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Re: Okay back to my senses.... GSW + Durant can be beat
« Reply #45 on: July 05, 2016, 02:19:19 PM »

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Im picking the Spurs to upset Golden State.

Re: Okay back to my senses.... GSW + Durant can be beat
« Reply #46 on: July 05, 2016, 02:28:33 PM »

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If I was a Golden State fan I would worry about next year more than this year... This year they were allowed to keep Iguadola and Livingston but both will be FA as well... They will then have to rework the contracts of Durant and Curry... Their entire cap will be distributed between 4 main contracts and some rookie contracts and vet mins... So in essence if one of those players gets hurt the dominos could fall... Even now they are trying to bring back David Lee who sat the bench for them 2 years ago... Too much is placed on 4 guys and not going to be as easy as most think..

Re: Okay back to my senses.... GSW + Durant can be beat
« Reply #47 on: July 05, 2016, 02:30:25 PM »

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Replace Barnes with Durant and GS would have blown out Cleveland.  The only thing that can beat them are injuries.

Sure, maybe Durant suffers a season-ending injury!

...Oh wait, they're still a 73-win team.

This seems to forget that they gutted their team to get Durant in the first place...

They lost pretty insignificant pieces when it comes to the teams identity.... Barnes? ha! Ezeli? ha! Bogut? They already got Zaza...

the Team took no step backwards
Obviously GS is a very talented team, but the other reasons they have been so good is that everyone has a clearly defined role and they had a ton of depth.  They have lost a good portion of their depth, though could still fill that out, but it is yet to be seen how the roles will be altered by adding Durant.  I know everyone says, well Durant is just a better version of Barnes so they can just plug him in and they will be fine, but it might actually be a problem that Durant is a better version of Barnes.  Barnes was fine being a 4th or 5th option on offense and just taking shots as they were available.  I don't see Durant being ok in that role.  That obviously doesn't mean that GS can't get it figured out, but I would bet there are some real growing pains the first part of the season as they try and get it figured out and any injury, would set that back awhile.
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Re: Okay back to my senses.... GSW + Durant can be beat
« Reply #48 on: July 05, 2016, 02:55:29 PM »

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Replace Barnes with Durant and GS would have blown out Cleveland.  The only thing that can beat them are injuries.

Sure, maybe Durant suffers a season-ending injury!

...Oh wait, they're still a 73-win team.

This seems to forget that they gutted their team to get Durant in the first place...

They lost pretty insignificant pieces when it comes to the teams identity.... Barnes? ha! Ezeli? ha! Bogut? They already got Zaza...

the Team took no step backwards
Obviously GS is a very talented team, but the other reasons they have been so good is that everyone has a clearly defined role and they had a ton of depth.  They have lost a good portion of their depth, though could still fill that out, but it is yet to be seen how the roles will be altered by adding Durant.  I know everyone says, well Durant is just a better version of Barnes so they can just plug him in and they will be fine, but it might actually be a problem that Durant is a better version of Barnes.  Barnes was fine being a 4th or 5th option on offense and just taking shots as they were available.  I don't see Durant being ok in that role.  That obviously doesn't mean that GS can't get it figured out, but I would bet there are some real growing pains the first part of the season as they try and get it figured out and any injury, would set that back awhile.

I think if Durant had any uncertainty about roles he wouldn't have signed with them, their offense will change to suit Durant more.

Re: Okay back to my senses.... GSW + Durant can be beat
« Reply #49 on: July 05, 2016, 02:58:20 PM »

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Replace Barnes with Durant and GS would have blown out Cleveland.  The only thing that can beat them are injuries.

Sure, maybe Durant suffers a season-ending injury!

...Oh wait, they're still a 73-win team.

This seems to forget that they gutted their team to get Durant in the first place...

They lost pretty insignificant pieces when it comes to the teams identity.... Barnes? ha! Ezeli? ha! Bogut? They already got Zaza...

the Team took no step backwards
Obviously GS is a very talented team, but the other reasons they have been so good is that everyone has a clearly defined role and they had a ton of depth.  They have lost a good portion of their depth, though could still fill that out, but it is yet to be seen how the roles will be altered by adding Durant.  I know everyone says, well Durant is just a better version of Barnes so they can just plug him in and they will be fine, but it might actually be a problem that Durant is a better version of Barnes.  Barnes was fine being a 4th or 5th option on offense and just taking shots as they were available.  I don't see Durant being ok in that role.  That obviously doesn't mean that GS can't get it figured out, but I would bet there are some real growing pains the first part of the season as they try and get it figured out and any injury, would set that back awhile.

I think if Durant had any uncertainty about roles he wouldn't have signed with them, their offense will change to suit Durant more.

Did you watch the playoffs and the horrible offense that they ran? Curry and Thompson have no definition of a "bad shot," and that's a bad habit that is going to have to be broken before Durant comes along if they want to succeed. You can't have three guys taking any shot that they want from 30 feet in and expect to run an efficient offense.
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Re: Okay back to my senses.... GSW + Durant can be beat
« Reply #50 on: July 05, 2016, 03:00:13 PM »

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Replace Barnes with Durant and GS would have blown out Cleveland.  The only thing that can beat them are injuries.

Sure, maybe Durant suffers a season-ending injury!

...Oh wait, they're still a 73-win team.

This seems to forget that they gutted their team to get Durant in the first place...

They lost pretty insignificant pieces when it comes to the teams identity.... Barnes? ha! Ezeli? ha! Bogut? They already got Zaza...

the Team took no step backwards
Obviously GS is a very talented team, but the other reasons they have been so good is that everyone has a clearly defined role and they had a ton of depth.  They have lost a good portion of their depth, though could still fill that out, but it is yet to be seen how the roles will be altered by adding Durant.  I know everyone says, well Durant is just a better version of Barnes so they can just plug him in and they will be fine, but it might actually be a problem that Durant is a better version of Barnes.  Barnes was fine being a 4th or 5th option on offense and just taking shots as they were available.  I don't see Durant being ok in that role.  That obviously doesn't mean that GS can't get it figured out, but I would bet there are some real growing pains the first part of the season as they try and get it figured out and any injury, would set that back awhile.

I think if Durant had any uncertainty about roles he wouldn't have signed with them, their offense will change to suit Durant more.
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Re: Okay back to my senses.... GSW + Durant can be beat
« Reply #51 on: July 05, 2016, 03:05:59 PM »

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I think the key to beating GSW is interior size and perimeter defense/toughness.

They'll be very soft inside except for the few cheap vets they sign.
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Re: Okay back to my senses.... GSW + Durant can be beat
« Reply #52 on: July 05, 2016, 03:10:22 PM »

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How do you stop a Curry - Durant pick and roll with Klay Thompson, Draymond Green, and Andre Iguodala spotting up or running around screens on the weakside?


Look, they're going to lose some games next year.  No doubt.

Their bench won't be great.  Livingston, Iggy .. probably Barbosa, Rush, and Varejao.  Maybe a couple other ring chasers like Terry or Vince Carter.

But they will always be able to have two of their core four guys on the floor at all times that the game is within fifteen points.  Any one of those guys can get by just fine looking for their own offense or playing a two man game with any of the others.
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Re: Okay back to my senses.... GSW + Durant can be beat
« Reply #53 on: July 05, 2016, 03:18:22 PM »

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Their bench is probably going to be just as good as it was.. A whole bunch of ring chasers are gonna join.

Re: Okay back to my senses.... GSW + Durant can be beat
« Reply #54 on: July 05, 2016, 03:30:40 PM »

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Best team ever. Sorry.

Re: Okay back to my senses.... GSW + Durant can be beat
« Reply #55 on: July 05, 2016, 03:31:37 PM »

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Replace Barnes with Durant and GS would have blown out Cleveland.  The only thing that can beat them are injuries.

Sure, maybe Durant suffers a season-ending injury!

...Oh wait, they're still a 73-win team.

This seems to forget that they gutted their team to get Durant in the first place...

They lost pretty insignificant pieces when it comes to the teams identity.... Barnes? ha! Ezeli? ha! Bogut? They already got Zaza...

the Team took no step backwards
Obviously GS is a very talented team, but the other reasons they have been so good is that everyone has a clearly defined role and they had a ton of depth.  They have lost a good portion of their depth, though could still fill that out, but it is yet to be seen how the roles will be altered by adding Durant.  I know everyone says, well Durant is just a better version of Barnes so they can just plug him in and they will be fine, but it might actually be a problem that Durant is a better version of Barnes.  Barnes was fine being a 4th or 5th option on offense and just taking shots as they were available.  I don't see Durant being ok in that role.  That obviously doesn't mean that GS can't get it figured out, but I would bet there are some real growing pains the first part of the season as they try and get it figured out and any injury, would set that back awhile.

I think if Durant had any uncertainty about roles he wouldn't have signed with them, their offense will change to suit Durant more.

Did you watch the playoffs and the horrible offense that they ran? Curry and Thompson have no definition of a "bad shot," and that's a bad habit that is going to have to be broken before Durant comes along if they want to succeed. You can't have three guys taking any shot that they want from 30 feet in and expect to run an efficient offense.

Who's to say Durant made any demands, maybe he likes it how it is... Kerr doesn't strike me as a guy who would hold any player's feet to the fire since there's a lot of freelancing in that offense and barely any plays.

Curry likes to play around with the ball in the finals(turnovers)... I am hoping Durant considered all these things but most likely he was just looking at the talent and saw that they win in spite of the lack of diversity in their offense or even actual plays.

Re: Okay back to my senses.... GSW + Durant can be beat
« Reply #56 on: July 05, 2016, 03:32:04 PM »

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They wouldn't be if Larry and magic teamed up but like Jordan and isiah they had too much respect for themselves and their teammates.

Re: Okay back to my senses.... GSW + Durant can be beat
« Reply #57 on: July 05, 2016, 03:37:49 PM »

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We definitely overestimate KD and his ability to understand offence.
For him it is very simple, he sees Curry and Thompson keep making bad shots.
Good enough.

I believe Brad Stevens, during the meeting, show him a blueprint of how to win a title with him and he didn't understand much or not fully.

Re: Okay back to my senses.... GSW + Durant can be beat
« Reply #58 on: July 05, 2016, 03:44:42 PM »

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We definitely overestimate KD and his ability to understand offence.
For him it is very simple, he sees Curry and Thompson keep making bad shots.
Good enough.

I believe Brad Stevens, during the meeting, show him a blueprint of how to win a title with him and he didn't understand much or not fully.

Shame too... didn't we lead the league in open shots taken last year?

Re: Okay back to my senses.... GSW + Durant can be beat
« Reply #59 on: July 05, 2016, 03:47:18 PM »

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Replace Barnes with Durant and GS would have blown out Cleveland.  The only thing that can beat them are injuries.

Sure, maybe Durant suffers a season-ending injury!

...Oh wait, they're still a 73-win team.

This seems to forget that they gutted their team to get Durant in the first place...

They lost pretty insignificant pieces when it comes to the teams identity.... Barnes? ha! Ezeli? ha! Bogut? They already got Zaza...

the Team took no step backwards
Obviously GS is a very talented team, but the other reasons they have been so good is that everyone has a clearly defined role and they had a ton of depth.  They have lost a good portion of their depth, though could still fill that out, but it is yet to be seen how the roles will be altered by adding Durant.  I know everyone says, well Durant is just a better version of Barnes so they can just plug him in and they will be fine, but it might actually be a problem that Durant is a better version of Barnes.  Barnes was fine being a 4th or 5th option on offense and just taking shots as they were available.  I don't see Durant being ok in that role.  That obviously doesn't mean that GS can't get it figured out, but I would bet there are some real growing pains the first part of the season as they try and get it figured out and any injury, would set that back awhile.

I think if Durant had any uncertainty about roles he wouldn't have signed with them, their offense will change to suit Durant more.
Thinking you have a plan with defined roles and making it work are two entirely different things.

True enough but we will have to see don't we? I personally think KD was assured a prominent role, it's crazy to think he's just going to have Barnes exact role.