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Re: Trade for a Center
« Reply #75 on: July 03, 2016, 05:18:02 AM »

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I'm liking the idea of bringing back Perkins over Amir now that i think about it.  More of a team leader and a good backup to have who will muscle guys with Horford here.

Would love to see KG and pierce back in backup roles too but not sure how that would work.

This really needs to be KD's team.  I think having Perk back would be enough.  Having KG and Pierce would be a bit much imo.

Perkins over Amir?  Thanks, I needed a good laugh.  Always fun to hear from people who haven't watched the NBA for 5 years.

You act like Amir is the end all be all lol.  I wouldn't mind Perk over Amir. Amir is signed for 1 year.

If it comes down to KD wanting Perk here  yes I do like it. I don't think that will be the case though.

Besides you are taking what I said out of context without tone.  Calm down. I want Amir back and have said that and reason should win out anyways.   I wouldn't mind Perk here as a vocal leader sort of guy and who could muscle some guys down low.

I was being nice. I'd love to see Perk back here if the situation really dictates that. 

Signing perk to the vet minimum and not picking up Amir's option is not the end all be all.  There are pluses to that.

I don't think the situation will dictate that but there are pluses to it.  It's possible. We aren't sacrificing much.
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Re: Trade for a Center
« Reply #76 on: July 03, 2016, 05:38:25 AM »

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Let's pull a Miami Heat ... just like when they got the 2003 Draft darlings together (LeBron #1, Bosh #4, and Wade #5)... let's pair 2007 draftees Durant (#2) and Horford (#3) with Greg Oden (#1).   After the gut-punch we had falling to 5th in that draft, we'd not only end up winning a title the next year but end up with the top 3 picks, baby.  Lol

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Re: Trade for a Center
« Reply #77 on: July 03, 2016, 05:50:04 AM »

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GS is in a holding pattern with Ezeli, Bogut and Barnes waiting on Durant. We have the cap space and can just sign him. If Durant wants  perk where we can renounce Amir and get someone better I'm all for that. Ezeli, Bogut and Barnes do nothing for us as it stands.  We have our backup in Amir right now.  Pau also isn't coming here most likely though.

We are basically set and can then look at secondary free agents and trades. Amir is not the end all be all here though.  He is probably the best priced quality backup we can get right now for the next year.

Mahinmi signed for more.  KG, Perk.  These are all similar options. Some priced higher and lower. Some older.  Perk  makes the most sense out of any of those guys over Amir because of his connection to Durant and the Celtics.

Mozgov wasn't even an option.  If we aren't going to pick up Amir, Perk actually makes the most sense there.

We are going to pick up Amir's option though.  We have a team option. It's a moot point.   A good point but still probably moot.
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Re: Trade for a Center
« Reply #78 on: July 03, 2016, 06:12:08 AM »

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I'm liking the idea of bringing back Perkins over Amir now that i think about it.  More of a team leader and a good backup to have who will muscle guys with Horford here.

Would love to see KG and pierce back in backup roles too but not sure how that would work.

This really needs to be KD's team.  I think having Perk back would be enough.  Having KG and Pierce would be a bit much imo.

Perkins over Amir?  Thanks, I needed a good laugh.  Always fun to hear from people who haven't watched the NBA for 5 years.

You act like Amir is the end all be all lol.  I wouldn't mind Perk over Amir. Amir is signed for 1 year.

If it comes down to KD wanting Perk here  yes I do like it. I don't think that will be the case though.

Besides you are taking what I said out of context without tone.  Calm down. I want Amir back and have said that and reason should win out anyways.   I wouldn't mind Perk here as a vocal leader sort of guy and who could muscle some guys down low.

I was being nice. I'd love to see Perk back here if the situation really dictates that. 

Signing perk to the vet minimum
and not picking up Amir's option is not the end all be all.  There are pluses to that.

I don't think the situation will dictate that but there are pluses to it.  It's possible. We aren't sacrificing much.
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Re: Trade for a Center
« Reply #79 on: July 03, 2016, 06:20:07 AM »

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Steven Adams might become available if OKC choose to blow it up. Gladly give up a nets pick for that monster
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Re: Trade for a Center
« Reply #80 on: July 03, 2016, 06:24:29 AM »

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You know, I would be willing to bring in Oden for the vet min. I remember reading a year or two ago that he was thinking about another comeback attempt. You never know. If the dude seems to have his crap together, he is worth a roll of the dice. If we can stash Zizic, I am fine with heading into next season with Horford, Perkins and Oden as our centers. Assuming Horford stays healthy, we're only asking for ~15 mpg of defense from those two.
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Re: Trade for a Center
« Reply #81 on: July 03, 2016, 06:39:22 AM »

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In simple terms after laying out the close to entire landscape of remaining free agents from my living room lol, Perk makes sense because he is cheap, he has connections to the celtics and durant.  If we can sign Perk cheap as a 3rd center, stash Zizic, vs signing Amir and Zeller it makes some sense if we could sign a better backup.  I just don't think those plaeyrs are out there right now. Amir will probably be picked up, then we will be looking at extending him or letting him go next year and trying to find his replacement.   

Amir is a good backup.  We could possibly do better.

Adams isn't coming here either.  Zizic is our Adams and he's either going to be here or over in Europe for a bit.

Amir is fine. So is Zeller as a 3rd center for the time being, but there are ways where we could get a better big man somehow.  Those players have to exist though.

I also think Zizic is legit and a guy we want to develop potentially.
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Re: Trade for a Center
« Reply #82 on: July 03, 2016, 06:48:58 AM »

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Bringing back Perk over Amir isn't terrible.  Amir could be our PJ Brown  he's more talented than Perkins at this point but I more see him like Brandon Bass.  He really isn't that good. He's a somewhat bland player.

yes, it is a horrible idea.

Re: Trade for a Center
« Reply #83 on: July 03, 2016, 06:54:59 AM »

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I don't see Amir as the end all be all.  He's good for now but if the celtics could upgrade him that's not terrible.

Once Zizic and Amir are firing on all cylinders that could be a good tandem of bigs off the bench.  Zeller and Amir there are still some questions there.  Zeller hopefully if he signs will be improved this year.

Amir is not signed past this year either. Hopefully we extend him to pair him with some of these other big guys we are developing but Amir is not a sure thing past this year.

He's better than spending 70 mil or whatever it was on Mozgov or Mahinmi.

More reason to keep Amir but there are some questions there.
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Re: Trade for a Center
« Reply #84 on: July 03, 2016, 07:01:17 AM »

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Steven Adams might become available if OKC choose to blow it up. Gladly give up a nets pick for that monster

Me too, but do you think OKC would want to rebuild WITH him?

I personally wouldn't because he is more of a "piece" then a "centerpiece" but if I had to guess, they would hold onto him.

That being said it would be an amazing fit. Horford and Adams would be similar to Ibaka/Adams, Affording lots of flexibility against both Big and small lineups.

With their perimeter defense, they could be a historically good team on defense.

 

Re: Trade for a Center
« Reply #85 on: July 03, 2016, 07:02:54 AM »

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I really like this topic, but the biggest need fort the Celtics that I see as of right this second is ball handling. Losing Turner means we lost to 50% of our pg play. Don't forget IT played off the ball a lot last year.

I don't feel comfortable with Smart handling the ball more unless he takes a big step forward.

Re: Trade for a Center
« Reply #86 on: July 03, 2016, 07:15:43 AM »

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I really like this topic, but the biggest need fort the Celtics that I see as of right this second is ball handling. Losing Turner means we lost to 50% of our pg play. Don't forget IT played off the ball a lot last year.

I don't feel comfortable with Smart handling the ball more unless he takes a big step forward.

That will be Rozier. I'm not too worried about Turner leaving.
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Re: Trade for a Center
« Reply #87 on: July 03, 2016, 07:18:21 AM »

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I really like Amir and think he is a really good backup. But still would love to add like a bill walton type guy on this team. I'd love to get a guy like Marc Gasol but I don't see it happening any time soon.  I think Pau's age and as a situational player has more questions plus I think he is going elsewhere this offseason.  But could happen.

I also don't think these other guys are coming available either right now.  I think we might get Durant though.

I'm fine with Smart and Rozier and Jaylen plus you are forgetting Durant as a ballhandler over Turner.  He averaged quite a few assists.  Turner is gone. 

If could package picks and clear space to add another big guy like Gasol or Cousins after getting Durant.  Clear space to do that etc.  That's more where I'm coming from with Perk.



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Re: Trade for a Center
« Reply #88 on: July 03, 2016, 07:26:07 AM »

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I really like this topic, but the biggest need fort the Celtics that I see as of right this second is ball handling. Losing Turner means we lost to 50% of our pg play. Don't forget IT played off the ball a lot last year.

I don't feel comfortable with Smart handling the ball more unless he takes a big step forward.

That will be Rozier. I'm not too worried about Turner leaving.

Maybe not ball handling, but play making is what I'm worried about. Someone who can distribute the ball and be a threat to score for 20-25 minutes a night.

You are right though. Rosier is the best candidate to take on that role.

Re: Trade for a Center
« Reply #89 on: July 03, 2016, 07:48:06 AM »

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Bringing back Perk

It is beyond horrible.   This would be an emotional not a basketball decision and that makes it a bad one.

He is a shadow of his former self.

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