradley/Smart
SF: Crowder/Brown
PF: Olynyk/Jerebko
C: Horford/Johnson

So how much PT is really left for the Jordan Mickey's and James Young's of the world?

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« Reply #254 on: July 14, 2016, 12:23:24 AM »

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So Young only played like 7 some minutes tonight with 0's across the board, and Hunter also sat the last fifteen minutes. I think it's safe to say that at least one of those two is off the main roster this year, probably Young.

That really sucks that we missed out on Hood, Harris, and Capella with a swing and a miss on Young.

I know people keep pointing out that James Young is young.  But I'm going to mention it again because you mentioned Gary Harris.  Harris is a year older than Young.  His first year in the NBA was abominable.  He made James Young look good, and I'm not being hyperbolic.  His summer league last year did not portend anything special.  Even through December he was looking improved but still mediocre at best.  Now, he got the minutes because a) Denver want going anywhere and b) Chandler was hurt, and minutes might not be as readily available to Young.  That said, through their respective ages, Young isn't performing any worse than Harris was.  In other words, Gary Harris, who really learned to become an NBA player a few months after his 21st birthday after looking like dogmeat before then, should give you hope, not cause for dismay.

Eh, I think there's a much bigger difference between the two than you're letting on. Yes, his first season was terrible offensively, but Harris is a very good defender that's not a match-up nightmare defensively. In all honesty, the only thing that Young does better offensively than Harris would be shoot the three, with a marginally better ability to rebound the ball. However, he's absolutely atrocious defensively, and he hasn't really shown any improvement on either side of the ball (outside of improving his shooting) the last two seasons/three summers. There's also character concerns with Young that aren't present with Harris, which has also contributed to his lack of development.

But honestly, I'm fine with him taking Young over Harris, because we already had Bradley, which seems to be Harris' ceiling. But I was a really big proponent of picking Capela, and I thought that was a major miss for him to pass over Capela for Young. And we all know Hood has out-shined Young, too, so those two are surely misses that we should've taken over Young in areas that we needed help with (back-up wing and center).

Harris was not good defensively in year 1.  He was supposed to be good, but he wasn't.  He got some steals, but he committed a ton of fouls in doing so, and if you read the post-year reviews of those who covered the Nuggets, they were unimpressed on that end.  And his offense was downright terrible with an eFG% of 35.3, and a pretty high turnover rate for a low-usage guard.

But I bring up Harris in part for myself.  While I was adamant this time last year that it was already time to move on from Young, I also was pretty convinced Harris was a similar busy, especially since he was a year older.  And I was wrong on Harris, unequivocally.  So while I still hope Young is shipped out in some deal, and was a little disappointed he wasn't moved with pick 51 or 58 on draft night just to clear him from the roster, I'm holding out hope the light clicks in the next six months, just like it did for Harris last season. 

He really does have a sweet-looking shot. When I watch it, I expect it to go in after it's released.  He has a really valuable NBA-level skill, and an NBA build.  There's an NBA player there.  And I saw it more this summer league than I have before.  The 3-pointer went in a lot.  He had only one turnover in 120ish minutes, in games where turnovers were frequent.  He didn't commit many fouls, in games where auditioning refs called everything to show they know what fouls are.  If his defensive positioning gets better (and it has to a degree over two years), there is an immediate role on the Celtics for someone who can make open three pointers.  He doesn't need to be able to drive to the basket yet, or hit 15-footer.  He just needs to be able to hit an open three from the wing or corner, and continue to swing the ball around the perimeter if he receives a pass when he doesn't have the shot.

I'm not convinced his lack of minutes in Vegas said much about the Celtics views of him.  He made his shots in Utah, and the C's wanted to give minutes to Brown for obvious reasons, and also a lot of minutes to Yab and Nader, both of whom are still being considered for roster spots.  Unless there's a trade, Young has his.  Vegas is somewhat about skill development, but also definitely an early chance for teams to make roster decisions, and also maybe show off new draftees for trade purposes before they sign contracts.

I'm not remotely in love with James Young, and didn't like the pick then or now.  I do think there's a real chance he becomes useful this season, however.  And unlike many people, apparently, I thought he had a very good summer league that made me more optimistic.