Jaylen Brown is low-ceiling (in my opinion)

[Celtic_Pride777]

justin winslow should be your bench mark this season-also jaylen will adapt and he looks the type to play better with the big boys-he is trying to hard

I actually think Justise Winslow is a great comparison, and that's also what troubles me.

Winslow had a higher TS% and 3p% than Brown, and he struggled mightily on offense this year. He also had higher steals, rebounds and blocks per 40 minutes, and overall much more favorable advanced stats. AND HE WENT 10th! Brown is a massive reach at #3.

That's what most frustrating...because we could have traded that pick and Brown could've still fallen to us, had we moved up into the mid 1st-round.

Paul George

Position: Forward
Height: 6-7
School: Fresno State
Career: 63 G, 15.5 PPG, 6.7 RPG, 2.4 APG

Kawhi Leonard

Position: Forward
Height: 6-7 ▪ Weight: 225
School: San Diego State
Career: 70 G, 14.1 PPG, 10.2 RPG, 2.2 APG

Jaylen Brown

Position: Forward
Height: 6-7 ▪ Weight: 225
Hometown: Marietta, GA
High School: Wheeler HS
School: University of California
Career: 34 G, 14.6 PPG, 5.4 RPG, 2.0 APG

See any similarities?

Sounds like 15ppg is the magic #! 😃

Honestly, this pretty much makes my point for me. Both Pierce and George were picked at #10. There's a reason for that. For every Pierce and George there are five Al-Farouq Aminu's, which is why those guys fall to #10. Dunn will be the better player over his career, I'm sure of it. I think Ainge was just scared of having Thomas, Smart, and Dunn all on the same team.

Can you blame him? Picking Dunn would have depreciated all of our assets because teams would know we have a billion undersized guards, some of which we need to trade. It would be exactly like Philly with their glut of bigs.

This is a good point. We knew other teams were likely to have selected Dunn in our position, so we still could have traded the pick as part of a package.

Maybe Danny will still find a way to make a trade, but Brown isn't that desirable as a trade chip - not as much as Dunn.

[apc]

How is a frosh season with only 25 mpg at 19 a sample size enough for the data found ?

You can't assume anything with his college stats. Not enough there

Big gamble for a #3.

In this draft everyone out of the top two were a gamble.

[cltc5]

Ya know who else is 19 years old and plays for the Celtics...James young.  Just sayin

[Ilikesports17]

Paul George

Position: Forward
Height: 6-7
School: Fresno State
Career: 63 G, 15.5 PPG, 6.7 RPG, 2.4 APG

Kawhi Leonard

Position: Forward
Height: 6-7 ▪ Weight: 225
School: San Diego State
Career: 70 G, 14.1 PPG, 10.2 RPG, 2.2 APG

Jaylen Brown

Position: Forward
Height: 6-7 ▪ Weight: 225
Hometown: Marietta, GA
High School: Wheeler HS
School: University of California
Career: 34 G, 14.6 PPG, 5.4 RPG, 2.0 APG

See any similarities?

Sounds like 15ppg is the magic #! 😃

Honestly, this pretty much makes my point for me. Both Pierce and George were picked at #10. There's a reason for that. For every Pierce and George there are five Al-Farouq Aminu's, which is why those guys fall to #10. Dunn will be the better player over his career, I'm sure of it. I think Ainge was just scared of having Thomas, Smart, and Dunn all on the same team.

I thought your concern was about his ceiling?

[yoursweatersux]

Paul George

Position: Forward
Height: 6-7
School: Fresno State
Career: 63 G, 15.5 PPG, 6.7 RPG, 2.4 APG

Kawhi Leonard

Position: Forward
Height: 6-7 ▪ Weight: 225
School: San Diego State
Career: 70 G, 14.1 PPG, 10.2 RPG, 2.2 APG

Jaylen Brown

Position: Forward
Height: 6-7 ▪ Weight: 225
Hometown: Marietta, GA
High School: Wheeler HS
School: University of California
Career: 34 G, 14.6 PPG, 5.4 RPG, 2.0 APG

See any similarities?

Sounds like 15ppg is the magic #! 😃

Honestly, this pretty much makes my point for me. Both Pierce and George were picked at #10. There's a reason for that. For every Pierce and George there are five Al-Farouq Aminu's, which is why those guys fall to #10. Dunn will be the better player over his career, I'm sure of it. I think Ainge was just scared of having Thomas, Smart, and Dunn all on the same team.

I thought your concern was about his ceiling?

That still is my concern. He's obviously a low-floor player... he's coming in with virtually no skill other than an ability to get to the rim and some raw physical tools. But I think his ceiling is low outside of the possibility that he has some crazy leap in his game that in theory could happen to any player. By far, the most likely scenario is that he develops enough to be merely adequate on offense, and good on defense. The second most likely scenario is that he busts. In other words I think in 9 out of 10 scenarios this kid becomes just an average to slightly above average player. That's ok for a Marcus Smart/6th pick situation, but at the 3rd pick you should be aiming higher.

I still have no idea why you'd take him over Jamal Murray. Furthermore other than age and his position, I can't see any justification whatsoever for taking him over Dunn. And the ultimate irony is that 1) from a position perspective, the reason why taking Dunn would have been bad is because there's a logjam at point guard which Ainge himself carelessly created, and which is now finally coming back to bite him in the ass. I've always hated that Ainge ignored position, and he's picked a really odd time to start finally drafting for position/need. A bad time to start doing so, in fact. 2) As far as age is concerned, yeah, Dunn is older, but he's also much better. OUR BEST CASE SCENARIO FOR BROWN IS LITERALLY HE DEVELOPS OVER 3 YEARS TO THE POINT WHERE DUNN CURRENTLY IS NOW. Sorry to use all caps, but what the hell is the point of drafting a young guy so he can develop when you've already got a finished project in front of you, ESPECIALLY when you just got to the playoffs and picked up another all-star?

The more I even think about this pick the less sense it makes, other than the fact that Ainge and Grousbeck think they know something that wasn't born out in his college stats. I suspect that that something is him hitting 76/100 3's in an empty gym, which is to me completely and utterly worthless information.

[rickyfan3.0...]

I agree 100%. I know he might be hurt, BUT he's definitely a step slow and doesn't seem to have NBA level coordination. His handle is bad, his hands are bad, he's NOT explosive, he doesn't have touch, he's not quick...

I am trying not to panic bc this is maybe the most pivotal pick in the extended Ainge ERA... But I really do not like him. He doesn't look like he has fire or feel for the game.

I hate this player. I think he got picked over Dunn bc Ainge is getting impatient and he 'fits ' this team better. Problem is, he wasn't the BPA.

It's still REALLY early obviously, but I think he has real Bust potential, and I think he has a very low ceiling. This guy will never be a great player, because he is not a good basketball player yet.

I have the same sinking feeling that I had the first time I watched Gerald Green play.

[Ilikesports17]

I agree 100%. I know he might be hurt, BUT he's definitely a step slow and doesn't seem to have NBA level coordination. His handle is bad, his hands are bad, he's NOT explosive, he doesn't have touch, he's not quick...

I am trying not to panic bc this is maybe the most pivotal pick in the extended Ainge ERA... But I really do not like him. He doesn't look like he has fire or feel for the game.

I hate this player. I think he got picked over Dunn bc Ainge is getting impatient and he 'fits ' this team better. Problem is, he wasn't the BPA.

It's still REALLY early obviously, but I think he has real Bust potential, and I think he has a very low ceiling. This guy will never be a great player, because he is not a good basketball player yet.

I have the same sinking feeling that I had the first time I watched Gerald Green play.

His touch is bad and a big concern, but he absolutely is quick and explosive. His handle isnt super but calling it bad seems a bit much.

The seconded bolded bit contains logic that makes no sense.

There are plenty of legit criticisms of brown. Im very worried about his feel for the game and his inability to finish at the rim, but quickness and explosiveness seem like pretty invalid criticisms.

[konkmv]

I totally disagree. I think he will be fine

[Alleyoopster]

Paul George

Position: Forward
Height: 6-7
School: Fresno State
Career: 63 G, 15.5 PPG, 6.7 RPG, 2.4 APG

Kawhi Leonard

Position: Forward
Height: 6-7 ▪ Weight: 225
School: San Diego State
Career: 70 G, 14.1 PPG, 10.2 RPG, 2.2 APG

Jaylen Brown

Position: Forward
Height: 6-7 ▪ Weight: 225
Hometown: Marietta, GA
High School: Wheeler HS
School: University of California
Career: 34 G, 14.6 PPG, 5.4 RPG, 2.0 APG

See any similarities?

Sounds like 15ppg is the magic #! 😃

Honestly, this pretty much makes my point for me. Both Pierce and George were picked at #10. There's a reason for that. For every Pierce and George there are five Al-Farouq Aminu's, which is why those guys fall to #10. Dunn will be the better player over his career, I'm sure of it. I think Ainge was just scared of having Thomas, Smart, and Dunn all on the same team.

I thought your concern was about his ceiling?

That still is my concern. He's obviously a low-floor player... he's coming in with virtually no skill other than an ability to get to the rim and some raw physical tools. But I think his ceiling is low outside of the possibility that he has some crazy leap in his game that in theory could happen to any player. By far, the most likely scenario is that he develops enough to be merely adequate on offense, and good on defense. The second most likely scenario is that he busts. In other words I think in 9 out of 10 scenarios this kid becomes just an average to slightly above average player. That's ok for a Marcus Smart/6th pick situation, but at the 3rd pick you should be aiming higher.

I still have no idea why you'd take him over Jamal Murray. Furthermore other than age and his position, I can't see any justification whatsoever for taking him over Dunn. And the ultimate irony is that 1) from a position perspective, the reason why taking Dunn would have been bad is because there's a logjam at point guard which Ainge himself carelessly created, and which is now finally coming back to bite him in the ass. I've always hated that Ainge ignored position, and he's picked a really odd time to start finally drafting for position/need. A bad time to start doing so, in fact. 2) As far as age is concerned, yeah, Dunn is older, but he's also much better. OUR BEST CASE SCENARIO FOR BROWN IS LITERALLY HE DEVELOPS OVER 3 YEARS TO THE POINT WHERE DUNN CURRENTLY IS NOW. Sorry to use all caps, but what the hell is the point of drafting a young guy so he can develop when you've already got a finished project in front of you, ESPECIALLY when you just got to the playoffs and picked up another all-star?

The more I even think about this pick the less sense it makes, other than the fact that Ainge and Grousbeck think they know something that wasn't born out in his college stats. I suspect that that something is him hitting 76/100 3's in an empty gym, which is to me completely and utterly worthless information.

In my opinion his ability to get to rim (in itself) negates the low floor label. In his first SL game he took something like 13 foul shots. Something that James Harden specializes in. This was a great sign.

[BitterJim]

Paul George

Position: Forward
Height: 6-7
School: Fresno State
Career: 63 G, 15.5 PPG, 6.7 RPG, 2.4 APG

Kawhi Leonard

Position: Forward
Height: 6-7 ▪ Weight: 225
School: San Diego State
Career: 70 G, 14.1 PPG, 10.2 RPG, 2.2 APG

Jaylen Brown

Position: Forward
Height: 6-7 ▪ Weight: 225
Hometown: Marietta, GA
High School: Wheeler HS
School: University of California
Career: 34 G, 14.6 PPG, 5.4 RPG, 2.0 APG

See any similarities?

Sounds like 15ppg is the magic #! 😃

Honestly, this pretty much makes my point for me. Both Pierce and George were picked at #10. There's a reason for that. For every Pierce and George there are five Al-Farouq Aminu's, which is why those guys fall to #10. Dunn will be the better player over his career, I'm sure of it. I think Ainge was just scared of having Thomas, Smart, and Dunn all on the same team.

I thought your concern was about his ceiling?

That still is my concern. He's obviously a low-floor player... he's coming in with virtually no skill other than an ability to get to the rim and some raw physical tools. But I think his ceiling is low outside of the possibility that he has some crazy leap in his game that in theory could happen to any player. By far, the most likely scenario is that he develops enough to be merely adequate on offense, and good on defense. The second most likely scenario is that he busts. In other words I think in 9 out of 10 scenarios this kid becomes just an average to slightly above average player. That's ok for a Marcus Smart/6th pick situation, but at the 3rd pick you should be aiming higher.

I still have no idea why you'd take him over Jamal Murray. Furthermore other than age and his position, I can't see any justification whatsoever for taking him over Dunn. And the ultimate irony is that 1) from a position perspective, the reason why taking Dunn would have been bad is because there's a logjam at point guard which Ainge himself carelessly created, and which is now finally coming back to bite him in the ass. I've always hated that Ainge ignored position, and he's picked a really odd time to start finally drafting for position/need. A bad time to start doing so, in fact. 2) As far as age is concerned, yeah, Dunn is older, but he's also much better. OUR BEST CASE SCENARIO FOR BROWN IS LITERALLY HE DEVELOPS OVER 3 YEARS TO THE POINT WHERE DUNN CURRENTLY IS NOW. Sorry to use all caps, but what the hell is the point of drafting a young guy so he can develop when you've already got a finished project in front of you, ESPECIALLY when you just got to the playoffs and picked up another all-star?

The more I even think about this pick the less sense it makes, other than the fact that Ainge and Grousbeck think they know something that wasn't born out in his college stats. I suspect that that something is him hitting 76/100 3's in an empty gym, which is to me completely and utterly worthless information.

Let's wait until Dunn at least plays an NBA game before calling him a finished product or inducting him into the HOF

[hodgy03038]

In my opinion his ability to get to rim (in itself) negates the low floor label. In his first SL game he took something like 13 foul shots. Something that James Harden specializes in. This was a great sign.

It was actually 17 foul shots in game 1. Now he just has to work on making most of them.

[rickyfan3.0...]

NOT quick. At all.

[droopdog7]

I agree 100%. I know he might be hurt, BUT he's definitely a step slow and doesn't seem to have NBA level coordination. His handle is bad, his hands are bad, he's NOT explosive, he doesn't have touch, he's not quick...

I am trying not to panic bc this is maybe the most pivotal pick in the extended Ainge ERA... But I really do not like him. He doesn't look like he has fire or feel for the game.

I hate this player. I think he got picked over Dunn bc Ainge is getting impatient and he 'fits ' this team better. Problem is, he wasn't the BPA.

It's still REALLY early obviously, but I think he has real Bust potential, and I think he has a very low ceiling. This guy will never be a great player, because he is not a good basketball player yet.

I have the same sinking feeling that I had the first time I watched Gerald Green play.

You didn't mention his name so I can only assume you're talking about smart or something?  Because most of those things don't describe brown at all.  I mean, not even close.

[spikelovetheCelts]

Paul George

Position: Forward
Height: 6-7
School: Fresno State
Career: 63 G, 15.5 PPG, 6.7 RPG, 2.4 APG

Kawhi Leonard

Position: Forward
Height: 6-7 ▪ Weight: 225
School: San Diego State
Career: 70 G, 14.1 PPG, 10.2 RPG, 2.2 APG

Jaylen Brown

Position: Forward
Height: 6-7 ▪ Weight: 225
Hometown: Marietta, GA
High School: Wheeler HS
School: University of California
Career: 34 G, 14.6 PPG, 5.4 RPG, 2.0 APG

See any similarities?

Sounds like 15ppg is the magic #! 😃

Honestly, this pretty much makes my point for me. Both Pierce and George were picked at #10. There's a reason for that. For every Pierce and George there are five Al-Farouq Aminu's, which is why those guys fall to #10. Dunn will be the better player over his career, I'm sure of it. I think Ainge was just scared of having Thomas, Smart, and Dunn all on the same team.

I thought your concern was about his ceiling?

That still is my concern. He's obviously a low-floor player... he's coming in with virtually no skill other than an ability to get to the rim and some raw physical tools. But I think his ceiling is low outside of the possibility that he has some crazy leap in his game that in theory could happen to any player. By far, the most likely scenario is that he develops enough to be merely adequate on offense, and good on defense. The second most likely scenario is that he busts. In other words I think in 9 out of 10 scenarios this kid becomes just an average to slightly above average player. That's ok for a Marcus Smart/6th pick situation, but at the 3rd pick you should be aiming higher.

I still have no idea why you'd take him over Jamal Murray. Furthermore other than age and his position, I can't see any justification whatsoever for taking him over Dunn. And the ultimate irony is that 1) from a position perspective, the reason why taking Dunn would have been bad is because there's a logjam at point guard which Ainge himself carelessly created, and which is now finally coming back to bite him in the ass. I've always hated that Ainge ignored position, and he's picked a really odd time to start finally drafting for position/need. A bad time to start doing so, in fact. 2) As far as age is concerned, yeah, Dunn is older, but he's also much better. OUR BEST CASE SCENARIO FOR BROWN IS LITERALLY HE DEVELOPS OVER 3 YEARS TO THE POINT WHERE DUNN CURRENTLY IS NOW. Sorry to use all caps, but what the hell is the point of drafting a young guy so he can develop when you've already got a finished project in front of you, ESPECIALLY when you just got to the playoffs and picked up another all-star?

The more I even think about this pick the less sense it makes, other than the fact that Ainge and Grousbeck think they know something that wasn't born out in his college stats. I suspect that that something is him hitting 76/100 3's in an empty gym, which is to me completely and utterly worthless information.

Let's wait until Dunn at least plays an NBA game before calling him a finished product or inducting him into the HOF

He is three years young than Dunn. He looked pretty solid when he stroked those 3's in summer league too. Maybe Dunn maybe a tad better but we have more years too. Nobody would make a trade so we went with a wing who could take it to the rack. I like the pick myself. I think CBS wanted him as well. He knows a thing or two about basketball.

[GratefulCs]

NOT quick. At all.

really!?

For his size he's super fast