What to do with Sully and Zeller now?

[saltlover]

I'd pay Sully $15-18 million on a 1+1 Amir-style deal.  Whatever a little above market value is.  He could be all the salary-matching we need in a mid-season Cousins, Butler, or Hayward deal, so that the rest of the trade could simply be picks.

Uggh, honestly, even if that would be the case, I'm just so ready to cut ties with him and Zeller. I get tired of Zeller's philosophy of shooting the ball every time it touches his hand, and I'm tired of seeing the untapped potential of Sully staring us in the face due to his inability to get in shape.

I mean, my preferred choice is to get a salary dump from the Spurs -- preferably Diaw.  But Sullinger is still a useful player at times, in shape or not.  Personally I think he'd be the fourth big in the rotation behind Horford, Amir, and KO (except that KO might not be back for the beginning of the season). Not to mention Crowder will still pull minutes at the 4, as could Jerebko or Brown.

But salary is going to need to be sent out to acquire a star.  Most stars get paid 2-3 times our rotation players, so it will take a lot of players to match salaries.  We can go over the cap for Sullinger, and get him to star-matching level on his own.

Heck, maybe it'd just lead to a Sully-Monroe swap in February, with one of our lesser firsts headed to Milwaukee.  I don't love Sully, but he's a bench player on our current team, which might suit his conditioning level more.  We need some sort of additional frontcourt depth.  I know we have Jordan Mickey, and if Mickey passes Sully in the lineup, that'd be fine with me.  But a 1+1 at an above market rate is probably the best way to utilize our available cap resources.  And maybe, just maybe, this is the year Sully pulls it together.

[trickybilly]

I don't completely hate the idea of Monroe now with Horford's penchant for picknpop, and only 2 years of risk. Sully is a good fit for Milwaukee now too, with his solid post defense. Great idea salty. TP.

After extending the QO last week, I'm sure Plumlee gets bigger offer sheets which the Bucks might not want to match, maybe we even offer one.. or even some crazy two-way sign and trade.

[jpotter33]

I'd pay Sully $15-18 million on a 1+1 Amir-style deal.  Whatever a little above market value is.  He could be all the salary-matching we need in a mid-season Cousins, Butler, or Hayward deal, so that the rest of the trade could simply be picks.

Uggh, honestly, even if that would be the case, I'm just so ready to cut ties with him and Zeller. I get tired of Zeller's philosophy of shooting the ball every time it touches his hand, and I'm tired of seeing the untapped potential of Sully staring us in the face due to his inability to get in shape.

I mean, my preferred choice is to get a salary dump from the Spurs -- preferably Diaw.  But Sullinger is still a useful player at times, in shape or not.  Personally I think he'd be the fourth big in the rotation behind Horford, Amir, and KO (except that KO might not be back for the beginning of the season). Not to mention Crowder will still pull minutes at the 4, as could Jerebko or Brown.

But salary is going to need to be sent out to acquire a star.  Most stars get paid 2-3 times our rotation players, so it will take a lot of players to match salaries.  We can go over the cap for Sullinger, and get him to star-matching level on his own.

Heck, maybe it'd just lead to a Sully-Monroe swap in February, with one of our lesser firsts headed to Milwaukee.  I don't love Sully, but he's a bench player on our current team, which might suit his conditioning level more.  We need some sort of additional frontcourt depth.  I know we have Jordan Mickey, and if Mickey passes Sully in the lineup, that'd be fine with me.  But a 1+1 at an above market rate is probably the best way to utilize our available cap resources.  And maybe, just maybe, this is the year Sully pulls it together.

I could probably be talked into giving it to him, but with Horford, Amir, JJ, KO, and Crowder, let alone Mickey or even Brown in smaller lineups, all deserving minutes at the big spots, he'd be riding the bench most of the time. He'd be a helpful practice body, but unless I needed rebounding or something, he'd be trade fodder on the bench for the rest of the season.

[guava_wrench]

I don't completely hate the idea of Monroe now with Horford's penchant for picknpop, and only 2 years of risk. Sully is a good fit for Milwaukee now too, with his solid post defense. Great idea salty. TP.

After extending the QO last week, I'm sure Plumlee gets bigger offer sheets which the Bucks might not want to match, maybe we even offer one.. or even some crazy two-way sign and trade.

I like Monroe less. We are no longer desperate for a big man where we would choose to be the next team to give up on Monroe.

[saltlover]

I'd pay Sully $15-18 million on a 1+1 Amir-style deal.  Whatever a little above market value is.  He could be all the salary-matching we need in a mid-season Cousins, Butler, or Hayward deal, so that the rest of the trade could simply be picks.

Uggh, honestly, even if that would be the case, I'm just so ready to cut ties with him and Zeller. I get tired of Zeller's philosophy of shooting the ball every time it touches his hand, and I'm tired of seeing the untapped potential of Sully staring us in the face due to his inability to get in shape.

I mean, my preferred choice is to get a salary dump from the Spurs -- preferably Diaw.  But Sullinger is still a useful player at times, in shape or not.  Personally I think he'd be the fourth big in the rotation behind Horford, Amir, and KO (except that KO might not be back for the beginning of the season). Not to mention Crowder will still pull minutes at the 4, as could Jerebko or Brown.

But salary is going to need to be sent out to acquire a star.  Most stars get paid 2-3 times our rotation players, so it will take a lot of players to match salaries.  We can go over the cap for Sullinger, and get him to star-matching level on his own.

Heck, maybe it'd just lead to a Sully-Monroe swap in February, with one of our lesser firsts headed to Milwaukee.  I don't love Sully, but he's a bench player on our current team, which might suit his conditioning level more.  We need some sort of additional frontcourt depth.  I know we have Jordan Mickey, and if Mickey passes Sully in the lineup, that'd be fine with me.  But a 1+1 at an above market rate is probably the best way to utilize our available cap resources.  And maybe, just maybe, this is the year Sully pulls it together.

I could probably be talked into giving it to him, but with Horford, Amir, JJ, KO, and Crowder, let alone Mickey or even Brown in smaller lineups, all deserving minutes at the big spots, he'd be riding the bench most of the time. He'd be a helpful practice body, but unless I needed rebounding or something, he'd be trade fodder on the bench for the rest of the season.

Yes, he is trade fodder.  But James Young can't bring back any salary of value, whereas Sullinger could bring back virtually anyone if paid enough.  And he's more likely to be useful in certain situations, be it injuries or matchups, than Young, or other prospect trade fodder.

Free agency is a fun game to play, and we won a round with Horford.  But I feel our next star acquisition will be through trade, and matching salaries is an important component of that strategy.

[OHCeltic]

Let them both walk. Give their minutes to the young guys.

[saltlover]

I don't completely hate the idea of Monroe now with Horford's penchant for picknpop, and only 2 years of risk. Sully is a good fit for Milwaukee now too, with his solid post defense. Great idea salty. TP.

After extending the QO last week, I'm sure Plumlee gets bigger offer sheets which the Bucks might not want to match, maybe we even offer one.. or even some crazy two-way sign and trade.

I like Monroe less. We are no longer desperate for a big man where we would choose to be the next team to give up on Monroe.

I don't love Monroe.  I'm saying that I like him more than Sullinger, and would be okay trading one for the other in February should we miss out on a bigger target.  I also think we're running low on viable roster options this summer, hence Sully to begin with.

[jay]

Maybe Monroe is a short term solution.  Get a rebounder without giving up Nets picks.  Also consolidate roster.  They need a PG and maybe Rozier will play like he did tonight.

Amir, Jerebko, Rozier, Young for Monroe.


There would be 5 guards on the roster and Crowder and Brown at the 3 make 7 players.  Sign a G/F Leaves room for 7 bigs. 

C:  Monroe, Zizic, Mickey
PF: Horford, Olynyk, Bentil
 
Yabusele could be the 15th man or stash him and bring over Iverson? 

[trickybilly]

Maybe Monroe is a short term solution.  Get a rebounder without giving up Nets picks.  Also consolidate roster.  They need a PG and maybe Rozier will play like he did tonight.

Amir, Jerebko, Rozier, Young for Monroe.


There would be 5 guards on the roster and Crowder and Brown at the 3 make 7 players.  Sign a G/F Leaves room for 7 bigs. 

C:  Monroe, Zizic, Mickey
PF: Horford, Olynyk, Bentil
 
Yabusele could be the 15th man or stash him and bring over Iverson?

Horford is guaranteed to be our primary rim protector (i.e. play the 5 on D). 

[guava_wrench]

I don't completely hate the idea of Monroe now with Horford's penchant for picknpop, and only 2 years of risk. Sully is a good fit for Milwaukee now too, with his solid post defense. Great idea salty. TP.

After extending the QO last week, I'm sure Plumlee gets bigger offer sheets which the Bucks might not want to match, maybe we even offer one.. or even some crazy two-way sign and trade.

I like Monroe less. We are no longer desperate for a big man where we would choose to be the next team to give up on Monroe.

I don't love Monroe.  I'm saying that I like him more than Sullinger, and would be okay trading one for the other in February should we miss out on a bigger target.  I also think we're running low on viable roster options this summer, hence Sully to begin with.

I prefer Sully as a player, but I wouldn't want to get stuck with Sully's market value contract right now.

[saltlover]

I don't completely hate the idea of Monroe now with Horford's penchant for picknpop, and only 2 years of risk. Sully is a good fit for Milwaukee now too, with his solid post defense. Great idea salty. TP.

After extending the QO last week, I'm sure Plumlee gets bigger offer sheets which the Bucks might not want to match, maybe we even offer one.. or even some crazy two-way sign and trade.

I like Monroe less. We are no longer desperate for a big man where we would choose to be the next team to give up on Monroe.

I don't love Monroe.  I'm saying that I like him more than Sullinger, and would be okay trading one for the other in February should we miss out on a bigger target.  I also think we're running low on viable roster options this summer, hence Sully to begin with.

I prefer Sully as a player, but I wouldn't want to get stuck with Sully's market value contract right now.

For a year? That's not getting stuck.

[MBunge]

Zeller is definitely gone.  He's shown enough as a back up center to get far more than Boston will pay to keep him.

Sully is a different story.  He looked so bad to end the year, he may not get a multi-year deal he feels like taking.  I could see Sully playing for the QO and trying to get a bigger deal next year.

Mike

[saltlover]

Zeller is definitely gone.  He's shown enough as a back up center to get far more than Boston will pay to keep him.

Sully is a different story.  He looked so bad to end the year, he may not get a multi-year deal he feels like taking.  I could see Sully playing for the QO and trying to get a bigger deal next year.

Mike

His pre and post all-star game numbers were practically identical.  There wasn't a huge difference.

He had a bad playoff series, but so did Harrison Barnes, and that hasn't stopped him from getting paid.  No way does he take his QO.

[Beat LA]

Zeller is definitely gone.  He's shown enough as a back up center to get far more than Boston will pay to keep him.

Sully is a different story.  He looked so bad to end the year, he may not get a multi-year deal he feels like taking.  I could see Sully playing for the QO and trying to get a bigger deal next year.

Mike

His pre and post all-star game numbers were practically identical.  There wasn't a huge difference.

He had a bad playoff series, but so did Harrison Barnes, and that hasn't stopped him from getting paid.  No way does he take his QO.

Right, but Barnes is the far superior athlete and shooter, and also doesn't have Sullinger's weight and attitude/character problems.

[jpotter33]

I'd pay Sully $15-18 million on a 1+1 Amir-style deal.  Whatever a little above market value is.  He could be all the salary-matching we need in a mid-season Cousins, Butler, or Hayward deal, so that the rest of the trade could simply be picks.

Uggh, honestly, even if that would be the case, I'm just so ready to cut ties with him and Zeller. I get tired of Zeller's philosophy of shooting the ball every time it touches his hand, and I'm tired of seeing the untapped potential of Sully staring us in the face due to his inability to get in shape.

I mean, my preferred choice is to get a salary dump from the Spurs -- preferably Diaw.  But Sullinger is still a useful player at times, in shape or not.  Personally I think he'd be the fourth big in the rotation behind Horford, Amir, and KO (except that KO might not be back for the beginning of the season). Not to mention Crowder will still pull minutes at the 4, as could Jerebko or Brown.

But salary is going to need to be sent out to acquire a star.  Most stars get paid 2-3 times our rotation players, so it will take a lot of players to match salaries.  We can go over the cap for Sullinger, and get him to star-matching level on his own.

Heck, maybe it'd just lead to a Sully-Monroe swap in February, with one of our lesser firsts headed to Milwaukee.  I don't love Sully, but he's a bench player on our current team, which might suit his conditioning level more.  We need some sort of additional frontcourt depth.  I know we have Jordan Mickey, and if Mickey passes Sully in the lineup, that'd be fine with me.  But a 1+1 at an above market rate is probably the best way to utilize our available cap resources.  And maybe, just maybe, this is the year Sully pulls it together.

I could probably be talked into giving it to him, but with Horford, Amir, JJ, KO, and Crowder, let alone Mickey or even Brown in smaller lineups, all deserving minutes at the big spots, he'd be riding the bench most of the time. He'd be a helpful practice body, but unless I needed rebounding or something, he'd be trade fodder on the bench for the rest of the season.

Yes, he is trade fodder.  But James Young can't bring back any salary of value, whereas Sullinger could bring back virtually anyone if paid enough.  And he's more likely to be useful in certain situations, be it injuries or matchups, than Young, or other prospect trade fodder.

Free agency is a fun game to play, and we won a round with Horford.  But I feel our next star acquisition will be through trade, and matching salaries is an important component of that strategy.

I agree. I think our next big piece will come from a trade, and Sully at that price and contract would be a great piece of that trade. The only issue would be Sully actually accepting that role on the team. I could see him being a locker-room issue, similar to Bogans, if he went from playing a prominent role on our team to buried on the bench with a much bigger contract.