Give me one player, we will regret not drafting

[Eja117]

You guys make me laugh.
You believe you have a better judgement from watching college highlights videos and mock drafts.
You are seriously thinking that your judgement is better than a bunch of scouts working full time job and travelling all aroung the world, and doing workouts.

You are watching a couple of SL games and start to judge the entire draft.
After that, you come back 5 five later and say, "see, Danny get it wrong".

This has to stop, it's becoming more and more ridiculous.

I never drafted Fab Mello over Draymond Green.

[footey]

You guys make me laugh.
You believe you have a better judgement from watching college highlights videos and mock drafts.
You are seriously thinking that your judgement is better than a bunch of scouts working full time job and travelling all aroung the world, and doing workouts.

You are watching a couple of SL games and start to judge the entire draft.
After that, you come back 5 five later and say, "see, Danny get it wrong".

This has to stop, it's becoming more and more ridiculous.

I never drafted Fab Mello over Draymond Green.

Did you post that you wanted Draymond Green at that pick during the draft, or immediately after?

[colincb]

If NBA media pundits are to be believed, there was a clear consensus among NBA teams that Dunn was the BPA at 3. Based on all the teams that were rumored to be interested in Dunn, there seems to be some substance to that claim. IOW, we have experts on our side too and more of them.

[Csfan1984]

Lab. Too much talent to pass 2x imo

[Denis998]

D Murray

[greece66]

Ah yes, another thread like this one; just what Celtics Forums needed 

[CelticsJG]

Everyone thinks it's always BPA when drafting. That may be so later in the rounds, but when picking top 10, it's who best fits your system.

Dunn is a nice player, but to say he's head and shoulders above Brown isn't fare. Dunn has 3 more years of development on Brown. Of course he's going to be more NBA ready. Not too many one and dones are ready right out of the gate. A lot of people were high on Murry, but he looked worse than Brown in that first game.

Also we don't draft Dunn if we don't trade him on draft night. We would get pennies on the dollar for him with our pool of guards. Look at Philly and their bigs, they now have to move one or two of them to get Saric to come over. No one wanted to pay for them on draft night, so now they wont get that much for them. Same would happen to Boston taking Dunn.

DA doesn't always make the elaborate move that people want, or that he even wants, but he tries to make the smarter decision long term. Brown could be that, it's just people don't want to wait 2 or 3 years to see if that happens.

You draft for BPA. Worry about the fit later

[walker834]

There are plenty of teams that do that then they lose all the players they drafted because they don't fit together.  Sometimes it works but rarely.  There are plenty of teams like that throughout the nba and history that have all this young talent and they stink can't hold it together either.

Brown is a good fit I feel because he has talent and we can afford to develop a SF. He was the bpa for us in that regard.

[Dchuck]

Everyone thinks it's always BPA when drafting. That may be so later in the rounds, but when picking top 10, it's who best fits your system.

Dunn is a nice player, but to say he's head and shoulders above Brown isn't fare. Dunn has 3 more years of development on Brown. Of course he's going to be more NBA ready. Not too many one and dones are ready right out of the gate. A lot of people were high on Murry, but he looked worse than Brown in that first game.

Also we don't draft Dunn if we don't trade him on draft night. We would get pennies on the dollar for him with our pool of guards. Look at Philly and their bigs, they now have to move one or two of them to get Saric to come over. No one wanted to pay for them on draft night, so now they wont get that much for them. Same would happen to Boston taking Dunn.

DA doesn't always make the elaborate move that people want, or that he even wants, but he tries to make the smarter decision long term. Brown could be that, it's just people don't want to wait 2 or 3 years to see if that happens.

This type of thinking is what the Trailblazers relied on when they passed on MJ.  I don't care how many guards we have on the team.  Take Dunn and figure it out later. 

[walker834]

You guys make me laugh.
You believe you have a better judgement from watching college highlights videos and mock drafts.
You are seriously thinking that your judgement is better than a bunch of scouts working full time job and travelling all aroung the world, and doing workouts.

You are watching a couple of SL games and start to judge the entire draft.
After that, you come back 5 five later and say, "see, Danny get it wrong".

This has to stop, it's becoming more and more ridiculous.

I never drafted Fab Mello over Draymond Green.

Neither did I. I was the person who brought up Draymond on our old board before he was even a popular sleeper pick. But even still lol.  Ainge isn't perfect.  I wanted Marcus and AB. Had paul george as a possible slider and Whiteside too later the draft we took AB. Ainge does alright.  I was with him on Brown this draft too for the most part.  Felt Dunn was the bpa in the end, but he didn't fit here. Liked Bender and hield too.  Liked Embiid when he was a sleeper pick once he rose into the top 3 and had injury concerns he wasn't worth trading up for.  What Ainge does makes sense for the most part.  That's all I can ask for.

I wonder where Ainge would be without some of his trades if we just drafted but that's pretty hard to do.

[walker834]

Dunn is the most nba ready player in this draft.  Watching Simmons and Ingram they are the most talented guys but have a ways to go themselves.  It's really difficult to build that way. I can understand Ainge's mindset of trying to put a winning product out there to attract potential players.  It makes sense.  Drafting Dunn really didn't do anything for us that way. It just would have created a cluster**** with Isaiah. 

Brown is talented too and we could afford to develop him plus he has value to us going forward in a lot of ways.

None of these guys are developed like Bird was coming in and are going to make us a contender off the bat.

[Eja117]

You guys make me laugh.
You believe you have a better judgement from watching college highlights videos and mock drafts.
You are seriously thinking that your judgement is better than a bunch of scouts working full time job and travelling all aroung the world, and doing workouts.

You are watching a couple of SL games and start to judge the entire draft.
After that, you come back 5 five later and say, "see, Danny get it wrong".

This has to stop, it's becoming more and more ridiculous.

I never drafted Fab Mello over Draymond Green.

Did you post that you wanted Draymond Green at that pick during the draft, or immediately after?

I don't think so, but I'm not one of these geniuses that do the scouting and drafting.

I do remember being reasonably happy with the Sully pick at the time

[Bobshot]

Ainge has gone against the team's needs at #1 two drafts in a row. He picks what he sees as the best player on the board. But that is subjective. What isn't subjective is a team need. Especially when two players are close in perceived ability, and maybe one of them fits a need better.

I'm thinking about last year when Portis dropped to them. That was a need. But Ainge drafted a guard--a team strength--because Rozier was on the top of his board. It was a questionable decision, although right now Rozier is one of the best players in the summer league. Maybe he'll get some PT this year. He didn't last year. Too many guards ahead of him. Portis would have probably gotten more PT. This year, somebody may have to get traded to make room for Rozier, assuming Brown takes Turner's place.

That game yesterday may have exposed some weaknesses up front. Brown has shown nothing yet--though injuring his knee affected him yesterday. It looked like Brown, for a time, was overmatched against Portis. Playing against 4s isn't going to do it for him.  And he hasn't shown an outside shot yet. He has a ways to go to look like he was worth a #3. Actually, I liked Bender a bit more in his game yesterday. He showed the ability to play inside and outside, though he missed a lot of shots. He does look a bit heavier than the Israeli League videos. And there is no substitute for length.

I would agree Dunn has the edge over Brown right now. Danny is just throwing dice on Brown. Dunn was a surer pick. But Ainge doesn't like kids who say they don't want to play in Boston and refuse to hand over their health records. That probably figured in his thinking. As for any trades, who do you believe? I haven't seen anything on who was actually willing to trade whom?All just a bunch of rumors. You have to judge players on their worth to the team, not as trade pieces. 

You could say Ainge drafted closer to a need with Brown vs Dunn, another PG. Valid argument, but Brown isn't a 4 or 5, where the major need is. He addressed the 4 signing Horford, but Al's performance might suffer this year if he doesn't have a Millsap or equivalent next to him, to share the load. And right now, he doesn't.

[walker834]

Smart and Brown to me are good roleplayers for us in the interm with upside to be more than that either with us or trades.  They go with our core in other ways.

Bradley was a project like that. Smart and Brown are more talented than Bradley. We have a really good nucleus of vets and we have young players who are a good nucleus too going forward.  We aren't getting Durant so these guys hit with what we are building regardless we are going to be a ridiculous team ultimately. 

Ainge is a turtle I'm telling you.  Once all these vets we are bringing in hit with our young core or through trades it's gold.

Other players are going to sign here as well.  We have more picks coming.  We don't have to force anything.

Ainge has this team built for now and the future. The end result is going to be so much greater than anything else put out there. 

[trickybilly]

Ah yes, another thread like this one; just what Celtics Forums needed 

Try this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9MTejMEUJU