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Official numbers from the NBA:

Salary cap: $94.143 million

Luxury tax: $113.287 million


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NBA announces 2016-17 salary cap at record $94.143M. Luxury tax line: $113.287M. MLE: $5.628M. Mini MLE: 3.477M. Room MLE: 2.898 M.


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Nice.  Any official numbers on max salaries yet?

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NBA announces 2016-17 salary cap at record $94.143M. Luxury tax line: $113.287M. MLE: $5.628M. Mini MLE: 3.477M. Room MLE: 2.898 M.

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Nice.  Any official numbers on max salaries yet?

Nothing yet on that regard. I'm hoping it's something high, so that Atlanta hesitates on what they'll offer Horford. :)

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Nice.  Any official numbers on max salaries yet?

Nothing yet on that regard. I'm hoping it's something high, so that Atlanta hesitates on what they'll offer Horford. :)

Me too.  We have a few hundred k to spare on that number.  Heck, if it's a million higher we can ship out James Young.

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Larry Coon estimates the max salaries as follows:

0-6: $22.117 mil
7-9: $26.54 mil
10+: $30.964 mil (LeBron is getting PAID!)

We have a little over $400k room to spare for Horford and KD.  Every penny counts!

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Larry Coon estimates the max salaries as follows:

0-6: $22.117 mil
7-9: $26.54 mil
10+: $30.964 mil (LeBron is getting PAID!)

We have a little over $400k room to spare for Horford and KD.  Every penny counts!

And retaining whose cap holds and team options?

I don't want to redo my Excel spread sheet to do these calcs.

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Larry Coon estimates the max salaries as follows:

0-6: $22.117 mil
7-9: $26.54 mil
10+: $30.964 mil (LeBron is getting PAID!)

We have a little over $400k room to spare for Horford and KD.  Every penny counts!

And retaining whose cap holds and team options?

I don't want to redo my Excel spread sheet to do these calcs.

OK, going by my numbers, if we sign Kevin Durant we'll have to let go of Zeller, Sullinger, Amir, Jerebko. That leaves us $290,261 of cap space. (I'm using $26,601,605 MAX which Pincus is currently using, again these are estimates).

Of those, Amir is gone for sure. Now, there's room to keep one of the rest with some jujitsu, and that's where the decision of who to keep comes in.

Between Rozier, Young, Yabusele, Zizic, and Hunter they have $7,657,280 of cap space they can shed. The totality of that is not good enough to keep more than one of Sullinger, Jerebko, or Zeller. So the question becomes, who would be gone?

I don't think we'd go there because the cheapest guy, Zeller's $3,695,169 would require either moving 3 prospects or Rozier + Young. Not worth it.

So to me Durant simply means Amir, Jerebko, Sullinger, and Zeller are gone and no need to overthink it.

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Larry Coon estimates the max salaries as follows:

0-6: $22.117 mil
7-9: $26.54 mil
10+: $30.964 mil (LeBron is getting PAID!)

We have a little over $400k room to spare for Horford and KD.  Every penny counts!

And retaining whose cap holds and team options?

I don't want to redo my Excel spread sheet to do these calcs.

OK, going by my numbers, if we sign Kevin Durant we'll have to let go of Zeller, Sullinger, Amir, Jerebko. That leaves us $290,261 of cap space. (I'm using $26,601,605 MAX which Pincus is currently using, again these are estimates).

Of those, Amir is gone for sure. Now, there's room to keep one of the rest with some jujitsu, and that's where the decision of who to keep comes in.

Between Rozier, Young, Yabusele, Zizic, and Hunter they have $7,657,280 of cap space they can shed. The totality of that is not good enough to keep more than one of Sullinger, Jerebko, or Zeller. So the question becomes, who would be gone?

I don't think we'd go there because the cheapest guy, Zeller's $3,695,169 would require either moving 3 prospects or Rozier + Young. Not worth it.

So to me Durant simply means Amir, Jerebko, Sullinger, and Zeller are gone and no need to overthink it.

Yeah, releasing all the non-guaranteeds and renouncing all free agents.  But no trades required, which is key.


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The max tiers for the season are 0-6 years $22,116,750, 7-9 years $26,540,100 & 10+ $30,963,450 @BBallInsiders

Seems like Coon's numbers hold up, so I'll now recheck my calcs. with those numbers.

Nothing really changes after those small alterations, so the analysis I did above still stands other than minimal cap space change.

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If we land KD, there will be no chance we keep Amir. Amir will be fielding multi-year offers of upwards 17mill.. That is not awesome.

Horford will need decent backup. There will be nothing  decent available for the mid-level. Zizic could be in line to get minutes.
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saltlover and others, help interpret this:

52. Are draft picks included in team salary? If so, for how much?

Unsigned first round picks are included in team salary immediately upon their selection in the draft. They count as 100% of the scale salary for that pick, unless there is a verbal agreement for a higher salary. An incident occurred in 1997 when Vancouver selected Antonio Daniels with their first pick, and Daniels subsequently revealed in an interview that he and the team had verbally agreed to a contract starting at the maximum allowed salary (120% of the scale amount). Since verbal agreements apply to team salary, the league then changed Daniels' cap figure from the scale amount to 120% of scale.

Once a first round pick signs a contract, his actual salary is included in the team salary, of course.

An unsigned first round pick is removed from team salary if the team and player both agree in writing not to sign any contract through the following June 30. The scale amount is returned to the team salary the following July 1. If the team renounces its draft rights, the player's scale amount is removed from the team salary permanently, and the team relinquishes its draft rights to the player (see question number 54).

If a first round pick signs with a non-NBA team, his scale amount is excluded from the team salary on the date he signs his non-NBA contract or the first day of the regular season, whichever is later. The scale amount goes back onto the team salary on the following July 1 or when his non-NBA contract ends, whichever is earlier. In other words, these cap holds are removed for players playing outside the NBA, but only during the regular season.


Unsigned second round picks are not included in team salary. This is a loophole teams sometimes leverage by trading late first round picks for second round picks in order to clear cap room.

As described in question number 87, the trade value of an unsigned first or second round draft pick is always $0.



Those two bolded paragraphs have me in a conflict.

My interpretation is that if we sign a letter that says we won't sign a contract this season with either or both Yabusele and Zizic, that they'll immediately be removed from the team cap space.

That said, if Yabusele and Zizic don't sign such a letter but they get a contract elsewhere in another league, their cap hold would only be removed at the start of the season.

Is that the correct interpretation? It gives us even more wiggle room if that's true with our free-agents and why there's a legit push to stash Yabusele and/or Zizic this year, particularly if we can get that letter signed.


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saltlover and others, help interpret this:

52. Are draft picks included in team salary? If so, for how much?

Unsigned first round picks are included in team salary immediately upon their selection in the draft. They count as 100% of the scale salary for that pick, unless there is a verbal agreement for a higher salary. An incident occurred in 1997 when Vancouver selected Antonio Daniels with their first pick, and Daniels subsequently revealed in an interview that he and the team had verbally agreed to a contract starting at the maximum allowed salary (120% of the scale amount). Since verbal agreements apply to team salary, the league then changed Daniels' cap figure from the scale amount to 120% of scale.

Once a first round pick signs a contract, his actual salary is included in the team salary, of course.

An unsigned first round pick is removed from team salary if the team and player both agree in writing not to sign any contract through the following June 30. The scale amount is returned to the team salary the following July 1. If the team renounces its draft rights, the player's scale amount is removed from the team salary permanently, and the team relinquishes its draft rights to the player (see question number 54).

If a first round pick signs with a non-NBA team, his scale amount is excluded from the team salary on the date he signs his non-NBA contract or the first day of the regular season, whichever is later. The scale amount goes back onto the team salary on the following July 1 or when his non-NBA contract ends, whichever is earlier. In other words, these cap holds are removed for players playing outside the NBA, but only during the regular season.


Unsigned second round picks are not included in team salary. This is a loophole teams sometimes leverage by trading late first round picks for second round picks in order to clear cap room.

As described in question number 87, the trade value of an unsigned first or second round draft pick is always $0.



Those two bolded paragraphs have me in a conflict.

My interpretation is that if we sign a letter that says we won't sign a contract this season with either or both Yabusele and Zizic, that they'll immediately be removed from the team cap space.

That said, if Yabusele and Zizic don't sign such a letter but they get a contract elsewhere in another league, their cap hold would only be removed at the start of the season.

Is that the correct interpretation? It gives us even more wiggle room if that's true with our free-agents and why there's a legit push to stash Yabusele and/or Zizic this year, particularly if we can get that letter signed.

My interpretation has been that the two would count on our cap until the beginning of the season.  It's something that could be useful in future years if the team is having luxury tax or hard cap issues, but this year there is limited advantage.

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saltlover and others, help interpret this:

52. Are draft picks included in team salary? If so, for how much?

Unsigned first round picks are included in team salary immediately upon their selection in the draft. They count as 100% of the scale salary for that pick, unless there is a verbal agreement for a higher salary. An incident occurred in 1997 when Vancouver selected Antonio Daniels with their first pick, and Daniels subsequently revealed in an interview that he and the team had verbally agreed to a contract starting at the maximum allowed salary (120% of the scale amount). Since verbal agreements apply to team salary, the league then changed Daniels' cap figure from the scale amount to 120% of scale.

Once a first round pick signs a contract, his actual salary is included in the team salary, of course.

An unsigned first round pick is removed from team salary if the team and player both agree in writing not to sign any contract through the following June 30. The scale amount is returned to the team salary the following July 1. If the team renounces its draft rights, the player's scale amount is removed from the team salary permanently, and the team relinquishes its draft rights to the player (see question number 54).

If a first round pick signs with a non-NBA team, his scale amount is excluded from the team salary on the date he signs his non-NBA contract or the first day of the regular season, whichever is later. The scale amount goes back onto the team salary on the following July 1 or when his non-NBA contract ends, whichever is earlier. In other words, these cap holds are removed for players playing outside the NBA, but only during the regular season.


Unsigned second round picks are not included in team salary. This is a loophole teams sometimes leverage by trading late first round picks for second round picks in order to clear cap room.

As described in question number 87, the trade value of an unsigned first or second round draft pick is always $0.



Those two bolded paragraphs have me in a conflict.

My interpretation is that if we sign a letter that says we won't sign a contract this season with either or both Yabusele and Zizic, that they'll immediately be removed from the team cap space.

That said, if Yabusele and Zizic don't sign such a letter but they get a contract elsewhere in another league, their cap hold would only be removed at the start of the season.

Is that the correct interpretation? It gives us even more wiggle room if that's true with our free-agents and why there's a legit push to stash Yabusele and/or Zizic this year, particularly if we can get that letter signed.

My interpretation has been that the two would count on our cap until the beginning of the season.  It's something that could be useful in future years if the team is having luxury tax or hard cap issues, but this year there is limited advantage.

I was thinking the same until I read the letter portion and what it entailed. That a player signs an Euro contract or a D-League contract doesn't preclude them from entering the NBA during the season. So if the letter says you won't be bringing them this season for sure, then there's no reason to wait to remove their cap hold right?