Chicago Tribune on Celtics offer

[Eddie20]

"Other pieces would have been included" is huge. What pieces exactly? Rozier? Nets 2017? It makes a huge difference.


http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-main-bulls-spt-0624-20160623-story.html

The Bulls held advanced discussions with the Celtics centered on Butler and the No. 3 pick. One proposal featured Avery Bradley, a source said. Another involved Jae Crowder, a second source said. Other pieces would have been included.

But the Celtics have a reputation around the league of trying to win trades, and the overall package kept changing and never met the Bulls' liking, sources said. Management understands the talent and value of Butler. And the Bulls ultimately liked the package they received from the Knicks for Rose more than the package offered for Butler.

[PAOBoston]

"Other pieces"? Well, that is kind of vague. Are we talking about James/Rozier/Mickey or like Smart/Jerebko/Olynyk/future BRK picks?. These details kind of matter lol. What bad reporting.

[dannyboy35]

Smart, Jetebko and Olynyk and #3 for butler is do in a heartbeat

[Bobshot]

"Other pieces would have been included" is huge. What pieces exactly? Rosier? Nets 2017? It makes a huge difference.


http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-main-bulls-spt-0624-20160623-story.html

The Bulls held advanced discussions with the Celtics centered on Butler and the No. 3 pick. One proposal featured Avery Bradley, a source said. Another involved Jae Crowder, a second source said. Other pieces would have been included.

But the Celtics have a reputation around the league of trying to win trades, and the overall package kept changing and never met the Bulls' liking, sources said. Management understands the talent and value of Butler. And the Bulls ultimately liked the package they received from the Knicks for Rose more than the package offered for Butler.

Sounds like Ainge spent all his ammunition trying to get Butler. Maybe his aim is too high.

[gift]

I don't think the Bulls know what they're doing. Sounds like they were more concerned with not losing a trade than making a move to help them in the long run.

[Fafnir]

If that's true then people should calm down about the "we could have had Butler" line of thought. Sounds like we were offering more than the leaked Minnesota trade proposals. (unless you think Lavine is going to be an absolute amazing stud I guess)

[hpantazo]

I'm good with Ainge's decision. He took a guy at #3 that Jimmy Butler described as a young Jimmy Butler, and we still have Bradley, Crowder, and our draft pick assets and cap space. 

[jpotter33]

"Other pieces would have been included" is huge. What pieces exactly? Rosier? Nets 2017? It makes a huge difference.


http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-main-bulls-spt-0624-20160623-story.html

The Bulls held advanced discussions with the Celtics centered on Butler and the No. 3 pick. One proposal featured Avery Bradley, a source said. Another involved Jae Crowder, a second source said. Other pieces would have been included.

But the Celtics have a reputation around the league of trying to win trades, and the overall package kept changing and never met the Bulls' liking, sources said. Management understands the talent and value of Butler. And the Bulls ultimately liked the package they received from the Knicks for Rose more than the package offered for Butler.

This is the part that means the most. Both last night and tonight, a bunch of people on Twitter and elsewhere say this very thing, and it's scary. People don't want to really trade with Danny because A) they don't want to be the next Billy King, and B) Danny always tries to fleece everybody. There comes a point (about a year and a half ago) where that philosophy just doesn't work anymore.

At least we know that ridiculous overpay that was floated around last night was fake.

EDIT: Also, other pieces would've necessarily had to be included due to salary reasons. So it very well could've just been salary filler and lesser picks like 16 and 23 at that point. Crowder and the Brooklyn pick was the rate to get him at the deadline, and I fail to see how it'd be any more now after their semi-tear down anyways.

[BitterJim]

"Other pieces would have been included" is huge. What pieces exactly? Rosier? Nets 2017? It makes a huge difference.


http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-main-bulls-spt-0624-20160623-story.html

The Bulls held advanced discussions with the Celtics centered on Butler and the No. 3 pick. One proposal featured Avery Bradley, a source said. Another involved Jae Crowder, a second source said. Other pieces would have been included.

But the Celtics have a reputation around the league of trying to win trades, and the overall package kept changing and never met the Bulls' liking, sources said. Management understands the talent and value of Butler. And the Bulls ultimately liked the package they received from the Knicks for Rose more than the package offered for Butler.

This is the part that means the most. Both last night and tonight, a bunch of people on Twitter and elsewhere say this very thing, and it's scary. People don't want to really trade with Danny because A) they don't want to be the next Billy King, and B) Danny always tries to fleece everybody. There comes a point (about a year and a half ago) where that philosophy just doesn't work anymore.

At least we know that ridiculous overpay that was floated around last night was fake.

So, what, Danny should make bad deals to make other GMs like him more or be less intimidated?  No thanks, I'll take Danny just the way he is

I don't think the Bulls know what they're doing. Sounds like they were more concerned with not losing a trade than making a move to help them in the long run.

Haha, TP

[gift]

"Other pieces would have been included" is huge. What pieces exactly? Rosier? Nets 2017? It makes a huge difference.


http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-main-bulls-spt-0624-20160623-story.html

The Bulls held advanced discussions with the Celtics centered on Butler and the No. 3 pick. One proposal featured Avery Bradley, a source said. Another involved Jae Crowder, a second source said. Other pieces would have been included.

But the Celtics have a reputation around the league of trying to win trades, and the overall package kept changing and never met the Bulls' liking, sources said. Management understands the talent and value of Butler. And the Bulls ultimately liked the package they received from the Knicks for Rose more than the package offered for Butler.

This is the part that means the most. Both last night and tonight, a bunch of people on Twitter and elsewhere say this very thing, and it's scary. People don't want to really trade with Danny because A) they don't want to be the next Billy King, and B) Danny always tries to fleece everybody. There comes a point (about a year and a half ago) where that philosophy just doesn't work anymore.

At least we know that ridiculous overpay that was floated around last night was fake.

It only becomes a problem when you become desperate to make a trade. Fanbase may be there now. Danny isn't.

[Fafnir]

Bulls were probably demanding the future BKN picks as well in any trade for Butler.

Even then I don't think the Bulls were sold on trading Butler.

[Fafnir]

It only becomes a problem when you become desperate to make a trade. Fanbase may be there now. Danny isn't.

Yeah the shear despair that keeps coming here and on twitter every year we don't trade for a all-star is something you cannot fall into as a GM.

If you do you become the Knicks.

[jpotter33]

"Other pieces would have been included" is huge. What pieces exactly? Rosier? Nets 2017? It makes a huge difference.


http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-main-bulls-spt-0624-20160623-story.html

The Bulls held advanced discussions with the Celtics centered on Butler and the No. 3 pick. One proposal featured Avery Bradley, a source said. Another involved Jae Crowder, a second source said. Other pieces would have been included.

But the Celtics have a reputation around the league of trying to win trades, and the overall package kept changing and never met the Bulls' liking, sources said. Management understands the talent and value of Butler. And the Bulls ultimately liked the package they received from the Knicks for Rose more than the package offered for Butler.

This is the part that means the most. Both last night and tonight, a bunch of people on Twitter and elsewhere say this very thing, and it's scary. People don't want to really trade with Danny because A) they don't want to be the next Billy King, and B) Danny always tries to fleece everybody. There comes a point (about a year and a half ago) where that philosophy just doesn't work anymore.

At least we know that ridiculous overpay that was floated around last night was fake.

So, what, Danny should make bad deals to make other GMs like him more or be less intimidated?  No thanks, I'll take Danny just the way he is

I don't think the Bulls know what they're doing. Sounds like they were more concerned with not losing a trade than making a move to help them in the long run.

Haha, TP

If you take Danny just the way he is, then be prepared for the treadmill for awhile. Situations where we fleece other teams don't happen very often and require the right circumstances to occur - see KG being disgruntled and Brooklyn being desperate. There's absolutely no indication that this trade offer was any more than the one Danny refused at the deadline, which was Crowder and the Brooklyn Pick (and salary filler and maybe lesser picks). Would you be fine with him turning down Crowder and #3 (basically) for Butler? I'm not.

[PAOBoston]

"Other pieces would have been included" is huge. What pieces exactly? Rosier? Nets 2017? It makes a huge difference.


http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-main-bulls-spt-0624-20160623-story.html

The Bulls held advanced discussions with the Celtics centered on Butler and the No. 3 pick. One proposal featured Avery Bradley, a source said. Another involved Jae Crowder, a second source said. Other pieces would have been included.

But the Celtics have a reputation around the league of trying to win trades, and the overall package kept changing and never met the Bulls' liking, sources said. Management understands the talent and value of Butler. And the Bulls ultimately liked the package they received from the Knicks for Rose more than the package offered for Butler.

This is the part that means the most. Both last night and tonight, a bunch of people on Twitter and elsewhere say this very thing, and it's scary. People don't want to really trade with Danny because A) they don't want to be the next Billy King, and B) Danny always tries to fleece everybody. There comes a point (about a year and a half ago) where that philosophy just doesn't work anymore.

At least we know that ridiculous overpay that was floated around last night was fake.

So, what, Danny should make bad deals to make other GMs like him more or be less intimidated?  No thanks, I'll take Danny just the way he is

I don't think the Bulls know what they're doing. Sounds like they were more concerned with not losing a trade than making a move to help them in the long run.

Haha, TP

If you take Danny just the way he is, then be prepared for the treadmill for awhile. Situations where we fleece other teams don't happen very often and require the right circumstances to occur - see KG being disgruntled and Brooklyn being desperate. There's absolutely no indication that this trade offer was any more than the one Danny refused at the deadline, which was Crowder and the Brooklyn Pick (and salary filler and maybe lesser picks). Would you be fine with him turning down Crowder and #3 (basically) for Butler? I'm not.

But based off what the Chicago reporter said, it just wasn't Crowder and #3.  It was also "other pieces". We don't know how significant the other pieces were. They could have asked for all the BRK picks for all we know.

[cltc5]

There's not one player on our team more valuable than butler.  Not one.  Next year bkn pick don't know if I'd include that, but #3 and Bradley or It or smart or freakin jae crowder?  Absolutely.  We over value a .500 team that can't make it out of the first round for two straight years so what does Danny do?  Add to it with unproven rookies...brilliant. Keep hope alive, it'll still be just as strong in 2020