Jaylen Brown is low-ceiling (in my opinion)

[Cooze]

To me we do this every year. This guy is a reach, this guy sucks, this guy is going to be the best player to ever wear green...

I'll say this:
I'll take a kid with an above average IQ, that looks up to someone that was an NBA legend (Kobe), and sets a high goal at the age of 19 with somewhat of a mean streak over any player picked. This kid has the intangibles that could make him great. It's been 1 1/2 summer league games and he got a little banged up and got off on the wrong foot. I think in time we might look back at these threads and see the ridiculousness of them all.  One thing I'll say about this guy is that he is already on the path to wanting to be the best and not a beta like Durant.

Now I say that with tempered expectations, but I'll take the angry alpha over the gifted beta every day of the week. I think that ainge sees that too which is why they drafted him. It might take a couple years but I really believe he won't disappoint.

[WolfofCausewayStreet]

Jaylen Brown will end up, 90% sure, as a poor man's Kawhi Leonard. 15 pts, 5 reb, 3 ast. There is a 10% chance he could become close to Kawhi, as good as Kawhi, or slightly better imo.

The qualities that make him relatively high ceiling- NBA ready body at 19, intelligence, attitude, defensive ability (except that he seems to fall for pump fakes too often) and athleticism.

The quality that could make him a bust: has very little feel for the game.

His shooting is nothing to worry about folks. He will never be elite shooter, but he doesn't have any hitches in his shot and his form is pretty good. He has already improved that shot since his time in Cali and by the time he is 22-23 he should be a good shooter.

However, the feel definitely worries me. It ends up in lack of control, bad passes, bad shot decisions, etc.

Seems weird when Brown gets credit for intelligence when his basketball intelligence is low.  I don't think it matters if he is a genius off the court.

I think it goes hand in hand with his attitude. Good decisions off the court could translate to a good work ethic.

[tankcity!]

To me we do this every year. This guy is a reach, this guy sucks, this guy is going to be the best player to ever wear green...

I'll say this:
I'll take a kid with an above average IQ, that looks up to someone that was an NBA legend (Kobe), and sets a high goal at the age of 19 with somewhat of a mean streak over any player picked. This kid has the intangibles that could make him great. It's been 1 1/2 summer league games and he got a little banged up and got off on the wrong foot. I think in time we might look back at these threads and see the ridiculousness of them all.  One thing I'll say about this guy is that he is already on the path to wanting to be the best and not a beta like Durant.

Now I say that with tempered expectations, but I'll take the angry alpha over the gifted beta every day of the week. I think that ainge sees that too which is why they drafted him. It might take a couple years but I really believe he won't disappoint.

Same. Brown is gifted. If he puts the work in, he can become great. I believe he will put the work in. It's that simple. Will he work hard, or won't he. That will decide his future.

[PhoSita]

After watching Brown in Summer League I'm thinking he's gonna become a player similar to Moe Harkless or Harrison Barnes.  Maybe in a best case scenario he trends in that direction with some Demar Derozan dribble drive traits thrown in.

[moiso]

To me we do this every year. This guy is a reach, this guy sucks, this guy is going to be the best player to ever wear green...

I'll say this:
I'll take a kid with an above average IQ, that looks up to someone that was an NBA legend (Kobe), and sets a high goal at the age of 19 with somewhat of a mean streak over any player picked. This kid has the intangibles that could make him great. It's been 1 1/2 summer league games and he got a little banged up and got off on the wrong foot. I think in time we might look back at these threads and see the ridiculousness of them all.  One thing I'll say about this guy is that he is already on the path to wanting to be the best and not a beta like Durant.

Now I say that with tempered expectations, but I'll take the angry alpha over the gifted beta every day of the week. I think that ainge sees that too which is why they drafted him. It might take a couple years but I really believe he won't disappoint.

Same. Brown is gifted. If he puts the work in, he can become great. I believe he will put the work in. It's that simple. Will he work hard, or won't he. That will decide his future.

He will put in the work, but if he's basketball dumb it won't matter. 

[86MaxwellSmart]

Ainge has Blown HALF of the Brooklyn Picks....let that sink in.

[Ilikesports17]

After watching Brown in Summer League I'm thinking he's gonna become a player similar to Moe Harkless or Harrison Barnes.  Maybe in a best case scenario he trends in that direction with some Demar Derozan dribble drive traits thrown in.

76 summer league minutes should not have much of an impact on your evaluation.

[tankcity!]

After watching Brown in Summer League I'm thinking he's gonna become a player similar to Moe Harkless or Harrison Barnes.  Maybe in a best case scenario he trends in that direction with some Demar Derozan dribble drive traits thrown in.

So you don't think his defense could be special?

[Ilikesports17]

Ainge has Blown HALF of the Brooklyn Picks....let that sink in.

Brown is not a blown pick yet. This is the type of comment that makes posters look dumb. People hated the Kristaps pick. People loved Charlotte nabbing Vonleh in '14.

chill the Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. out.

[PhoSita]

After watching Brown in Summer League I'm thinking he's gonna become a player similar to Moe Harkless or Harrison Barnes.  Maybe in a best case scenario he trends in that direction with some Demar Derozan dribble drive traits thrown in.

So you don't think his defense could be special?

No, unless he improves in a huge way as a team defender.

[Beat LA]

Ainge has Blown HALF of the Brooklyn Picks....let that sink in.

Brown is not a blown pick yet. This is the type of comment that makes posters look dumb. People hated the Kristaps pick. People loved Charlotte nabbing Vonleh in '14.

chill the **** out.

Didn't you hear - Demetrius Jackson is already the best point guard on our roster. *facepalm* Ugh.

[Ilikesports17]

Ainge has Blown HALF of the Brooklyn Picks....let that sink in.

Brown is not a blown pick yet. This is the type of comment that makes posters look dumb. People hated the Kristaps pick. People loved Charlotte nabbing Vonleh in '14.

chill the **** out.

Didn't you hear - Demetrius Jackson is already the best point guard on our roster. *facepalm* Ugh.

lol

Im honestly surprised how bad hes been. I thought hed force Brad to give him minutes now Im not sure if hell even make the team!

Its just important not to judge a pick too strongly yet. I think you can be against the Brown pick with reasonable concerns while also allowing for the idea that it could well turn out to be a good pick. Scouting is flawed. The best scouts in the world miss guys all the time. The pick might have been blown and it might not have been. Lets at least wait till we see these guys in real NBA action shall we?

[spikelovetheCelts]

How can someone with this many threads have a low ceiling with all this energy flowing to the Guy. The Sky is the limit for Mr. Brown for sure.

[passesofftodj]

Paul George

Position: Forward
Height: 6-7
School: Fresno State
Career: 63 G, 15.5 PPG, 6.7 RPG, 2.4 APG

Kawhi Leonard

Position: Forward
Height: 6-7 ▪ Weight: 225
School: San Diego State
Career: 70 G, 14.1 PPG, 10.2 RPG, 2.2 APG

Jaylen Brown

Position: Forward
Height: 6-7 ▪ Weight: 225
Hometown: Marietta, GA
High School: Wheeler HS
School: University of California
Career: 34 G, 14.6 PPG, 5.4 RPG, 2.0 APG

See any similarities?

Sounds like 15ppg is the magic #! 😃

Honestly, this pretty much makes my point for me. Both Pierce and George were picked at #10. There's a reason for that. For every Pierce and George there are five Al-Farouq Aminu's, which is why those guys fall to #10. Dunn will be the better player over his career, I'm sure of it. I think Ainge was just scared of having Thomas, Smart, and Dunn all on the same team.

I thought your concern was about his ceiling?

That still is my concern. He's obviously a low-floor player... he's coming in with virtually no skill other than an ability to get to the rim and some raw physical tools. But I think his ceiling is low outside of the possibility that he has some crazy leap in his game that in theory could happen to any player. By far, the most likely scenario is that he develops enough to be merely adequate on offense, and good on defense. The second most likely scenario is that he busts. In other words I think in 9 out of 10 scenarios this kid becomes just an average to slightly above average player. That's ok for a Marcus Smart/6th pick situation, but at the 3rd pick you should be aiming higher.

I still have no idea why you'd take him over Jamal Murray. Furthermore other than age and his position, I can't see any justification whatsoever for taking him over Dunn. And the ultimate irony is that 1) from a position perspective, the reason why taking Dunn would have been bad is because there's a logjam at point guard which Ainge himself carelessly created, and which is now finally coming back to bite him in the ass. I've always hated that Ainge ignored position, and he's picked a really odd time to start finally drafting for position/need. A bad time to start doing so, in fact. 2) As far as age is concerned, yeah, Dunn is older, but he's also much better. OUR BEST CASE SCENARIO FOR BROWN IS LITERALLY HE DEVELOPS OVER 3 YEARS TO THE POINT WHERE DUNN CURRENTLY IS NOW. Sorry to use all caps, but what the hell is the point of drafting a young guy so he can develop when you've already got a finished project in front of you, ESPECIALLY when you just got to the playoffs and picked up another all-star?

The more I even think about this pick the less sense it makes, other than the fact that Ainge and Grousbeck think they know something that wasn't born out in his college stats. I suspect that that something is him hitting 76/100 3's in an empty gym, which is to me completely and utterly worthless information.

I think you are hinting at exactly why I have issues with the current Celtic strategy.  Brown is clearly a project that is going to take a couple years to demonstrate whether he is a bust or not.  If you were going to create a logjam of young projects why would you sign Horford to a max contract?

I understand the desire to build for the future while being competitive now given the value of the Brooklyn picks, but wouldn't Dunn have offered the ability to compete now, the possibilities of a trade, as well as a higher chance of medium term stardom?

In other words with LeBron and the Warriors entrenched for the next several years what is the point of simultaneously getting extremely young projects and aging expensive veterans while developing role players?

[celticsclay]

To me we do this every year. This guy is a reach, this guy sucks, this guy is going to be the best player to ever wear green...

I'll say this:
I'll take a kid with an above average IQ, that looks up to someone that was an NBA legend (Kobe), and sets a high goal at the age of 19 with somewhat of a mean streak over any player picked. This kid has the intangibles that could make him great. It's been 1 1/2 summer league games and he got a little banged up and got off on the wrong foot. I think in time we might look back at these threads and see the ridiculousness of them all.  One thing I'll say about this guy is that he is already on the path to wanting to be the best and not a beta like Durant.

Now I say that with tempered expectations, but I'll take the angry alpha over the gifted beta every day of the week. I think that ainge sees that too which is why they drafted him. It might take a couple years but I really believe he won't disappoint.

I find these threads a bit embarrassing as a Celtics fan. It makes us look utterly impatient and probably does not endear our players to us. The guy is 19 and has played a game and a half of summer league and we know his career path more than the many people that do this professionally for a living? I mean come on.