Show me what you would have done with the picks

[Who]

 3 - Dunn
16 - Ellenson = although after sleeping on it I would rather Wade Baldwin.
23 - Damian Jones
31 - Cheick Diallo
35 - Onuako
45 - Demetrius Jackson

[CFAN38]

I WOULD'VE TRADED FOR NOEL AND COVINGTON. THE KNICKS, PACERS, AND MAGIC ALL DID THEIR JOBS AS EXECUTIVES BETTER THAN DANNY AINGE. COOL PICKS! SO SAVVY! THAT DRAFT WAS AN ABOMINATION. PEOPLE COMPLAIN 365 DAYS HERE, MAKE UP ABSURD TRADES, ET CETERA. THIS IS AN ACTUAL REASON TO BE UPSET.

I think DA is looking at this team long term and realizes that without landing a star all other moves need to be cost controlled long term moves. Trading for Noel would have been a nice fit and he is young, however by replacing Amir with Noel the Cs are not competing for a ring. Next off season Noel will command a huge raise. Rather then giving up assets to trade for Noel to maybe win a few more games this season DA can simply wait it out and sign him as a FA if that seems like the right move.

I will agree the Pacers have had a great offseason. You have to keep in mind they have a center piece in PG to build around where the Cs have the ancillary pieces but no center piece. The Cs could have moved the #16 for Young but once again I ask would this type of move really won more games? As a 6'8 230lb 4/3 he provides rebounding and can score but is not a floor spacer or interior defensive presence. He will work in Indy because PG and Turner are both shooters with length.

The Magic made a clear win now move to try to get off the treadmill of mediocrity in acquiring Ibaka. However much like Noel he is a FA next offseason. I will say that adding Ibaka would have really changed the Cs dynamic and this is a trade I would have been happy to see them involved with if DA was confident Ibaka would resign.  AB + 16+ 23 for Ibaka would have worked for me. For all we know the resign assurance wasn't there and DA had to stay away.

My point is some times the trade you didn't make is the best deal. In the end the Cs now have a 19 yr old SF with an elite physical profile, a 20 yr old milsap like PF, a 19yr old high energy rugged center, a productive college PG with an elite physical skills, a productive college stretch 4 and a future 1st round pick. If two out of those 8 assets reach their potential the Cs had a successful draft.     

[NHCelticsFan]

I like Brown at 3.  Remember he is only 19.  Should be able to play some nice minutes off the bench and provide some defensive pressure, will also fit Brad's high tempo offense.  Lots of reports on his work ethic and improved shooting.  Again, only 19.  I'll take the risk that comes with it.  I like this pick a lot.

16 was a surprise, but not sure who I would have taken there.

I really wanted Furkan Korkmaz at 23, maybe even 16.  Bummed we didn't get him.

I don't get the Jimmy Butler hype.  Good player no doubt, but not enough of an upgrade over the assets it would take to make the deal IMO. 

[Moranis]

As I've made clear I would have traded 3 for Noel, Covington, 24, and 26.  With Davis and Zubac on the board at 31 there is no way I trade the pick for a future pick

16 - Henry Ellenson
23 - Ante Zizic
24 - Timothy Luwawu (I'd go Yabusele if he fell to here) - STASH
26 - Skal Labissiere (also would have considered Korkmaz, D. Murray, and Davis)
31 - Deyonta Davis (also would have considered Zubac)
35 - Zhou Qi - STASH
45 - Paul Zipser - STASH
51 - Petr Cornelie - STASH
58 - Gary Payton II

With no trade I take Dragan Bender at 3 and the rest the same.   

[Robb]

I dont think we should assume the Noel trade was there. But here's what I would have done. I'm only looking at what the options were each time we picked.

3. Bender. Loved the kid. I think he could easily step in next season and play Jerebko's role while he's growing. Danny taking Brown convinces me that he's ok having someone that's not going to start but grow slowly. Benders ability to guard a bunch of postitons and develop into a playmaking 5 I feel is more likely than Brown learning how to play effective basketball. And he's so young...

16. Luwawu/Korkmaz. Yabusele might be fine, but his appeal is that he's a shooter and the 4 is the only position on the court where we have above average shooters making him a little redundant. If the only goal was to have someone who would stay overseas, that's fine, but if either of Luwawu or Korkmaz would have agreed to stay for even one year that would have been my first choice. I'd also at this point start looking at any of those later picks to start packaging for next years draft where we have comparably fewer selections. Even if we lost a little value, that'd be fine. I'd be thinking something along the lines of Danny's 31 and 35 for a future first, but would have started right here considering those packages because the 16 would have had more value.

23. Zizic. Perfect pick. Happy with that one.

31. Deyonta Davis. This is where I get even more sad. The 31 and 35 trade for a Clippers pick that is years away from coming and is protected against being in the lottery doesn't seem to be a great pick for someone who has lottery level talent.

35. Zhou Qi/Stephen Zimmerman. If Zhou would stay overseas that's my pick, but if not Zimmerman is hard to pass up. He may only be in the D League, but that's fine.

45. Jackson. I think he's a good value pick that late.

51 - 58. I'd have taken who would have agreed to go overseas. Not knowing who that is I can't really say.

Want to get crazy? Then I'd let all of our FAs walk. Turner is likely gone anyway. Sully is good and if we could keep him at a bargain that'd be fine, but if he gets an offer over $12M AAV, then I'd be fine seeing him leave. That'd leave me with this roster

PG -- IT / ROZIER / JACKSON
SG -- BRADLEY / SMART / YOUNG
SF -- CROWDER / HUNTER / (LUWAWU?)
PF -- BENDER / JEREBKO / MICKEY / DAVIS
C -- JOHNSON / OLYNYK

RIGHTS:
LUWAWU / KORKMAZ / YABUSELE
ZIZIC
QI
51
58

I'd honestly at that point would like to find new homes for Jerebko and Johnson. A consolidation trade would be great. It's not that I don't like them it's just that they're blocking minutes from guys I want to get on the court. If Rozier, Jackson, Young need to go with them that'd be ok. A wing would be great, someone who could spell Crowder if Hunter isn't ready to jump into that role. If Luwawu was available this wouldn't be an issue, so maybe he's a better pick for us, hmm.

All in all, I'd want the team to look like this:

STARTERS:
IT
BRADLEY
CROWDER
BENDER
OLYNYK

That'd be a lot of shooting and this team could play legitimate 5 out. Benders role in Maccabi was to play off ball shooting 3s. He could do that here, so he's ok starting the same way Jerebko was.  They'd get eaten up in the post, but not many teams can make them pay for that anyway.

BENCH
ROZIER
SMART
HUNTER
DAVIS
MICKEY

Obviously these guys wouldn't be getting as many minutes, but these would be the guys to spell the starters. I'd never want a wholesale change.

The other guys, Jackson, Young, Zimmerman if we had him, would earn minutes and compete. If Young were able to compete with Hunter, that'd be great, but it seems like he's a sunk cost at this point. We might even *want* Zizic to come over being that the team could use some post defense.

The team would definitely take a step back next season, but that's ok. It seems like we should be expecting it. I think if those guys had a chance to develop, and a lot of it hinges on Smart, that'd be fine. I feel like with taking Brown we're placing a lot of emphasis on Smart to develop anyway, so I'd be kind of going whole hog on this anyway.

All in all, I'd rather have free agency before the draft. I feel like having to plug holes with rookies without knowing who else may come is a little difficult.

[green_bballers13]

#3 - who cares
#16 - no idea
#23 - doesn't matter

Seriously, fans take themselves way too seriously.  I'm going to trust the guy with the time and knowledge to make the picks and not pretend like I know anything at all about who to draft.

This. Best comment I've read. There are too many fans here that are arrogant enough to think that they know more than NBA organizations. I'm not saying you can't criticize them. I'm stating that they know more than you, so these one-liners about how Jaylen Brown is already a bust yada yada yada are absurd. You don't know as much as them, which is good b/c you are not getting paid millions to evaluate talent. Continue to have fun watching the games, but understand, you are not qualified to make these decisions.

[Robb]

#3 - who cares
#16 - no idea
#23 - doesn't matter

Seriously, fans take themselves way too seriously.  I'm going to trust the guy with the time and knowledge to make the picks and not pretend like I know anything at all about who to draft.

This. Best comment I've read. There are too many fans here that are arrogant enough to think that they know more than NBA organizations. I'm not saying you can't criticize them. I'm stating that they know more than you, so these one-liners about how Jaylen Brown is already a bust yada yada yada are absurd. You don't know as much as them, which is good b/c you are not getting paid millions to evaluate talent. Continue to have fun watching the games, but understand, you are not qualified to make these decisions.

Sure, but this also a forum to spend way too much time thinking and talking about these things. There's always a variety of opinion and emotion and that's fine, but if you want everyone to trust whoever is doing whatever and not offer an opinion on it, then I guess what's the point of the forums for you?

[JumpingJudkins]

As I've made clear I would have traded 3 for Noel, Covington, 24, and 26.  With Davis and Zubac on the board at 31 there is no way I trade the pick for a future pick

16 - Henry Ellenson
23 - Ante Zizic
24 - Timothy Luwawu (I'd go Yabusele if he fell to here) - STASH
26 - Skal Labissiere (also would have considered Korkmaz, D. Murray, and Davis)
31 - Deyonta Davis (also would have considered Zubac)
35 - Zhou Qi - STASH
45 - Paul Zipser - STASH
51 - Petr Cornelie - STASH
58 - Gary Payton II

With no trade I take Dragan Bender at 3 and the rest the same.

I was just going to do one of mine, but I would pretty much be repeating this one, other than Korkmaz instead of Luwawu.

[Bobshot]

If Noel + Covington + two #1s for Dunn was on the table, Ainge blew it.

[wdleehi]

Trust the GM and scouts.

[hwangjini_1]

3 and 16 plus Crowder and Bradley to bulls for Butler

this trade did not work when ainge tried it. the hang up was that chicago demanded the 2017 nets pick. ainge would not include it and that was a deal breaker.

would you have done the trade and included the 2017 pick? if so, then we disagree.

[hwangjini_1]

interesting thread, thanks.

my draft would have gone this way...

bender
korkmaz
zizac (i at least got ONE right!)
davis
theninolongercaresincethisisdeepinthesecondround. 

[hwangjini_1]

These picks feel better after a few glasses of wine.

Love Brown @ 3. He was projected there most of the season.
The French dude is mysterious. I liked a big there,  maybe Davis (who we layer traded)
Zizic is a strong pick
Diallo
Zimmerman
Like the late picks of Jackson and Bentle.

most things in life do. 

[jpotter33]

I dont think we should assume the Noel trade was there. But here's what I would have done. I'm only looking at what the options were each time we picked.

3. Bender. Loved the kid. I think he could easily step in next season and play Jerebko's role while he's growing. Danny taking Brown convinces me that he's ok having someone that's not going to start but grow slowly. Benders ability to guard a bunch of postitons and develop into a playmaking 5 I feel is more likely than Brown learning how to play effective basketball. And he's so young...

16. Luwawu/Korkmaz. Yabusele might be fine, but his appeal is that he's a shooter and the 4 is the only position on the court where we have above average shooters making him a little redundant. If the only goal was to have someone who would stay overseas, that's fine, but if either of Luwawu or Korkmaz would have agreed to stay for even one year that would have been my first choice. I'd also at this point start looking at any of those later picks to start packaging for next years draft where we have comparably fewer selections. Even if we lost a little value, that'd be fine. I'd be thinking something along the lines of Danny's 31 and 35 for a future first, but would have started right here considering those packages because the 16 would have had more value.

23. Zizic. Perfect pick. Happy with that one.

31. Deyonta Davis. This is where I get even more sad. The 31 and 35 trade for a Clippers pick that is years away from coming and is protected against being in the lottery doesn't seem to be a great pick for someone who has lottery level talent.

35. Zhou Qi/Stephen Zimmerman. If Zhou would stay overseas that's my pick, but if not Zimmerman is hard to pass up. He may only be in the D League, but that's fine.

45. Jackson. I think he's a good value pick that late.

51 - 58. I'd have taken who would have agreed to go overseas. Not knowing who that is I can't really say.

Want to get crazy? Then I'd let all of our FAs walk. Turner is likely gone anyway. Sully is good and if we could keep him at a bargain that'd be fine, but if he gets an offer over $12M AAV, then I'd be fine seeing him leave. That'd leave me with this roster

PG -- IT / ROZIER / JACKSON
SG -- BRADLEY / SMART / YOUNG
SF -- CROWDER / HUNTER / (LUWAWU?)
PF -- BENDER / JEREBKO / MICKEY / DAVIS
C -- JOHNSON / OLYNYK

RIGHTS:
LUWAWU / KORKMAZ / YABUSELE
ZIZIC
QI
51
58

I'd honestly at that point would like to find new homes for Jerebko and Johnson. A consolidation trade would be great. It's not that I don't like them it's just that they're blocking minutes from guys I want to get on the court. If Rozier, Jackson, Young need to go with them that'd be ok. A wing would be great, someone who could spell Crowder if Hunter isn't ready to jump into that role. If Luwawu was available this wouldn't be an issue, so maybe he's a better pick for us, hmm.

All in all, I'd want the team to look like this:

STARTERS:
IT
BRADLEY
CROWDER
BENDER
OLYNYK

That'd be a lot of shooting and this team could play legitimate 5 out. Benders role in Maccabi was to play off ball shooting 3s. He could do that here, so he's ok starting the same way Jerebko was.  They'd get eaten up in the post, but not many teams can make them pay for that anyway.

BENCH
ROZIER
SMART
HUNTER
DAVIS
MICKEY

Obviously these guys wouldn't be getting as many minutes, but these would be the guys to spell the starters. I'd never want a wholesale change.

The other guys, Jackson, Young, Zimmerman if we had him, would earn minutes and compete. If Young were able to compete with Hunter, that'd be great, but it seems like he's a sunk cost at this point. We might even *want* Zizic to come over being that the team could use some post defense.

The team would definitely take a step back next season, but that's ok. It seems like we should be expecting it. I think if those guys had a chance to develop, and a lot of it hinges on Smart, that'd be fine. I feel like with taking Brown we're placing a lot of emphasis on Smart to develop anyway, so I'd be kind of going whole hog on this anyway.

All in all, I'd rather have free agency before the draft. I feel like having to plug holes with rookies without knowing who else may come is a little difficult.

It's been beyond a shadow of a doubt confirmed that it was on the table by numerous sources. Why should we act like it wasn't there?

[hwangjini_1]

First of all I would have been in a better position to make the BPA pick because I wouldn't have fudged up the Terry Rozier pick last year, so I wouldn't have been looking at the same glut of guards.

Did Danny admit that Jaylen Brown was not the BPA, but fitted our team needs better?

Because from what I remember he's the biggest fan of the BPA approach.

the only comment i have seen from him related to this is that he considered brown to be his second choice in the entire draft, behind only ingram. i guess simmons attitude affected ainge greatly.

so, ainge took the guy he wanted and he usually does so based upon BPA. a team's needs shifts so easily and quickly.