The Official 2016-2017 Brooklyn Nets Season Watch Thread (20-62, #1)

[LarBrd33]

We're really counting on a Brook Lopez injury or trade, aren't we?

Sean Mays / Kenny Atkinson doing good work so far, all things considered.

We are.

This is all Obama's fault.

Mike

Theyll still be bottom 5 with Lopez healthy. If he goes down they'll challenge Philly fornworst record.

Maybe not.  They were only bottom 5 last year, because half their roster got ravaged by injuries.  Starting to see the impact of having healthy RHJ and a mediocre supporting cast around Lopez.

Ravaged?
They lost a rookie who had little impact on the W/L column and Jarret Jack about half way through the season. Injuries had absolutely nothing to do with their result, the fact that they had one of the worst rosters and benches in the NBA was why they sucked lol.

You sound like one of those climate change deniers who just won't relent.

You're talking about a team that made the playoffs two straight years and lost some depth that was then exposed when they saw their star rookie limited to 29 games, saw their starting PG limited to 32 games, saw their former star guard limited to 57 games.  It was a perfect storm of disaster for Brooklyn and we benefited by landing a decent Tier-3 prospect with some theoretical potential out of it.   Here's hoping they end up ravaged by injuries again this year.   If the season ended today, the pick would be #14 right now.   It's concerning... especially when Linsanity returns from injury.   I'm worried that celticsclay might need to retroactively change the topic of his "The most talked about inconsequential trade?" thread to be about the highly regarded KG/Pierce to Brooklyn deal.  If all we get out of it is James YOung, a rookie averaging 7 points, and some mid-to-late first round draft picks, it'll be a big disappointment... especially if you subscribe to the idea that Boston was still a contender when KG and Pierce were moved, which I do not.

Wait. So RHJ was a "star rookie" averaging 5.8 points, but Brown is "only" averaging 7 points. You really walked into that one... LOL

RHJ had the best Defensive Rating on the entire team and was right behind Lopez in offensive rating.  His absence was sorely missed.    Jaylen Brown is bottom 5 on our team in defensive rating and bottom 4 in offensive rating. 

You can see Jefferson's impact in games like Saturday night when he had 20 points, 13 rebounds, 4 assists, 1 block and 1 steal in a win.

If Brooklyn keeps this type of play up, we'll struggle to have enough assets to trade for a star.

[LarBrd33]

Regardless of how you felt about this perennial playoff team's suprising injury-plagued misstep last year, I think we can all agree that Brook Lopez is still Brook Lopez.  Jeremy Lin is a significant upgrade over having no starting point guard at all (He's averaging 15 points, 6.2 assists, 4 rebounds and 1.4 assists with 45% shooting... far better than having literally nothing).   I think we can all agree that having arguably their best two-way player (Rondae Hollis-Jefferson) is a lot better than only having him for 32 games.   I think we can all agree that Bojan Bogdanovic's improvement can't be understated (averaging 13 points, 4 rebounds).   I think we can all agree that having Sean Kilpatrick (who averaged 14 points with 46%/36%/90% shooting and was limited to 23 games) is an upgrade over having no scoring off the bench... he's averaging 16 points, 5 rebounds and 3 assists with a very typical Kilpatrick-esque 44%/37%/83% shooting.   I think we can all agree that Trevor Booker (averaging 10 points, 9 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 steals and a block) is a significant upgrade over the supremely overrated Thad Young.  Addition by subtraction.   I think we can all agree that Luis Scola off the bench (he started 76 games last year) is a big upgrade over the injury-riddled body of Andre Bargnani off the bench (limited to just 13.8 minutes per game over the course of just 46 games last year).    Most importantly, we can all agree that Kenny Atkinson is a significant upgrade over the two coaches who took disasterous turns at running the Nets last year before both getting fired (Lionel Hollins and Tony Brown).   

Lastly, I think we can all agree that this potentially significantly improved Nets team could be the 2016 Los Angeles Lakers of the Eastern Conference and theoretically sneak into the playoffs.  If Americans learned anything in the past week, it's that none of us should be counting any chickens too soon.

[tankcity!]

We're really counting on a Brook Lopez injury or trade, aren't we?

Sean Mays / Kenny Atkinson doing good work so far, all things considered.

We are.

This is all Obama's fault.

Mike

Theyll still be bottom 5 with Lopez healthy. If he goes down they'll challenge Philly fornworst record.

Maybe not.  They were only bottom 5 last year, because half their roster got ravaged by injuries.  Starting to see the impact of having healthy RHJ and a mediocre supporting cast around Lopez.

Ravaged?
They lost a rookie who had little impact on the W/L column and Jarret Jack about half way through the season. Injuries had absolutely nothing to do with their result, the fact that they had one of the worst rosters and benches in the NBA was why they sucked lol.

You sound like one of those climate change deniers who just won't relent.

You're talking about a team that made the playoffs two straight years and lost some depth that was then exposed when they saw their star rookie limited to 29 games, saw their starting PG limited to 32 games, saw their former star guard limited to 57 games.  It was a perfect storm of disaster for Brooklyn and we benefited by landing a decent Tier-3 prospect with some theoretical potential out of it.   Here's hoping they end up ravaged by injuries again this year.   If the season ended today, the pick would be #14 right now.   It's concerning... especially when Linsanity returns from injury.   I'm worried that celticsclay might need to retroactively change the topic of his "The most talked about inconsequential trade?" thread to be about the highly regarded KG/Pierce to Brooklyn deal.  If all we get out of it is James YOung, a rookie averaging 7 points, and some mid-to-late first round draft picks, it'll be a big disappointment... especially if you subscribe to the idea that Boston was still a contender when KG and Pierce were moved, which I do not.

Wait. So RHJ was a "star rookie" averaging 5.8 points, but Brown is "only" averaging 7 points. You really walked into that one... LOL

RHJ had the best Defensive Rating on the entire team and was right behind Lopez in offensive rating.  His absence was sorely missed.    Jaylen Brown is bottom 5 on our team in defensive rating and bottom 4 in offensive rating. 

You can see Jefferson's impact in games like Saturday night when he had 20 points, 13 rebounds, 4 assists, 1 block and 1 steal in a win.

If Brooklyn keeps this type of play up, we'll struggle to have enough assets to trade for a star.

I feel like everyone is ignoring this point. Sure Brooklyn may not make the playoffs and the pick ends up at the 8-12 range. Nobody wants that pick. We've had it before and traded it for freaking Telfair.

It's a sad year thus far. At least Smart is playing well, aka french fries. He looks like he's been eating french fries, that's for sure.

[chambers]

We're really counting on a Brook Lopez injury or trade, aren't we?

Sean Mays / Kenny Atkinson doing good work so far, all things considered.

We are.

This is all Obama's fault.

Mike

Theyll still be bottom 5 with Lopez healthy. If he goes down they'll challenge Philly fornworst record.

Maybe not.  They were only bottom 5 last year, because half their roster got ravaged by injuries.  Starting to see the impact of having healthy RHJ and a mediocre supporting cast around Lopez.

Ravaged?
They lost a rookie who had little impact on the W/L column and Jarret Jack about half way through the season. Injuries had absolutely nothing to do with their result, the fact that they had one of the worst rosters and benches in the NBA was why they sucked lol.

You sound like one of those climate change deniers who just won't relent.

You're talking about a team that made the playoffs two straight years and lost some depth that was then exposed when they saw their star rookie limited to 29 games, saw their starting PG limited to 32 games, saw their former star guard limited to 57 games.  It was a perfect storm of disaster for Brooklyn and we benefited by landing a decent Tier-3 prospect with some theoretical potential out of it.   Here's hoping they end up ravaged by injuries again this year.   If the season ended today, the pick would be #14 right now.   It's concerning... especially when Linsanity returns from injury.   I'm worried that celticsclay might need to retroactively change the topic of his "The most talked about inconsequential trade?" thread to be about the highly regarded KG/Pierce to Brooklyn deal.  If all we get out of it is James YOung, a rookie averaging 7 points, and some mid-to-late first round draft picks, it'll be a big disappointment... especially if you subscribe to the idea that Boston was still a contender when KG and Pierce were moved, which I do not.

Wait. So RHJ was a "star rookie" averaging 5.8 points, but Brown is "only" averaging 7 points. You really walked into that one... LOL

RHJ had the best Defensive Rating on the entire team and was right behind Lopez in offensive rating.  His absence was sorely missed.    Jaylen Brown is bottom 5 on our team in defensive rating and bottom 4 in offensive rating. 

You can see Jefferson's impact in games like Saturday night when he had 20 points, 13 rebounds, 4 assists, 1 block and 1 steal in a win.

If Brooklyn keeps this type of play up, we'll struggle to have enough assets to trade for a star.

They still had their 3 best players for the entire season. They had their 6th man, Bogdanovic, for the entire season. They lost a rookie averaging 5 points with some defense, and their 32 year old scrub of a starting PG in Jarrett Jack.

Jarrett Jack was the worst starting point guard in the NBA last season. 26% from 3pt, 4.7 assists, and a +/- of -4.6 for the season. He was absolute trash and was one of the main reasons they were so poor.

They were simply not constructed to win many games. They had the 27th offensive rating and the 29th defensive rating.
Their bench included Andrea Bargani and Thomas Robinson and they literally had a 15 man rotation. In fact 13 of their players averaged over 15 minutes a game, and 10 of their players averaged 20 minutes a game.

You repeatedly stick to the 'decimated by injuries' argument, when we were all saying they weren't deep enough to withstand any injuries and it was why they would suck.

Again, Brook Lopez was healthy. Joe Johnson was healthy. Thadeus Young was healthy.
Shane Larkin took fewer shots, had better percentages, and had the same assist totals as Jack.

You must be trolling at this point.

[tankcity!]

We're really counting on a Brook Lopez injury or trade, aren't we?

Sean Mays / Kenny Atkinson doing good work so far, all things considered.

We are.

This is all Obama's fault.

Mike

Theyll still be bottom 5 with Lopez healthy. If he goes down they'll challenge Philly fornworst record.

Maybe not.  They were only bottom 5 last year, because half their roster got ravaged by injuries.  Starting to see the impact of having healthy RHJ and a mediocre supporting cast around Lopez.

Ravaged?
They lost a rookie who had little impact on the W/L column and Jarret Jack about half way through the season. Injuries had absolutely nothing to do with their result, the fact that they had one of the worst rosters and benches in the NBA was why they sucked lol.

You sound like one of those climate change deniers who just won't relent.

You're talking about a team that made the playoffs two straight years and lost some depth that was then exposed when they saw their star rookie limited to 29 games, saw their starting PG limited to 32 games, saw their former star guard limited to 57 games.  It was a perfect storm of disaster for Brooklyn and we benefited by landing a decent Tier-3 prospect with some theoretical potential out of it.   Here's hoping they end up ravaged by injuries again this year.   If the season ended today, the pick would be #14 right now.   It's concerning... especially when Linsanity returns from injury.   I'm worried that celticsclay might need to retroactively change the topic of his "The most talked about inconsequential trade?" thread to be about the highly regarded KG/Pierce to Brooklyn deal.  If all we get out of it is James YOung, a rookie averaging 7 points, and some mid-to-late first round draft picks, it'll be a big disappointment... especially if you subscribe to the idea that Boston was still a contender when KG and Pierce were moved, which I do not.

Wait. So RHJ was a "star rookie" averaging 5.8 points, but Brown is "only" averaging 7 points. You really walked into that one... LOL

RHJ had the best Defensive Rating on the entire team and was right behind Lopez in offensive rating.  His absence was sorely missed.    Jaylen Brown is bottom 5 on our team in defensive rating and bottom 4 in offensive rating. 

You can see Jefferson's impact in games like Saturday night when he had 20 points, 13 rebounds, 4 assists, 1 block and 1 steal in a win.

If Brooklyn keeps this type of play up, we'll struggle to have enough assets to trade for a star.

They still had their 3 best players for the entire season. They had their 6th man, Bogdanovic, for the entire season. They lost a rookie averaging 5 points with some defense, and their 32 year old scrub of a starting PG in Jarrett Jack.

Jarrett Jack was the worst starting point guard in the NBA last season. 26% from 3pt, 4.7 assists, and a +/- of -4.6 for the season. He was absolute trash and was one of the main reasons they were so poor.

They were simply not constructed to win many games. They had the 27th offensive rating and the 29th defensive rating.
Their bench included Andrea Bargani and Thomas Robinson and they literally had a 15 man rotation. In fact 13 of their players averaged over 15 minutes a game, and 10 of their players averaged 20 minutes a game.

You repeatedly stick to the 'decimated by injuries' argument, when we were all saying they weren't deep enough to withstand any injuries and it was why they would suck.

Again, Brook Lopez was healthy. Joe Johnson was healthy. Thadeus Young was healthy.
Shane Larkin took fewer shots, had better percentages, and had the same assist totals as Jack.

You must be trolling at this point.

You're not taking into account how garbage of a coach Hollins was and how much better Atkinson is...It's pretty evident at this point the pick will not be a top 5 pick.

[LarBrd33]

We're really counting on a Brook Lopez injury or trade, aren't we?

Sean Mays / Kenny Atkinson doing good work so far, all things considered.

We are.

This is all Obama's fault.

Mike

Theyll still be bottom 5 with Lopez healthy. If he goes down they'll challenge Philly fornworst record.

Maybe not.  They were only bottom 5 last year, because half their roster got ravaged by injuries.  Starting to see the impact of having healthy RHJ and a mediocre supporting cast around Lopez.

Ravaged?
They lost a rookie who had little impact on the W/L column and Jarret Jack about half way through the season. Injuries had absolutely nothing to do with their result, the fact that they had one of the worst rosters and benches in the NBA was why they sucked lol.

You sound like one of those climate change deniers who just won't relent.

You're talking about a team that made the playoffs two straight years and lost some depth that was then exposed when they saw their star rookie limited to 29 games, saw their starting PG limited to 32 games, saw their former star guard limited to 57 games.  It was a perfect storm of disaster for Brooklyn and we benefited by landing a decent Tier-3 prospect with some theoretical potential out of it.   Here's hoping they end up ravaged by injuries again this year.   If the season ended today, the pick would be #14 right now.   It's concerning... especially when Linsanity returns from injury.   I'm worried that celticsclay might need to retroactively change the topic of his "The most talked about inconsequential trade?" thread to be about the highly regarded KG/Pierce to Brooklyn deal.  If all we get out of it is James YOung, a rookie averaging 7 points, and some mid-to-late first round draft picks, it'll be a big disappointment... especially if you subscribe to the idea that Boston was still a contender when KG and Pierce were moved, which I do not.

Wait. So RHJ was a "star rookie" averaging 5.8 points, but Brown is "only" averaging 7 points. You really walked into that one... LOL

RHJ had the best Defensive Rating on the entire team and was right behind Lopez in offensive rating.  His absence was sorely missed.    Jaylen Brown is bottom 5 on our team in defensive rating and bottom 4 in offensive rating. 

You can see Jefferson's impact in games like Saturday night when he had 20 points, 13 rebounds, 4 assists, 1 block and 1 steal in a win.

If Brooklyn keeps this type of play up, we'll struggle to have enough assets to trade for a star.

I feel like everyone is ignoring this point. Sure Brooklyn may not make the playoffs and the pick ends up at the 8-12 range. Nobody wants that pick. We've had it before and traded it for freaking Telfair.

It's a sad year thus far. At least Smart is playing well, aka french fries. He looks like he's been eating french fries, that's for sure.

Timing is everything.  We tried trading the 2016 Brooklyn pick for Okafor at the trade deadline and reportedly came very close, but Philly backed out.  Flash forward a few months, the pick falls outside the top 2, Boston passes on the popular Kris Dunn to take a multi-year project, and Okafor is looking better every game.  Did we blow it by not sweetening the offer back in February?  Maybe.   Likewise, did we have some offers on the table this SUmmer for the 2017 or 2018 Brooklyn picks that we turned down?  Are we going to regret it as Brooklyn threatens for a Playoffs spot?   I sure hope not.  Teams love the idea at landing an unprotected pick that has a chance to land at the top of a good draft.   It gets hairy when the pick falls outside the money zone.  The money zone was 2 picks deep last season.  I hope the money zone is deeper this draft.  For what it's worth, I saw on this Forum that Lonzo Ball is "the real deal" and draftexpress has him going #14 where the Brooklyn pick would fall if the season ended today.  If the money zone is actually that deep, that's encouraging.  Also, there's still a chance that Brooklyn gets ravaged by injuries again.  I'm don't like to wish for NBA players to get injured, but I really hope something happens.  Maybe they'll cash in on Lopez for draft picks and the team will plummet.  Crossing my fingers.   I hope my fears about the Nets are baseless.  I've learned to take nothing for granted in the year 2016, though.

[tazzmaniac]

Lopez is apparently being sat out tonight against the Clippers.  Makes sense resting him in a game that they have little chance to win.  They sat him against the Bucks and ended up losing by two.  So this looks like a pattern to manage his minutes.  If he's going to miss 2 games out of 10 throughout the season that should be a nice boost for our Nets pick. 

[LarBrd33]

Lopez is apparently being sat out tonight against the Clippers.  Makes sense resting him in a game that they have little chance to win.  They sat him against the Bucks and ended up losing by two.  So this looks like a pattern to manage his minutes.  If he's going to miss 2 games out of 10 throughout the season that should be a nice boost for our Nets pick.

Great news. 

[SCeltic34]

We're really counting on a Brook Lopez injury or trade, aren't we?

Sean Mays / Kenny Atkinson doing good work so far, all things considered.

We are.

This is all Obama's fault.

Mike

Theyll still be bottom 5 with Lopez healthy. If he goes down they'll challenge Philly fornworst record.

Maybe not.  They were only bottom 5 last year, because half their roster got ravaged by injuries.  Starting to see the impact of having healthy RHJ and a mediocre supporting cast around Lopez.

Ravaged?
They lost a rookie who had little impact on the W/L column and Jarret Jack about half way through the season. Injuries had absolutely nothing to do with their result, the fact that they had one of the worst rosters and benches in the NBA was why they sucked lol.

You sound like one of those climate change deniers who just won't relent.

You're talking about a team that made the playoffs two straight years and lost some depth that was then exposed when they saw their star rookie limited to 29 games, saw their starting PG limited to 32 games, saw their former star guard limited to 57 games.  It was a perfect storm of disaster for Brooklyn and we benefited by landing a decent Tier-3 prospect with some theoretical potential out of it.   Here's hoping they end up ravaged by injuries again this year.   If the season ended today, the pick would be #14 right now.   It's concerning... especially when Linsanity returns from injury.   I'm worried that celticsclay might need to retroactively change the topic of his "The most talked about inconsequential trade?" thread to be about the highly regarded KG/Pierce to Brooklyn deal.  If all we get out of it is James YOung, a rookie averaging 7 points, and some mid-to-late first round draft picks, it'll be a big disappointment... especially if you subscribe to the idea that Boston was still a contender when KG and Pierce were moved, which I do not.

Wait. So RHJ was a "star rookie" averaging 5.8 points, but Brown is "only" averaging 7 points. You really walked into that one... LOL

RHJ had the best Defensive Rating on the entire team and was right behind Lopez in offensive rating.  His absence was sorely missed.    Jaylen Brown is bottom 5 on our team in defensive rating and bottom 4 in offensive rating. 

You can see Jefferson's impact in games like Saturday night when he had 20 points, 13 rebounds, 4 assists, 1 block and 1 steal in a win.

If Brooklyn keeps this type of play up, we'll struggle to have enough assets to trade for a star.

They still had their 3 best players for the entire season. They had their 6th man, Bogdanovic, for the entire season. They lost a rookie averaging 5 points with some defense, and their 32 year old scrub of a starting PG in Jarrett Jack.

Jarrett Jack was the worst starting point guard in the NBA last season. 26% from 3pt, 4.7 assists, and a +/- of -4.6 for the season. He was absolute trash and was one of the main reasons they were so poor.

They were simply not constructed to win many games. They had the 27th offensive rating and the 29th defensive rating.
Their bench included Andrea Bargani and Thomas Robinson and they literally had a 15 man rotation. In fact 13 of their players averaged over 15 minutes a game, and 10 of their players averaged 20 minutes a game.

You repeatedly stick to the 'decimated by injuries' argument, when we were all saying they weren't deep enough to withstand any injuries and it was why they would suck.

Again, Brook Lopez was healthy. Joe Johnson was healthy. Thadeus Young was healthy.
Shane Larkin took fewer shots, had better percentages, and had the same assist totals as Jack.

You must be trolling at this point.

This has already been argued to death.  The fact is they won only 21 games, and at no point last season were the Nets - healthy or not - on pace to win 35 games.  Argument over.

What is slightly concerning this season is the Nets actually have played some really good ball in the games that they won, whereas last season they basically looked like trash the entire way.  Atkinson is getting the most out of that team for sure.  Still, there's 73 games left in the season and their schedule gets tougher.  A lot can change across the league.  Teams are still finding themselves. I think that the Nets will finish in the bottom 5, especially if they're going to sit Lopez out a bunch of games.

[kraidstar]

The Nets are like a European team playing against Team USA in the Olympics.

They have little quality talent, so they jack up a ton of threes. Sometimes those threes might carry them to victory.

They are 3rd in the league with 34.2 3pt attempts per game, despite being just 19th in overall FG attempted per game.

But there is precious little slashing or defensive talent there. Once opposing teams start scheming for that, the Nets will be in for a much tougher time.

[Redz]

Clippers up 39-14 after 1. 

Looks like the Nets and Celts won't be tied in the standings after tonight.

[libermaniac]

Clippers up 39-14 after 1. 

Looks like the Nets and Celts won't be tied in the standings after tonight.

Finally a night we can just relax and chalk up the L.  They've been pi$$ing me off with their scrappy play.

[celticsclay]

We're really counting on a Brook Lopez injury or trade, aren't we?

Sean Mays / Kenny Atkinson doing good work so far, all things considered.

We are.

This is all Obama's fault.

Mike

Theyll still be bottom 5 with Lopez healthy. If he goes down they'll challenge Philly fornworst record.

Maybe not.  They were only bottom 5 last year, because half their roster got ravaged by injuries.  Starting to see the impact of having healthy RHJ and a mediocre supporting cast around Lopez.

Ravaged?
They lost a rookie who had little impact on the W/L column and Jarret Jack about half way through the season. Injuries had absolutely nothing to do with their result, the fact that they had one of the worst rosters and benches in the NBA was why they sucked lol.

You sound like one of those climate change deniers who just won't relent.

You're talking about a team that made the playoffs two straight years and lost some depth that was then exposed when they saw their star rookie limited to 29 games, saw their starting PG limited to 32 games, saw their former star guard limited to 57 games.  It was a perfect storm of disaster for Brooklyn and we benefited by landing a decent Tier-3 prospect with some theoretical potential out of it.   Here's hoping they end up ravaged by injuries again this year.   If the season ended today, the pick would be #14 right now.   It's concerning... especially when Linsanity returns from injury.   I'm worried that celticsclay might need to retroactively change the topic of his "The most talked about inconsequential trade?" thread to be about the highly regarded KG/Pierce to Brooklyn deal.  If all we get out of it is James YOung, a rookie averaging 7 points, and some mid-to-late first round draft picks, it'll be a big disappointment... especially if you subscribe to the idea that Boston was still a contender when KG and Pierce were moved, which I do not.

Wait. So RHJ was a "star rookie" averaging 5.8 points, but Brown is "only" averaging 7 points. You really walked into that one... LOL

RHJ had the best Defensive Rating on the entire team and was right behind Lopez in offensive rating.  His absence was sorely missed.    Jaylen Brown is bottom 5 on our team in defensive rating and bottom 4 in offensive rating. 

You can see Jefferson's impact in games like Saturday night when he had 20 points, 13 rebounds, 4 assists, 1 block and 1 steal in a win.

If Brooklyn keeps this type of play up, we'll struggle to have enough assets to trade for a star.

They still had their 3 best players for the entire season. They had their 6th man, Bogdanovic, for the entire season. They lost a rookie averaging 5 points with some defense, and their 32 year old scrub of a starting PG in Jarrett Jack.

Jarrett Jack was the worst starting point guard in the NBA last season. 26% from 3pt, 4.7 assists, and a +/- of -4.6 for the season. He was absolute trash and was one of the main reasons they were so poor.

They were simply not constructed to win many games. They had the 27th offensive rating and the 29th defensive rating.
Their bench included Andrea Bargani and Thomas Robinson and they literally had a 15 man rotation. In fact 13 of their players averaged over 15 minutes a game, and 10 of their players averaged 20 minutes a game.

You repeatedly stick to the 'decimated by injuries' argument, when we were all saying they weren't deep enough to withstand any injuries and it was why they would suck.

Again, Brook Lopez was healthy. Joe Johnson was healthy. Thadeus Young was healthy.
Shane Larkin took fewer shots, had better percentages, and had the same assist totals as Jack.

You must be trolling at this point.

This has already been argued to death.  The fact is they won only 21 games, and at no point last season were the Nets - healthy or not - on pace to win 35 games.  Argument over.

What is slightly concerning this season is the Nets actually have played some really good ball in the games that they won, whereas last season they basically looked like trash the entire way.  Atkinson is getting the most out of that team for sure.  Still, there's 73 games left in the season and their schedule gets tougher.  A lot can change across the league.  Teams are still finding themselves. I think that the Nets will finish in the bottom 5, especially if they're going to sit Lopez out a bunch of games.

people that are being serious realize the nets had unbelievably good health last year. Don't let some jokes from lb make you feel otherwise. I wish they had actually been ravaged. We would have got Ben Simmons!

[Denis998]

We're really counting on a Brook Lopez injury or trade, aren't we?

Sean Mays / Kenny Atkinson doing good work so far, all things considered.

We are.

This is all Obama's fault.

Mike

Theyll still be bottom 5 with Lopez healthy. If he goes down they'll challenge Philly fornworst record.

Maybe not.  They were only bottom 5 last year, because half their roster got ravaged by injuries.  Starting to see the impact of having healthy RHJ and a mediocre supporting cast around Lopez.

Ravaged?
They lost a rookie who had little impact on the W/L column and Jarret Jack about half way through the season. Injuries had absolutely nothing to do with their result, the fact that they had one of the worst rosters and benches in the NBA was why they sucked lol.

You sound like one of those climate change deniers who just won't relent.

You're talking about a team that made the playoffs two straight years and lost some depth that was then exposed when they saw their star rookie limited to 29 games, saw their starting PG limited to 32 games, saw their former star guard limited to 57 games.  It was a perfect storm of disaster for Brooklyn and we benefited by landing a decent Tier-3 prospect with some theoretical potential out of it.   Here's hoping they end up ravaged by injuries again this year.   If the season ended today, the pick would be #14 right now.   It's concerning... especially when Linsanity returns from injury.   I'm worried that celticsclay might need to retroactively change the topic of his "The most talked about inconsequential trade?" thread to be about the highly regarded KG/Pierce to Brooklyn deal.  If all we get out of it is James YOung, a rookie averaging 7 points, and some mid-to-late first round draft picks, it'll be a big disappointment... especially if you subscribe to the idea that Boston was still a contender when KG and Pierce were moved, which I do not.

Wait. So RHJ was a "star rookie" averaging 5.8 points, but Brown is "only" averaging 7 points. You really walked into that one... LOL

RHJ had the best Defensive Rating on the entire team and was right behind Lopez in offensive rating.  His absence was sorely missed.    Jaylen Brown is bottom 5 on our team in defensive rating and bottom 4 in offensive rating. 

You can see Jefferson's impact in games like Saturday night when he had 20 points, 13 rebounds, 4 assists, 1 block and 1 steal in a win.

If Brooklyn keeps this type of play up, we'll struggle to have enough assets to trade for a star.

They still had their 3 best players for the entire season. They had their 6th man, Bogdanovic, for the entire season. They lost a rookie averaging 5 points with some defense, and their 32 year old scrub of a starting PG in Jarrett Jack.

Jarrett Jack was the worst starting point guard in the NBA last season. 26% from 3pt, 4.7 assists, and a +/- of -4.6 for the season. He was absolute trash and was one of the main reasons they were so poor.

They were simply not constructed to win many games. They had the 27th offensive rating and the 29th defensive rating.
Their bench included Andrea Bargani and Thomas Robinson and they literally had a 15 man rotation. In fact 13 of their players averaged over 15 minutes a game, and 10 of their players averaged 20 minutes a game.

You repeatedly stick to the 'decimated by injuries' argument, when we were all saying they weren't deep enough to withstand any injuries and it was why they would suck.

Again, Brook Lopez was healthy. Joe Johnson was healthy. Thadeus Young was healthy.
Shane Larkin took fewer shots, had better percentages, and had the same assist totals as Jack.

You must be trolling at this point.

This has already been argued to death.  The fact is they won only 21 games, and at no point last season were the Nets - healthy or not - on pace to win 35 games.  Argument over.

What is slightly concerning this season is the Nets actually have played some really good ball in the games that they won, whereas last season they basically looked like trash the entire way.  Atkinson is getting the most out of that team for sure.  Still, there's 73 games left in the season and their schedule gets tougher.  A lot can change across the league.  Teams are still finding themselves. I think that the Nets will finish in the bottom 5, especially if they're going to sit Lopez out a bunch of games.

people that are being serious realize the nets had unbelievably good health last year. Don't let some jokes from lb make you feel otherwise. I wish they had actually been ravaged. We would have got Ben Simmons!

Last season Brooklyn lost RHJ, Jack, Dwill, Johnson, and Lopez/Young

[celticsclay]

We're really counting on a Brook Lopez injury or trade, aren't we?

Sean Mays / Kenny Atkinson doing good work so far, all things considered.

We are.

This is all Obama's fault.

Mike

Theyll still be bottom 5 with Lopez healthy. If he goes down they'll challenge Philly fornworst record.

Maybe not.  They were only bottom 5 last year, because half their roster got ravaged by injuries.  Starting to see the impact of having healthy RHJ and a mediocre supporting cast around Lopez.

Ravaged?
They lost a rookie who had little impact on the W/L column and Jarret Jack about half way through the season. Injuries had absolutely nothing to do with their result, the fact that they had one of the worst rosters and benches in the NBA was why they sucked lol.

You sound like one of those climate change deniers who just won't relent.

You're talking about a team that made the playoffs two straight years and lost some depth that was then exposed when they saw their star rookie limited to 29 games, saw their starting PG limited to 32 games, saw their former star guard limited to 57 games.  It was a perfect storm of disaster for Brooklyn and we benefited by landing a decent Tier-3 prospect with some theoretical potential out of it.   Here's hoping they end up ravaged by injuries again this year.   If the season ended today, the pick would be #14 right now.   It's concerning... especially when Linsanity returns from injury.   I'm worried that celticsclay might need to retroactively change the topic of his "The most talked about inconsequential trade?" thread to be about the highly regarded KG/Pierce to Brooklyn deal.  If all we get out of it is James YOung, a rookie averaging 7 points, and some mid-to-late first round draft picks, it'll be a big disappointment... especially if you subscribe to the idea that Boston was still a contender when KG and Pierce were moved, which I do not.

Wait. So RHJ was a "star rookie" averaging 5.8 points, but Brown is "only" averaging 7 points. You really walked into that one... LOL

RHJ had the best Defensive Rating on the entire team and was right behind Lopez in offensive rating.  His absence was sorely missed.    Jaylen Brown is bottom 5 on our team in defensive rating and bottom 4 in offensive rating. 

You can see Jefferson's impact in games like Saturday night when he had 20 points, 13 rebounds, 4 assists, 1 block and 1 steal in a win.

If Brooklyn keeps this type of play up, we'll struggle to have enough assets to trade for a star.

They still had their 3 best players for the entire season. They had their 6th man, Bogdanovic, for the entire season. They lost a rookie averaging 5 points with some defense, and their 32 year old scrub of a starting PG in Jarrett Jack.

Jarrett Jack was the worst starting point guard in the NBA last season. 26% from 3pt, 4.7 assists, and a +/- of -4.6 for the season. He was absolute trash and was one of the main reasons they were so poor.

They were simply not constructed to win many games. They had the 27th offensive rating and the 29th defensive rating.
Their bench included Andrea Bargani and Thomas Robinson and they literally had a 15 man rotation. In fact 13 of their players averaged over 15 minutes a game, and 10 of their players averaged 20 minutes a game.

You repeatedly stick to the 'decimated by injuries' argument, when we were all saying they weren't deep enough to withstand any injuries and it was why they would suck.

Again, Brook Lopez was healthy. Joe Johnson was healthy. Thadeus Young was healthy.
Shane Larkin took fewer shots, had better percentages, and had the same assist totals as Jack.

You must be trolling at this point.

This has already been argued to death.  The fact is they won only 21 games, and at no point last season were the Nets - healthy or not - on pace to win 35 games.  Argument over.

What is slightly concerning this season is the Nets actually have played some really good ball in the games that they won, whereas last season they basically looked like trash the entire way.  Atkinson is getting the most out of that team for sure.  Still, there's 73 games left in the season and their schedule gets tougher.  A lot can change across the league.  Teams are still finding themselves. I think that the Nets will finish in the bottom 5, especially if they're going to sit Lopez out a bunch of games.

people that are being serious realize the nets had unbelievably good health last year. Don't let some jokes from lb make you feel otherwise. I wish they had actually been ravaged. We would have got Ben Simmons!

Last season Brooklyn lost RHJ, Jack, Dwill, Johnson, and Lopez/Young

umm. Do you actually follow the nets? Not trying to be a jerk but being a fairy invested Celtics fan it is hard to believe you would t realize deron Williams was cut before the season. Also Johnson was not injured he was waived and had good health when he was on the nets. Lopez and young were healthy the entire season and were rested at the very end (Lopez will rest even more this year). So yeah... pretty far off on that post.