Sully is no longer a celtics

[GratefulCs]

Another wasted first round draft choice.

Oh please. The only guys who are having good careers after Sully is Green, Crowder and Middelton and they were second rounders, so every one missed on those  guys. Everyone else is average or below.

Sully has all the tools to be good. Had shown flashes of being a really good player in this league and if you saw his highschool videos when he was in shape, dude could move well. They didn't know he'd get lazy with his diet and not work at it as much as he should.

Thats not a wasted pick. Thats a pick wasting his career.

Excuses, excuses, excuses. The Ainge alibi machine operating full bore.

Sullinger - let him walk. His back and his weight were well known.

Melo - disastrous, idiotic pick.

And who chose both of them?

Re: 2012 NBA Draft Thread
« Reply #700 on: June 28, 2012, 09:45:46 PM »
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Like the Sullinger pick a lot. He'll help us.

Absolutely hate the Fab Melo pick. Danny just drafted another O'Bryant clone.

Passing on Perry Jones for Melo? Unless Jones is about to have a leg amputation, you're going to have a difficult time justifying that.

B grade.

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Coach bo.. Come on man

[walker834]

I just did a search on my old board and  i'm raving about draymond green and that I wonder if Chad Ford having us targetting Sully is a mistake. Said I liked both but I was really raving about Green before that draft.  No one believed me per usual. SAid we should take both and that I liked both if they slid..

This past draft I said Ainge was going to surprise us at 16 and take a big at 23 as well. I wanted ainge to target a m ore offensive version of jerebko there and he found Yab.  Good job.  We got our Draymond in the end.

I'm not even bragging but I'm right a lot on this stuff what I feel in my gut and head.  It's ridiculous how often I do that. I can brag because it's true.

[Lucky17]

Perhaps Salt or BudC can elaborate on this: what is the Celtics cap situation like now?

Is it possible that this might flush out offers for Sully, and possible sign and trades?

[MBunge]

There had to be other things Ainge could do to clear space for Horford.  Sully was too productive during the regular season to just give up on him.  If someone offers him a deal you can't match, that's one thing.  This only makes sense as needing a roster spot for a future trade/signing and giving a break to Sully and his agent.

Mike

[saltlover]

Perhaps Salt or BudC can elaborate on this: what is the Celtics cap situation like now?

Is it possible that this might flush out offers for Sully, and possible sign and trades?

We can no longer sign and trade Sully with this move.  The Celtics have a minimal amount of cap room unless/until the same thing that happened with Sully happens with Zeller.  The current amount of cap room is really only useful to sign second-round picks to contracts of 3 or 4 years in length.  A free agent is best signed with the room exception.

It's been sometimes said the Celtics have $10 mil in cap room.  That was never really the case exactly -- it assumes that both Sully and Zeller were renounced.  Therefore, that's about how muc we'd have if Zeller is renounced.  There are some variables that are unclear to those without insider knowledge -- specifically the situations with Zizic and Yab.  Technically it's possible to get near $13 million of cap room, but that requires the willingness of both of those players to sign a letter saying they are not coming over this year.  We won't hear if those letters are signed, presumably.

[saltlover]

There had to be other things Ainge could do to clear space for Horford.  Sully was too productive during the regular season to just give up on him.  If someone offers him a deal you can't match, that's one thing.  This only makes sense as needing a roster spot for a future trade/signing and giving a break to Sully and his agent.

Mike

It was Zeller or Sully -- that was all you could do with a single move.  Otherwise you'd have had to get the cooperation from multiple players, agents, and/or teams.

[MBunge]

There had to be other things Ainge could do to clear space for Horford.  Sully was too productive during the regular season to just give up on him.  If someone offers him a deal you can't match, that's one thing.  This only makes sense as needing a roster spot for a future trade/signing and giving a break to Sully and his agent.

Mike

It was Zeller or Sully -- that was all you could do with a single move.  Otherwise you'd have had to get the cooperation from multiple players, agents, and/or teams.

And Sully is vastly better than Zeller. 

Mike

[Sketch5]

Another wasted first round draft choice.

Oh please. The only guys who are having good careers after Sully is Green, Crowder and Middelton and they were second rounders, so every one missed on those  guys. Everyone else is average or below.

Sully has all the tools to be good. Had shown flashes of being a really good player in this league and if you saw his highschool videos when he was in shape, dude could move well. They didn't know he'd get lazy with his diet and not work at it as much as he should.

Thats not a wasted pick. Thats a pick wasting his career.

Excuses, excuses, excuses. The Ainge alibi machine operating full bore.

Sullinger - let him walk. His back and his weight were well known.

Melo - disastrous, idiotic pick.

And who chose both of them?

I'm not making excuses for DA, I'm pointing out the stupid of your post.

Yes FAB was bad, but at 22 roll of the dice pick and it came up snake eyes.

But Sully at 21 was a good pick, even with bad back, played well his first couple seasons. Royce White would have been a bad pick, he was 16 and didn't do squat. After the top ten in most drafts it's a crap shoot.

I like how you can crap on it, yet as an other poster point out, you loved the pick at the time. I'm sure DA loved it too. You cant force a player to do the things it takes to be good in this league, and you never know how they will approach the game until they are a couple years in.

I mean look at some of the other players picked after. Some of them didn't even make it a season. And Sully isn't done in the league. DA didn't want to pay him what he wanted and He doesn't fit into what Stevens wants in a PF. Sully will probably play a few more years at his current condition. Less is he gets fatter, more if he gets his act together.

Average length of an NBA career, 5 years. So not a bust at 21 like you seem think.

[Sketch5]

There had to be other things Ainge could do to clear space for Horford.  Sully was too productive during the regular season to just give up on him.  If someone offers him a deal you can't match, that's one thing.  This only makes sense as needing a roster spot for a future trade/signing and giving a break to Sully and his agent.

Mike

It was Zeller or Sully -- that was all you could do with a single move.  Otherwise you'd have had to get the cooperation from multiple players, agents, and/or teams.

And Sully is vastly better than Zeller. 

Mike

Except Yabu and Bentel look good, especially Yabu. They can run(something Sully can't do) and hit the out side shot. And, oh yeah, in shape. Zeller gives you some length. And he actually played well in the hand full of minutes against Atlanta, better than Sully did.

I had high hopes Sully would turn it around. Maybe DA did two and met up with Sully in the last couple of weeks and saw no progress with his weight, so decided to move on. Hes a man now, can't call his daddy every time he acts up.

[saltlover]

There had to be other things Ainge could do to clear space for Horford.  Sully was too productive during the regular season to just give up on him.  If someone offers him a deal you can't match, that's one thing.  This only makes sense as needing a roster spot for a future trade/signing and giving a break to Sully and his agent.

Mike

It was Zeller or Sully -- that was all you could do with a single move.  Otherwise you'd have had to get the cooperation from multiple players, agents, and/or teams.

And Sully is vastly better than Zeller. 

Mike

Indeed.  But I'm going to wait to see for what both wind up signing before I pass judgment.

[JBcat]

Anyone out there think if Sully gets his act together he'll be as good as Horford in 2 or 3 years?

He's what 23 now?  I guess there is a chance he could smarten up like Zach Randolph.

[MBunge]

There had to be other things Ainge could do to clear space for Horford.  Sully was too productive during the regular season to just give up on him.  If someone offers him a deal you can't match, that's one thing.  This only makes sense as needing a roster spot for a future trade/signing and giving a break to Sully and his agent.

Mike

It was Zeller or Sully -- that was all you could do with a single move.  Otherwise you'd have had to get the cooperation from multiple players, agents, and/or teams.

And Sully is vastly better than Zeller. 

Mike

Except Yabu and Bentel look good, especially Yabu. They can run(something Sully can't do) and hit the out side shot. And, oh yeah, in shape. Zeller gives you some length. And he actually played well in the hand full of minutes against Atlanta, better than Sully did.

Ainge cares about assets and Sully is more valuable than, right now, all three of those guys put together.  If Ainge let the cap holds for a bunch of potentially marginal players force him to give away for free the guy who was usually the third or fourth best guy on the team last season, that's a pretty serious failure of planning.

Mike

[vjcsmoke]

Goodbye Sully!  Thanks for the rebounds and the donuts. 

Yeah, I had a feeling we would be moving on.  I thought we'd be able to create an asset out of Sullinger, but too many teams have cap space this season.  Nobody was going to give us anything for him unless they were over the cap and wanted to add a round mound of rebound.  LOL.

I'm really wondering if Yabu could be bought out of his contract abroad and stay this year.

I'm also wondering if we will sign any of Zeller, Jerebko, Amir Johnson.  I think because we didn't renounce Jereboko/Johnson, we had to make this move to let one of Sullinger or Zeller go.  And we picked Sullinger to kick off the island!

[alldaboston]

Anyone out there think if Sully gets his act together he'll be as good as Horford in 2 or 3 years?

He's what 23 now?  I guess there is a chance he could smarten up like Zach Randolph.

I'm just scared he figures it out with another team and we're left here wondering what could have been.

[saltlover]

There had to be other things Ainge could do to clear space for Horford.  Sully was too productive during the regular season to just give up on him.  If someone offers him a deal you can't match, that's one thing.  This only makes sense as needing a roster spot for a future trade/signing and giving a break to Sully and his agent.

Mike

It was Zeller or Sully -- that was all you could do with a single move.  Otherwise you'd have had to get the cooperation from multiple players, agents, and/or teams.

And Sully is vastly better than Zeller. 

Mike

Except Yabu and Bentel look good, especially Yabu. They can run(something Sully can't do) and hit the out side shot. And, oh yeah, in shape. Zeller gives you some length. And he actually played well in the hand full of minutes against Atlanta, better than Sully did.

Ainge cares about assets and Sully is more valuable than, right now, all three of those guys put together.  If Ainge let the cap holds for a bunch of potentially marginal players force him to give away for free the who was usually the third or fourth best guy on the team last season, that's a pretty serious failure of planning.

Mike

I like Sully, but he is not, as a restricted free agent, more valuable than Zizic or Yabu, nevermind both combined.  That's absurd.  There is no one out there willing to sign Sully to a 4-year $60 million contract AND give up two first round picks.  No one.  No one is willing to give up even one.  Presumably, no one even wanted to give up a second.

It's debatable about Sully vs. Zeller.  It is not remotely debatable about Sully vs. Yab or Zizic.  And all three combined?  Utter hogwash.