Bleacher Report: Celtics to take Kris Dunn

[Ilikesports17]

Is Dunn better than Smart? That's what I'm hearing/reading so trade Smart for Noel? Go with a defensive grinding team that can't shoot!

I believe Dunn is on a whole other level compared to Smart - not even close. The only area where Smart has an advantage over Dunn is physical strength.  In every other aspect of the game Dunn is either on par with Smart (defense, rebounding, size) or significantly better (slashing, ball handling, passing, athleticism).

3 years ago Smart was better than Dunn was this year and they are the same age.

Also Id say Smarts a better defender and rebounder and Dunn turns it over at a higher rate.

No, he really wasn't.

I meant 13/14 Smart vs 15/16 Dunn.
16/6/5 with 2.5 steals on 12.5 shots a game with 3.5 turnovers = Dunn
18/5/6 with 3 steals on 12.5 shots a game with 2.6 turnovers = Smart
Smart had a better Drtg and Ortg also had a better BPM and more win shares and win shares per 48 he also had a better true shooting % and steal%.

[Kuberski33]

Dunn is already a senior .

His ppg (16) is not that great for a so called best player of the draft

Ingram averaged about the same, Brown averaged less, and Bender averaged pretty much nothing at all.  Hield averaged more but does have other question marks, Murray averaged more but has EVEN MORE question marks.

Personally I think Simmons and Dunn are the surest things in this draft.  I can't remember who it was, but one person in the media made a comment that Dunn is good enough to start for a playoff team right now - I tend to agree with that assessment.

Marcus Smart started for Boston as a rookie and the Celtics made the playoffs - and Dunn looks far more NBA ready right now then Smart was on draft day.

I honestly do think Dunn will probably end up a top 2 or 3 player from this draft - I just see a lot of John Wall / Kemba Walker in him, and he seems too skilled and talented to not be a really good player.

Dunn is not as quick as Wall/Walker.  And he has sneaky explosiveness. He is not Russell Westbrook explosive. Not even Jaylen Brown explosive

Watching him drive to the basket. He does alot of herky jerky type moves to try to score over taller players.  In college this might work ok but not in the NBA.   His shot looks ok but not great. He doesn't elevate at the highest pt before shooting.  He kind of shoots the ball like Smart (arm windback). 

His passing, rebounding , defense are solid for sure. 


Again if Danny picks him, please trade Rozier

Unfortunately Rozier has zero trade value at present.  If he ever proves that he can make a jump shot that may change. But if they draft Dunn, someone will be getting moved - more than likely Dunn.

[slightly biased bias fan]

Dunn is already a senior .

His ppg (16) is not that great for a so called best player of the draft

Ingram averaged about the same, Brown averaged less, and Bender averaged pretty much nothing at all.  Hield averaged more but does have other question marks, Murray averaged more but has EVEN MORE question marks.

Personally I think Simmons and Dunn are the surest things in this draft.  I can't remember who it was, but one person in the media made a comment that Dunn is good enough to start for a playoff team right now - I tend to agree with that assessment.

Marcus Smart started for Boston as a rookie and the Celtics made the playoffs - and Dunn looks far more NBA ready right now then Smart was on draft day.

I honestly do think Dunn will probably end up a top 2 or 3 player from this draft - I just see a lot of John Wall / Kemba Walker in him, and he seems too skilled and talented to not be a really good player.

Dunn is not as quick as Wall/Walker.  And he has sneaky explosiveness. He is not Russell Westbrook explosive. Not even Jaylen Brown explosive

Watching him drive to the basket. He does alot of herky jerky type moves to try to score over taller players.  In college this might work ok but not in the NBA.   His shot looks ok but not great. He doesn't elevate at the highest pt before shooting.  He kind of shoots the ball like Smart (arm windback). 

His passing, rebounding , defense are solid for sure. 


Again if Danny picks him, please trade Rozier

Unfortunately Rozier has zero trade value at present.  If he ever proves that he can make a jump shot that may change. But if they draft Dunn, someone will be getting moved - more than likely Dunn.

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4723174/danny-ainge-teams-have-inquired-about-jordan-mickey-terry-rozier

[SHAQATTACK]

I predict Dunn will be dominate in Summer League.

IF the Lakers don't STEAL him with the second pick. ....LOL

[jpotter33]

Rose and Williams on the ESPN pre-draft show had Lakers taking Dunn (trading Russell afterwards) and Ingram falling to us in their mock. Too bad it won't work out like that tomorrow night.

[hpantazo]

I predict Dunn will be dominate in Summer League.

IF the Lakers don't STEAL him with the second pick. ....LOL

Dunn has a legitimate chance at being a better NBA player than Ingram. It's much harder to say that about Brown, Bender, Hield, or Murray.

[Tr1boy]

Rose and Williams on the ESPN pre-draft show had Lakers taking Dunn (trading Russell afterwards) and Ingram falling to us in their mock. Too bad it won't work out like that tomorrow night.

One can only wish

[crimson_stallion]

Is Dunn better than Smart? That's what I'm hearing/reading so trade Smart for Noel? Go with a defensive grinding team that can't shoot!

I believe Dunn is on a whole other level compared to Smart - not even close. The only area where Smart has an advantage over Dunn is physical strength.  In every other aspect of the game Dunn is either on par with Smart (defense, rebounding, size) or significantly better (slashing, ball handling, passing, athleticism).

3 years ago Smart was better than Dunn was this year and they are the same age.

Also Id say Smarts a better defender and rebounder and Dunn turns it over at a higher rate.

Their overall stats are similar, but there are a few critical advantages Dunn has over Smart that makes him a far superior prospect for the NBA game:

1) Ball handling ability - it's a strength of Dunn's, and was considered a weakness for Smart

2) Passing ability - a strength for Dunn, and was considered a question mark for Smart

3) Athleticism - Dunn is an explosive athlete, while Smart's athleticism was questioned in 14/15

4) Shooting - Dunn has already put up solid 3PT shooting numbers two years straight, so he's proven he has potential to be at least an average (~ 35%) three point shooter at the NBA level, and he has a quality midrange game.  After two years in the NBA Smart still doesn't look like he'll ever be a capable jump shooter.

These are all key skills for an NBA guard.

[SHAQATTACK]

We could use Ingram MORE than Dunn and Lakers really need a true point guard .  Russel is more shooter than play maker .   

Lakers could use Dunn too......or use him as trade bait to get a older star.

So .....looks like we'll get Dunn, or Ingram or maybe somebody off Philly.

[alldaboston]

Is Dunn better than Smart? That's what I'm hearing/reading so trade Smart for Noel? Go with a defensive grinding team that can't shoot!

I believe Dunn is on a whole other level compared to Smart - not even close. The only area where Smart has an advantage over Dunn is physical strength.  In every other aspect of the game Dunn is either on par with Smart (defense, rebounding, size) or significantly better (slashing, ball handling, passing, athleticism).

3 years ago Smart was better than Dunn was this year and they are the same age.

Also Id say Smarts a better defender and rebounder and Dunn turns it over at a higher rate.

Their overall stats are similar, but there are a few critical advantages Dunn has over Smart that makes him a far superior prospect for the NBA game:

1) Ball handling ability - it's a strength of Dunn's, and was considered a weakness for Smart

2) Passing ability - a strength for Dunn, and was considered a question mark for Smart

3) Athleticism - Dunn is an explosive athlete, while Smart's athleticism was questioned in 14/15

4) Shooting - Dunn has already put up solid 3PT shooting numbers two years straight, so he's proven he has potential to be at least an average (~ 35%) three point shooter at the NBA level, and he has a quality midrange game.  After two years in the NBA Smart still doesn't look like he'll ever be a capable jump shooter.

These are all key skills for an NBA guard.

Eh I guess that's true. I went back and watched a couple clips of smart in college. He seemed to get by a lot due to pure strength. That (so far) hasn't translated to the NBA. If brown is gonna have a similar non-impact (since he gets by largely on strength, but also athleticism), id rather take the skilled Dunn.

[crimson_stallion]

I predict Dunn will be dominate in Summer League.

IF the Lakers don't STEAL him with the second pick. ....LOL

Dunn has a legitimate chance at being a better NBA player than Ingram. It's much harder to say that about Brown, Bender, Hield, or Murray.

Agreed, tlogugh I think Brown has a shot too.

Only thing really holding Brown back is concerns over his shooting, but his coach made comments insisting that his outside shot is much better then his stats indicated, and he shot as well as Murray in the Boston workout.  If there is even the slighest hint of possibility that Brown could be an average (or better) shooter in the NBA, then there really is no telling how good he could be.

I could see Hield being a better scorer then Ingram., but can't see him being a better overall player.

As for Bender...I just won't comment on him at all lol

[SHAQATTACK]

I predict Dunn will be dominate in Summer League.

IF the Lakers don't STEAL him with the second pick. ....LOL

Dunn has a legitimate chance at being a better NBA player than Ingram. It's much harder to say that about Brown, Bender, Hield, or Murray.

I'll be happy with either Dunn od Ingram .......both have good upside .....good roll of the dice.

Not so crazy about the other four you mentioned ........as a third picks ...LOL..

[jay]

Maybe IT is not untouchable. He will be 28 years old before too long. 😃

Trade him while his value is at an all time high?

[Evantime34]

Is Dunn better than Smart? That's what I'm hearing/reading so trade Smart for Noel? Go with a defensive grinding team that can't shoot!

I believe Dunn is on a whole other level compared to Smart - not even close. The only area where Smart has an advantage over Dunn is physical strength.  In every other aspect of the game Dunn is either on par with Smart (defense, rebounding, size) or significantly better (slashing, ball handling, passing, athleticism).

3 years ago Smart was better than Dunn was this year and they are the same age.

Also Id say Smarts a better defender and rebounder and Dunn turns it over at a higher rate.

Their overall stats are similar, but there are a few critical advantages Dunn has over Smart that makes him a far superior prospect for the NBA game:

1) Ball handling ability - it's a strength of Dunn's, and was considered a weakness for Smart

2) Passing ability - a strength for Dunn, and was considered a question mark for Smart

3) Athleticism - Dunn is an explosive athlete, while Smart's athleticism was questioned in 14/15

4) Shooting - Dunn has already put up solid 3PT shooting numbers two years straight, so he's proven he has potential to be at least an average (~ 35%) three point shooter at the NBA level, and he has a quality midrange game.  After two years in the NBA Smart still doesn't look like he'll ever be a capable jump shooter.

These are all key skills for an NBA guard.

The thing is you are comparing Dunn in his 4th year to Smart in his second. Dunn was no where near a finished product at the same age. People are indicating Dunn is better because he played well in the big east while Smart was playing for a playoff team in the NBA.

Smart has improved as a ball handler (especially when it comes to the pick and roll) since he left college. Ball handling is something that can be improved with work, so it's kind of unfair to compare Dunn's ball handling senior year to Smart's as a soph.

Dunn is a good defender but he had no where near the effect on his team defense as Smart did.

Smart sure looked like a capable 3 point shooter in the playoffs and he was about league average the year before. Dunn is a good shooter off the dribble but isn't as good off the catch.

 If he doesn't get to completely dominate the ball when he's in the league you will see his numbers go down in the NBA because he will take more shots off passes. Frankly I prefer a ball movement style so I don't want to draft a guy who needs to come in and immediately dominate the ball.

[SHAQATTACK]

If we keep taking all guards .....

Boston will be playing MINi BALL  .....with IT at the five .....