Dan Lifshatz of 98.5 says C's gaining traction on large trade

[Alleyoopster]

IT- Rozier
AB- Hunter
Crowder- Jerebko
Horford- Amir
Noel- Zeller/Olynyk

Thats definitely the second seed in the east, and is definitely capable of beating Cleveland. I still think we could use a combo SG/SF player off the bench, but that's it.

Preposterous.  Indiana is definitely superior.  They had an excellent summer and Myles Turner will make a huge leap this year (likely All-Star).  Toronto would probably better than us based on the fact that they have size and strength that outmatches ours.  Don't forget that our team cannot rebound as currently constructed.  We gave up the 5th most 2nd chance points last year with Sully.  Without a suitable replacement for him we are going to be in real trouble.  Noel doesn't really provide that either.

One more thing - Evan Turner was a crucial player for us because he could create his own shot off the dribble.  Who will replace that?  Rozier can help, but not close to ET's level yet.

If anything I think we improved two areas (defense and big man shooting), but have dropped in two areas (rebounding and players creating their own shots).  I don't see how this means we've leaped over Toronto, let alone reaching Indiana.

TP Spot on.....

[tankcity!]

This guy hasn't even confirmed if a deal will go down. All he is saying is that there are discussions. This topic is way overblown. He literally said last night the Celtics will accept a deal if the price is right so basically nothing is happening and I could've went on twitter and posted the same things. We already knew all the crap this clown was spewing.

[Csfan1984]

How is the 2018 Nets pick and Smart (Even Rozier is probably better than him now) overpaying for Noel Smart is a redundant piece after having Bradley and Rozier and the 2018 Nets pick likely won't hold as much value.

I'd rather not gut our whole roster and trade for an overrated player like Griffin. Probably not Cousins either. For Davis I would do it.

Smart>Noel
2018 Nets pick >Noel

And if Smart is redundant then Noel is that for 76ers. So how do C's over pay? Also Nets off season was horrible look out two season they will be bottom 5 still. You don't deal a top 5 pick for Noel.

[WolfofCausewayStreet]

How is the 2018 Nets pick and Smart (Even Rozier is probably better than him now) overpaying for Noel Smart is a redundant piece after having Bradley and Rozier and the 2018 Nets pick likely won't hold as much value.

I'd rather not gut our whole roster and trade for an overrated player like Griffin. Probably not Cousins either. For Davis I would do it.

Why don't we just throw in Crowder and IT? You may not value Smart very much, but he is worth at least as much as the expiring Noel. There is no way we 'throw-in' a BKN pick with Smart just to bring in a slightly better version of Amir. And then there is the issue of paying Noel next year - does $25M+/yr excite you?

I think Noel is much better defensively than Amir right now, and has the potential of being a star player in a couple years. Highly doubt he'll get paid 25 million tho.

I would say trading our whole team for a fringe all star  Griffin, who may leave next season, is a horrible idea.

[RJ87]

This guy hasn't even confirmed if a deal will go down. All he is saying is that there are discussions. This topic is way overblown. He literally said last night the Celtics will accept a deal if the price is right so basically nothing is happening and I could've went on twitter and posted the same things. We already knew all the crap this clown was spewing.

His whole Twitter timeline is a joke. Even if he has been right in the past, this whole "idk if a deal will happen, but I can't tell you either way" is stupid. He should be embarrassed.

[Alleyoopster]

How is the 2018 Nets pick and Smart (Even Rozier is probably better than him now) overpaying for Noel Smart is a redundant piece after having Bradley and Rozier and the 2018 Nets pick likely won't hold as much value.

I'd rather not gut our whole roster and trade for an overrated player like Griffin. Probably not Cousins either. For Davis I would do it.

Why don't we just throw in Crowder and IT? You may not value Smart very much, but he is worth at least as much as the expiring Noel. There is no way we 'throw-in' a BKN pick with Smart just to bring in a slightly better version of Amir. And then there is the issue of paying Noel next year - does $25M+/yr excite you?

I think Noel is much better defensively than Amir right now, and has the potential of being a star player in a couple years. Highly doubt he'll get paid 25 million tho.

I would say trading our whole team for a fringe all star  Griffin, who may leave next season, is a horrible idea.

I agree with your Griffin assessment. The Clippers actually had a better record without him.

Other teams are looking for shooters. That means they are looking to get Isaiah and Avery.  We already lost Turner. Who is going to shoot the ball with any accuracy?

[RJ87]

How is the 2018 Nets pick and Smart (Even Rozier is probably better than him now) overpaying for Noel Smart is a redundant piece after having Bradley and Rozier and the 2018 Nets pick likely won't hold as much value.

I'd rather not gut our whole roster and trade for an overrated player like Griffin. Probably not Cousins either. For Davis I would do it.

Why don't we just throw in Crowder and IT? You may not value Smart very much, but he is worth at least as much as the expiring Noel. There is no way we 'throw-in' a BKN pick with Smart just to bring in a slightly better version of Amir. And then there is the issue of paying Noel next year - does $25M+/yr excite you?

I think Noel is much better defensively than Amir right now, and has the potential of being a star player in a couple years. Highly doubt he'll get paid 25 million tho.

I would say trading our whole team for a fringe all star  Griffin, who may leave next season, is a horrible idea.

Griffin is a 5x All-Star and 4x All-NBA selection. I know people have their binky players that they're attached to and don't want to see traded, but my goodness.

[oldtype]

Some people are going to be shocked when Noel gets moved sometime between now and the deadline for a couple mid first-round picks because nobody wants to pay him the max under the highest salary cap ever.

[manl_lui]

How is the 2018 Nets pick and Smart (Even Rozier is probably better than him now) overpaying for Noel Smart is a redundant piece after having Bradley and Rozier and the 2018 Nets pick likely won't hold as much value.

I'd rather not gut our whole roster and trade for an overrated player like Griffin. Probably not Cousins either. For Davis I would do it.

Why don't we just throw in Crowder and IT? You may not value Smart very much, but he is worth at least as much as the expiring Noel. There is no way we 'throw-in' a BKN pick with Smart just to bring in a slightly better version of Amir. And then there is the issue of paying Noel next year - does $25M+/yr excite you?

I think Noel is much better defensively than Amir right now, and has the potential of being a star player in a couple years. Highly doubt he'll get paid 25 million tho.

I would say trading our whole team for a fringe all star  Griffin, who may leave next season, is a horrible idea.

Griffin is a 5x All-Star and 4x All-NBA selection. I know people have their binky players that they're attached to, but my goodness.

in what way is Griffin a fringe? fringe is when you call a player who may or may not make the all-star team, or the bar should be non-starter all-star

fringe is what you call Rondo at this point or Teague

[WolfofCausewayStreet]

How is the 2018 Nets pick and Smart (Even Rozier is probably better than him now) overpaying for Noel Smart is a redundant piece after having Bradley and Rozier and the 2018 Nets pick likely won't hold as much value.

I'd rather not gut our whole roster and trade for an overrated player like Griffin. Probably not Cousins either. For Davis I would do it.

Why don't we just throw in Crowder and IT? You may not value Smart very much, but he is worth at least as much as the expiring Noel. There is no way we 'throw-in' a BKN pick with Smart just to bring in a slightly better version of Amir. And then there is the issue of paying Noel next year - does $25M+/yr excite you?

I think Noel is much better defensively than Amir right now, and has the potential of being a star player in a couple years. Highly doubt he'll get paid 25 million tho.

I would say trading our whole team for a fringe all star  Griffin, who may leave next season, is a horrible idea.

I agree with your Griffin assessment. The Clippers actually had a better record without him.

Other teams are looking for shooters. That means they are looking to get Isaiah and Avery.  We already lost Turner. Who is going to shoot the ball with any accuracy?

If we end up losing IT or Avery Danny would be probably be making a terrible mistake. I think RJ Hunter is ready tho. He has shown that he is a decent defender (unlike Young) and a fantastic shooter and I think he will be our first option off the bench as an SG. Danny still has to make a couple moves tho. A fringe all-star/quality player for our front court, and an SF/SG combo off of the bench that can shoot. Either through FA next year or at a decent price this offseason (which doesn't seem to be the case at the moment).

[PAOBoston]

I'm not putting too much stock into these rumors. I think a these " sources" are ridiculous.

I think what you see is what you get, maybe a small tweak here or there. I don't think we'll see any big moves for the rest of the summer. The truth is I'd rather the C's continue to stay in a holding pattern and just try to add through FA again. They'll have the space and still have the assets to make a trade.

IT, Bradley, Crowder, Olynyk/Johnson, Horford is a solid starting 5, a top 3 team in the East. Stay the course. You never know how it will play out.

[WolfofCausewayStreet]

Alright, Griffin is not a fringe. Definitely overrated tho.

Not a great defender. He can score and pass well, but apart from that its not worth it. Clippers would want too much.

[chambers]

The last playoffs that Blake Griffin played when healthy, he was a top 3 player.

his averages off the top of my head were 28 points, 12.5 rebounds and 7 assists vs the Spurs and Thunder.

[chambers]

I'll add that when healthy, Blake is an MVP contender.
This is our chance to gain a true top 5 NBA player.

Doc would be an absolute moron to give him up, and I don't think Doc is a moron.
So this is probably not happening.

[Csfan1984]

Some people are going to be shocked when Noel gets moved sometime between now and the deadline for a couple mid first-round picks because nobody wants to pay him the max under the highest salary cap ever.

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