The problem isn't the Celtics. It's some of the fans.

[LGC88]

I realize something :
Some people here can't stand that their expectation don't come to fructions.
They turn emotional and irrational, trying to find someone to blame.
That makes me think about the KD to Boston hope train wagon, arguing that we have a chance like anybody else. But you see the behavior of some Celtics fans, refusing to believe there is a micro chance that KD will come here. They would be super mad he don't come and they'll have nobody to blame but themselves...

[jpotter33]

I love that you post a quote that supports my argument just as much your argument and claim it as evidence for your argument.  "He's a versatile player that can play multiple positions" =/= he's a 3/4 instead of 2/3. At most, its says that he can occasionally guard 1-4 for short periods of time, just like Smart.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jaylen-Brown-72912/

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/jaylen-brown

Both of these have him listed as SG/SF, so.....

Wow using Draft Express over the guy who runs the team and actually drafted him.  You sure got me there!

And again you're wrong about Smart and Bradley.

Wow! You don't understand logic and realize that the quote you used provided you no evidence toward your claim whatsoever! You got me there, Sherlock!

So you don't know what wing means?  He said he is a wing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swingman

The term "wing" generally refers to the 2 and 3 positions...

In the modern NBA, it's a 3/4.  You think when Ainge said "en vogue" type of player he meant a  2/3?  I know you keep up with the NBA.

Beyond that, again, we are bypassing your whole basis that we are just loaded with wings when we have one and two other guys you brought up are a pure SG (Bradley) and a PG (combo guard at best in Smart).  I don't get why you keep saying this.  You are trying so hard to argue it and its based on a lie.

Oh, I agree that Smart SHOULD be a PG, but in our system he's primarily been used as a SG and a SF in small lineups than the primary ball-handler PG, which can't be refuted. There's a difference between normatively speaking and descriptively speaking. So, essentially, we already have plenty of minutes allotted at the 2/3.

But as LarBrd33 was conjecturing, hopefully this is for naught with a Love trade. Getting Brown would certainly make much more sense if we deal either Crowder or Bradley for someone like Love.

And let me say that I don't really dislike the Brown pick either. Sure, I would've much preferred the Noel trade, but the pick itself isn't really concerning to me. I rated Brown in the same group as the other 5 of Bender, Hield, Murray, Chriss, and Dunn. I would've preferred Chriss due to his much better fit since we don't have a starting-caliber 4, but I'm fine with Brown with us keeping the pick. I just think we're already strong in his primary positions.

[Smartacus]

Aside from player debates -

A lot of fans get far too caught up with trade rumors, scouting reports and analyses from sites like DraftExpress, mock drafts, youtube highlight videos and interviews, and even opinions from other fans.  For those who watch a lot of college or international ball, these things may not factor in quite as much.

The explosion of social media and all the nonsense that accompanies this, I think, really amounts to preconceived expectations of what a GM "should" do with draft picks and trade scenarios, despite the fact that the majority of it is speculation, and that much of it is just flat out false.  When these expectations are not met, fans become sorely disappointed and call the draft a failure.  It's very easy to set yourself up for disappointment in this fashion.

Much of the time, the actual deal that goes down has no long-standing rumors attached to it before hand.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall any rumors between Orlando and OKC until it was actually about to happen.  Same with Thad Young and Indiana.

Anyhow, main thing is to stay objective.  Just because draft day didn't go according to plan by some peoples estimations, it doesn't mean that the trade doors are closed.  Free agency is also right around the corner.

TP, Not a peep about that, other than Orlando was aggressive on the trade market (For Jimmy Butler) and some speculation that Ibaka might make sense  to trade before they lose him in Free Agency.

Nobody linked these teams together because their organizations chose not to unnecessarily leak any info. Trade Rumors are fun but it's a fallacy to hold it against an organization based on unsubstantiated rumors.

[hwangjini_1]

How long have you been watching this team?

#1   19 24 vs .500 or better clubs 

#2   14  31 when the opponent scores more than 100 points

#3  No defensive presence in the Frontcourt

#4  No outside Shooters

And you wonder why all the negativity

And I guess adding Noel on a one year rental and/or swapping half of your starting lineup for Butler fixes all of this, right?

No it doesn't. Neither does JBrown.

At some point you have to pony up. Noel would have been that guy to solidify at least one issue. Not a Rookie at 19.

Yes, "ponying up" is what got us Rodney Rogers and Tony Delk. How did that work out?

ha, ha...koz, you are indeed really rolling these past few days. tp.

let me state briefly amidst the rancor and hissy fits, that i love the give and take of informed debates. but i am disappointed and saddened to see so much of cb for days being filled with what i consider to emotional poison.

raging emotions have lead to assinine assertions, baseless claims, recriminations, accusations, condemnations, self-justifications and given rise to a general atmosphere of incivility and hostility.

as i have posted often before, this board is a wonderful haven from an all too brutal reality out there folks. let's go our of our ways and NOT make this place the spitting image of that brutal reality.

we can, and should, carve out a place that embraces debate without personal attacks or rancor.

we all need to be better than that.

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

I just don't understand how anyone is coming to any definitive opinions about last night. Am I worried that Jaylen Brown could be Kedrick Brown the sequel? Sure, though in fairness Kedrick Brown was much more of an unknown coming out of some junior college. But will there also be some fans who decide he's the next LeBron after he dominates some summer league games? Absolutely, look at all the silliness that happened last year surrounding Rozier, Mickey, and Hunter (not to mention other scrubs people thought would be great).

The truth is probably somewhere in between and regardless, we won't know if Danny was a genius, a moron, or just mediocre for several more seasons. So I'd just recommend everyone calms down and just hopes for the best.

This is probably the wisest course of action for all of us. I understand why optimists get tired of the pessimism, but the optimists need to understand why some of us get tired of the unbridled optimism sometimes. Summer League stardom doesn't guarantee anything.

[kozlodoev]

As far as the Celtics are concerned, they have this weird codification that includes guards (1/2), wings (3/4), swings (2/3), and bigs (4/5). I may have wings and swings backwards - but the points is that this is how you need to read the language when they talk about players. This has been an object of discussion around here before.

[hwangjini_1]

As far as the Celtics are concerned, they have this weird codification that includes guards (1/2), wings (3/4), swings (2/3), and bigs (4/5). I may have wings and swings backwards - but the points is that this is how you need to read the language when they talk about players. This has been an object of discussion around here before.

right. i believe you are referring to what CBS calls ballhandlers, swings, and...and...something else i cant remember. but CBS does see the game a bit differently from traditional positions.

[BitterJim]

You'll find this kind of complaining among all fanbases of major sports teams.  Just ignore them or laugh at their knee-jerk reactions.  Some of the negative responses are actually pretty comical, even if they can be over the top and annoying at times.

In general, people need to remember that the outspoken opinions of a few don't represent the viewpoints of the regular users of C's blog as a whole.  Oftentimes posters here will group the blog together, making generalized statements like "people here think Ainge is a draft savant" and proceed to post negative remarks in a condescending tone. 

This is a great blog with many, many knowledgeable fans.  There are other sports boards where practically every topic degenerates into flamewars and insults without meaningful discussion.  Don't let the complaining on C's blog detract you from the fact that this is overall a well-moderated and great sports forum.

TP for the laugh.

i am sure you including yourself in this dismissal, yes?

I wouldn't be so sure.  After all, this is the same person that said they'd make a better GM than 90% of celticsblog

Then again, he didn't aim overly high with that self-promotion, so maybe he is including himself

[jpotter33]

As far as the Celtics are concerned, they have this weird codification that includes guards (1/2), wings (3/4), swings (2/3), and bigs (4/5). I may have wings and swings backwards - but the points is that this is how you need to read the language when they talk about players. This has been an object of discussion around here before.

Maybe I'm confusing this with Doc's terminology, but I thought the categories were guards/ball-handlers (1/2), wings/swings (2/3), forwards (3/4), and bigs (4/5).

[Smartacus]

One self indulgent clown last night was like "So at 23 we take a chair salesman??" -Referring to the anecdote that Fran Frashella gave about Zizic on the broadcast- Like is that supposed to be witty? Just because your ignorant about Euro Prospects isn't DA's fault!

Yes, I caught that guy as well. He was insufferable -- but in all fairness, so were the two hosts who realize that the NBA exists about once a year.

Jones and Kief had very interesting draft coverage right up until draft night, but their problem was that if they didn't agree with the pick it was guaranteed to be a bad pick.

They both disliked Jaylen Brown so it was a bad draft. Not much professionalism or self awareness coming from them.

[Casperian]

In general, people need to remember that the outspoken opinions of a few don't represent the viewpoints of the regular users of C's blog as a whole.  Oftentimes posters here will group the blog together, making generalized statements like "people here think Ainge is a draft savant" and proceed to post negative remarks in a condescending tone. 

Bingo, TP.

As certain as death & taxes, there will be a "Fire Danny Ainge" thread after the draft, and a thread to tell us how embarrassed people are to be Celtic fans.

This is a fan forum, not the Celtics' official social media headquarters. If people can't vent here, then where else are they supposed to go?

I can tell you from experience that these generalizing threads do not help your cause, in fact they achieve the opposite. If you're unhappy with the opinion of a fellow celticsblogger, the best course of action is to engage in a dialogue with him, and not talk about him.

[mctyson]

Fans were screwed last night.

They waited for a REAL deal

It was there for the taking nd the MGMT threw it away ......on a silver platter .....and it was ignored.

Could be the worst draft night in Celtic history

LOL only on Celticsblog and only in Boston would the 4th youngest team in the NBA after a 48-win season in which they played every game hard, with a great coach and great management...ONLY IN THIS CITY...would someone complain about have the #3 pick in the draft.

Only here.  Amazing.

[Dwnflfan]

Yet for the past two years we've accumulated assets and still are at .500.  Nothing wrong with fans being impatient. Ainge has been drafting potential instead of talent. By his team has been lacking talent and they need to go out and make an attempt at getting it....unless we as fans are supposed to be happy each year with mediocre players and draft and stash projects

How are they at .500?  They were 48-34, (0.585), last year with the 3rd youngest roster in the league and added a player rated in the top half of the lottery at a position of need?

2 8 in the weak East Playoffs says it all. As constituted this Team will not get better unless talent is signed or traded for. 19 year old kid is not the answer.

You drafted 8 Players last night. 2 landed you a First rounder that ain't worth the paper its written on. A bunch of Euro guys who will never sniff an NBA court.

Ainge should already know what Free Agents will sign here. If nobody legit wants to play in Boston then you must take chances with the trade market.

Ibaka, Young, Rose were all legit gambles if you cannot get anyone else. You had the #3 to move to get an established player. You didn't.

Purgatory!

Purgatory would be moving the #3 for a player that doesn't move us substantially toward being a title contender when considering what you gave up.  That didn't happen so at worst Ainge stayed the course and our roster has more potential than the 48 win team did before free agency starts.

[Dwnflfan]

I just don't understand how anyone is coming to any definitive opinions about last night. Am I worried that Jaylen Brown could be Kedrick Brown the sequel? Sure, though in fairness Kedrick Brown was much more of an unknown coming out of some junior college. But will there also be some fans who decide he's the next LeBron after he dominates some summer league games? Absolutely, look at all the silliness that happened last year surrounding Rozier, Mickey, and Hunter (not to mention other scrubs people thought would be great).

The truth is probably somewhere in between and regardless, we won't know if Danny was a genius, a moron, or just mediocre for several more seasons. So I'd just recommend everyone calms down and just hopes for the best.

TP!

[flybono]

Yet for the past two years we've accumulated assets and still are at .500.  Nothing wrong with fans being impatient. Ainge has been drafting potential instead of talent. By his team has been lacking talent and they need to go out and make an attempt at getting it....unless we as fans are supposed to be happy each year with mediocre players and draft and stash projects

How are they at .500?  They were 48-34, (0.585), last year with the 3rd youngest roster in the league and added a player rated in the top half of the lottery at a position of need?

2 8 in the weak East Playoffs says it all. As constituted this Team will not get better unless talent is signed or traded for. 19 year old kid is not the answer.

You drafted 8 Players last night. 2 landed you a First rounder that ain't worth the paper its written on. A bunch of Euro guys who will never sniff an NBA court.

Ainge should already know what Free Agents will sign here. If nobody legit wants to play in Boston then you must take chances with the trade market.

Ibaka, Young, Rose were all legit gambles if you cannot get anyone else. You had the #3 to move to get an established player. You didn't.

Purgatory!

Purgatory would be moving the #3 for a player that doesn't move us substantially toward being a title contender when considering what you gave up.  That didn't happen so at worst Ainge stayed the course and our roster has more potential than the 48 win team did before free agency starts.

Your right to some extent.
You cannot take the 48 Wins and say the team will win another 48 next year. Other Teams improved in the East.
 Again, what are the chances of this Player at #3 making an impact in the next 3 years? Zero. These Players who come out early are not NBA ready.
IF Oakafor or Noel were on the table and we will never know, not making that move is a mistake since you have at least 2 future lottery picks the next 2 years..

I understand being a GM is not easy. The cards are in place this year to take this Team to the next level. The first step last night for me, by keeping the #3 was a step in the wrong direction