Bleacher Report: Celtics to take Kris Dunn

[KG Living Legend]

I'm sure if we end up with Dunn, it's because Ainge thinks he's the best option so I'm not all that worried... but I can't say I'm all that excited about adding a 23 year old injury-prone rookie who plays the most bountiful position in the nba, supposedly is unlikely to be an all-star, and supposedly can't shoot.   Kind of had higher hopes with the pick than adding another guard that we may or may not have 5-15 minutes per game for.

But if that's the pick... I'll just be waiting for that other shoe to drop, because I can't imagine we'd ride into next season with Thomas, Bradley, Smart, Dunn, Rozier, Hunter, Turner and Young.

 Really though if we Draft Dunn Turner is gone. Now we are down to 7 guards. Young is horrible and  Hunter will hardly play, so now it's  down to five, and Rozier has promise but will play sparingly as a backup, down to Four.

 So really four guys would get heavy minutes

 Thomas, Bradley, Smart, Dunn.

[crimson_stallion]

I'm sure if we end up with Dunn, it's because Ainge thinks he's the best option so I'm not all that worried... but I can't say I'm all that excited about adding a 23 year old injury-prone rookie who plays the most bountiful position in the nba, supposedly is unlikely to be an all-star, and supposedly can't shoot.   Kind of had higher hopes with the pick than adding another guard that we may or may not have 5-15 minutes per game for.

But if that's the pick... I'll just be waiting for that other shoe to drop, because I can't imagine we'd ride into next season with Thomas, Bradley, Smart, Dunn, Rozier, Hunter, Turner and Young.

1) Dunn is 22, not 23

2) Dunn is probably the closest thing to a sure fire All-Star in this draft after Simmons and maybe Ingram.

3) Dunn has a very good midrange game and he shot 35% and 37% from three the past two seasons.  He's no Buddy Hield / JJ Reddick / Kyle Korver, but he can shoot just fine.

As for playing the "Most boundful position in the NBA", Dunn is not as common a talent as you may think.  There actually aren't a lot of Point Guards in the league who come close to having Dunn's combination of size, length, strength. athleticism, ball handling, court vision, rebounding and scoring ability. 

Honestly you have John Wall, Kemba Walker, Russell Westbrook...I'm sure there are a couple I'm forgetting, but the point is that he's a guy who ticks just about every box and that is rare among NBA Point Guards.

The way I see it his absolute floor (if his shooting / scoring totally failed to translate) is maybe Ricky Rubio, with his ceiling being a maybe slightly less athletic Russell Westbrook- because I'm not sure if he's quite 'Russell Westbrook athletic', but I think he's pretty darn close.

Before anybody calls me crazy for the Westbrook comparison, you can note that in his final college season Westbrook had Per 40 Minute stats of 15.1 points, 4.6 rebounds, 5.1 assists, 1.9 steals, 2.9 Turnovers, 46.5% FG, 33.8% 3PT and 71% FT.  The two are not only pretty similar statistically, but also have very similar playing styles and skill sets.

[ashanm10]

I'm sure if we end up with Dunn, it's because Ainge thinks he's the best option so I'm not all that worried... but I can't say I'm all that excited about adding a 23 year old injury-prone rookie who plays the most bountiful position in the nba, supposedly is unlikely to be an all-star, and supposedly can't shoot.   Kind of had higher hopes with the pick than adding another guard that we may or may not have 5-15 minutes per game for.

But if that's the pick... I'll just be waiting for that other shoe to drop, because I can't imagine we'd ride into next season with Thomas, Bradley, Smart, Dunn, Rozier, Hunter, Turner and Young.

 Really though if we Draft Dunn Turner is gone. Now we are down to 7 guards. Young is horrible and  Hunter will hardly play, so now it's  down to five, and Rozier has promise but will play sparingly as a backup, down to Four.

 So really four guys would get heavy minutes

 Thomas, Bradley, Smart, Dunn.

Yup, this ^^

[dang] please NBA DRAFT JUST START ALREADY.....

these names in my head all the time.......

Dunn...
Bender...
Chriss...
Murray...
Hield...
Brown...

Lets hope we are LUCKY and draft a STAR for years to come

[byennie]

I'm sure if we end up with Dunn, it's because Ainge thinks he's the best option so I'm not all that worried... but I can't say I'm all that excited about adding a 23 year old injury-prone rookie who plays the most bountiful position in the nba, supposedly is unlikely to be an all-star, and supposedly can't shoot.   Kind of had higher hopes with the pick than adding another guard that we may or may not have 5-15 minutes per game for.

But if that's the pick... I'll just be waiting for that other shoe to drop, because I can't imagine we'd ride into next season with Thomas, Bradley, Smart, Dunn, Rozier, Hunter, Turner and Young.

Nah.

1) Lots of people projecting him to have All-Star potential. Plus-to-elite defender, plus passer, good-to-plus scorer. Shot 37% 3PT so not exactly broken.

2) He'll take over Turner's ball handling duties (28mpg to replace)

3) Young, Hunter and Rozier will be behind him and won't hold him back

4) His shoulder surgeries came in 1st two years of college and has been healthy since. Obviously want medical records, but it's also a reason his development is considered not quite a senior. Don't forget the whole Lillard redshirt thing you like to point out =)

I think the only thing I agree with here is that Rozier will be expendable (and of course Hunter and Young)

[byennie]

I'm sure if we end up with Dunn, it's because Ainge thinks he's the best option so I'm not all that worried... but I can't say I'm all that excited about adding a 23 year old injury-prone rookie who plays the most bountiful position in the nba, supposedly is unlikely to be an all-star, and supposedly can't shoot.   Kind of had higher hopes with the pick than adding another guard that we may or may not have 5-15 minutes per game for.

But if that's the pick... I'll just be waiting for that other shoe to drop, because I can't imagine we'd ride into next season with Thomas, Bradley, Smart, Dunn, Rozier, Hunter, Turner and Young.

 Really though if we Draft Dunn Turner is gone. Now we are down to 7 guards. Young is horrible and  Hunter will hardly play, so now it's  down to five, and Rozier has promise but will play sparingly as a backup, down to Four.

 So really four guys would get heavy minutes

 Thomas, Bradley, Smart, Dunn.

Pretty much. And if we use Dunn like Turner, it's really a 1-3 of:

Thomas, Bradley, Smart, Dunn, Crowder. 144 minutes to go around for 5 guys is 29 mpg when they are all healthy. Bradley, Smart and Dunn can all credibly defend the 3 spot when Crowder is not there.

I wouldn't say it's *ideal* and Hunter/Young/Rozier are gonna be on the outside, but it's a lot of talent at those spots and enough room for the key guys to all play.

Dunn will also immediately be the best passer and ball handler in the group.

[ashanm10]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ca9f9wzt4Xw

20 mins of Dunn XD

(Same YouTuber has long compilations for the other top prospects we are interested in )

[colincb]

Just listened to Woj-Givony podcast from today and Givony said Dunn's the only starting caliber PG in this draft, which is what I also heard from the NBA TV mock draft program I posted about here:

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=85468.msg2112568#msg2112568

Givony says Sixers GM and HC are very high on Dunn, but I don't see a deal myself including the 3 for Noel. Next year is a great PG draft according to Givony, so maybe the Sixers tank hard again and get one since the trade market seems to be drying up too. I'd rather that the Nets have a clear path to the worst record, but that may be too much to ask as the Sixers try to fix their mess.

[LarBrd33]

I'm sure if we end up with Dunn, it's because Ainge thinks he's the best option so I'm not all that worried... but I can't say I'm all that excited about adding a 23 year old injury-prone rookie who plays the most bountiful position in the nba, supposedly is unlikely to be an all-star, and supposedly can't shoot.   Kind of had higher hopes with the pick than adding another guard that we may or may not have 5-15 minutes per game for.

But if that's the pick... I'll just be waiting for that other shoe to drop, because I can't imagine we'd ride into next season with Thomas, Bradley, Smart, Dunn, Rozier, Hunter, Turner and Young.

Nah.

1) Lots of people projecting him to have All-Star potential. Plus-to-elite defender, plus passer, good-to-plus scorer. Shot 37% 3PT so not exactly broken.

2) He'll take over Turner's ball handling duties (28mpg to replace)

3) Young, Hunter and Rozier will be behind him and won't hold him back

4) His shoulder surgeries came in 1st two years of college and has been healthy since. Obviously want medical records, but it's also a reason his development is considered not quite a senior. Don't forget the whole Lillard redshirt thing you like to point out =)

I think the only thing I agree with here is that Rozier will be expendable (and of course Hunter and Young)

1 - Scouts/Front offices see him as a tier-3 prospect (projects as a starter) according to Ford's recent article.  Some people might think he has all-star potential, but you can find someone to say that about pretty  much every prospect.  The consensus seems to be he'll be a starter at best.  Which is probably fine... Smart is a borderline starter.  If he's better than Smart, and we trade Smart for something of value, I'm fine with it.
2 -  Even with Turner off the map, he needs to split minutes with Smart off the bench behind Bradley and Thomas. 
3  - One more year of D-leaguing for Rozier, Hunter, and Young - I'm not sure they'll ever find a role on this team.   You might be content to write these guys off, but I consider it a major failure if we wasted 3 straight first round picks on guys who never amount to anything on the Celtics.  Hate to see us waste 1st round picks like that.
4 - He injured his shoulder multiple times.  I've read it's a chronic problem.

Bottom line, though... if he's a future all-star like the minority thinks, so be it.    Hopefully he plays at an all-star level out of the gate, though, because he's going to turn 23 years old during his rookie season.   He was born within a couple weeks of Marcus Smart.

I'm fine with taking Dunn.  I'm just saying I will not be all that excited by it.  People thought Marcus Smart was going to be a future star too.   Drafting Dunn and relegating Smart to 5-10 minutes per game probably kills that asset as well.  None of the fans here want to admit it, but if we take Dunn, we're looking at a worse log jam than Philly is dealing with.  Way too many redundant guards.  Unless we're prepared to just bury young players and waste assets, we'd have to make some kind of follow-up trade.

[PaulP34]

I think drafting Dunn would be a dumb move. We already have a logjam at that position why draft another Marcus Smart ?

Don't be foolish Danny, pick Jaylen Brown. If you go and waste another pick on a point guard, its gonna kick u in the rear. Go get Jaylen.

[j804]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ca9f9wzt4Xw

20 mins of Dunn XD

(Same YouTuber has long compilations for the other top prospects we are interested in )

Wow I'm buying what Ford pointed out that he'd automatically be the best passing playmaker on our team even as young as he is. The kids vision is nice you can't teach that.

[byennie]

1 - Scouts/Front offices see him as a tier-3 prospect (projects as a starter) according to Ford's recent article.  Some people might think he has all-star potential, but you can find someone to say that about pretty  much every prospect.  The consensus seems to be he'll be a starter at best.  Which is probably fine... Smart is a borderline starter.  If he's better than Smart, and we trade Smart for something of value, I'm fine with it.
2 -  Even with Turner off the map, he needs to split minutes with Smart off the bench behind Bradley and Thomas. 
3  - One more year of D-leaguing for Rozier, Hunter, and Young - I'm not sure they'll ever find a role on this team.   You might be content to write these guys off, but I consider it a major failure if we wasted 3 straight first round picks on guys who never amount to anything on the Celtics.  Hate to see us waste 1st round picks like that.
4 - He injured his shoulder multiple times.  I've read it's a chronic problem.

Bottom line, though... if he's a future all-star like the minority thinks, so be it.    Hopefully he plays at an all-star level out of the gate, though, because he's going to turn 23 years old during his rookie season.   He was born within a couple weeks of Marcus Smart.

I'm fine with taking Dunn.  I'm just saying I will not be all that excited by it.  People thought Marcus Smart was going to be a future star too.   Drafting Dunn and relegating Smart to 5-10 minutes per game probably kills that asset as well.  None of the fans here want to admit it, but if we take Dunn, we're looking at a worse log jam than Philly is dealing with.  Way too many redundant guards.  Unless we're prepared to just bury young players and waste assets, we'd have to make some kind of follow-up trade.

I get where you're going, but I think you're twisting the tiers and projections. According to Ford's tiers (which are hardly the gospel) Dunn was a Tier 3 with some Tier 2 votes. So it's certainly possible that he would go more like 6-10 range in a stronger draft. Call it a high 3 or a low 2 I guess. How you get from Tier 2/3 to "the consensus is starter at best" I have no idea. The meaning of his tier ranking would be "projected starter (Tier 3) to potential All-Star (Tier 2)". Starter at best is more like Tier 4 or 5. Maybe you meant "projected to be 'just' a starter" or something? Of course 'just a starter' could still be a top-50 player without ever being an All-Star.

If he takes the Turner role, that's 28 mpg opened up no matter how you frame it. Smart, IT and Bradley already get enough minutes and don't need more. It's not just 4 guys for 2 spots.

Wasting Rozier does concern me a little, but I don't think limiting time for Young or Hunter is much of a factor. I wish they would pan out too, but Young is looking pretty likely to be a bust (barring some age related revelation), and Hunter was a late 1st rounder... if he does anything useful by his 3rd year or due to injuries ahead of him that'll be a bonus.

[Future Celtics Owner]

If Ainge does this he needs his head checked, 3 points in a row and before that it was 2 pf's in a row. If he does not make a trade to make room for Dunn or then he has lost his edge IMO.

If he really wants Dunn then trade IT and AB and Smart because we are not competing and we are holding onto good players that could fetch us a good young player.

Now if Ainge could trade Smart for Okafor, and IT and AB 4 Jabari and etclike John Henson. Then use the #3 for D. Russell
Also think in this case we should trade Crowder for the 6th pick, someone will drop:Hield, Bender, Dunn

Plus we still have the BKN 2017(choice of pick) and 2018 Nets picks.The BKN 2017 would actually still be good in this case because with such a young and up and coming team we would probably be in the lottery and probably the top 10....


But we could also see an improved Okafor on both sides and more physically matured/improved with much better shooting(15ft in/ and defense). Then a better 3-point shooting Parker with physical improvements and more experience. Also a better D. Russell who some predict could be a Harden type player, at least he can create his own offense and shoot the 3 at a clip of almost 40%, and play d.

We would still have the 2017 pick from BKN, which gives us a choice of BOS/BKN picks
Rozier
D. Russell
Jabari Parker
Bender
Okafor
If we take advantage of the current market and get Jabari, Okafor, D.Russell, select someone with the 6th, and trade the BKN 2017. I believe we could possibly have a playoff team, MAINLY because Brad Stevens and what he could do with that type of talent, but if we do not make the playoffs bc we decide to stay away from the Brandon Bass', Evan Turner's, Gigi's, JJ, Hump and other meaningless vets that are not in our future. If we stay away from those type of vets then we could also have another top pick in the 2017 draft lol after having traded the option a year before......that's value.

[Otsje P]

I don't see the point in drafting Dunn, other than a trade setup.

Smart as a sophomore was better than Dunn as a senior. They are about the same age now and Smart already has 2 NBA seasons under his belt.

Dunn is the player I do not want.

[ashanm10]

I don't see the point in drafting Dunn, other than a trade setup.

Smart as a sophomore was better than Dunn as a senior. They are about the same age now and Smart already has 2 NBA seasons under his belt.

Dunn is the player I do not want.

well I really hope that Smart has improved his offense because Dunn and Smart on the same lineup is pretty mint ^^ at the 1 and 2 respectively. Dunn's offense can improve too as they can both interchange as well with Thomas ^^ I dont see how drafting Dunn could go wrong lol He's gonna be impressive as long as he stays healthy

[Tr1boy]

Danny to stick it to the 76ers

But also his final game last year. It was a beauty.  Providence had no chance if it was not for dunn.

Vs North Carolina 29 pts

https://youtu.be/RlaF6Dg0gf8