Who has less Leverage?

[mmmmm]

They are under pressure for this draft.    To many picks and not enough roster spots.   

Danny is saved from that roster pressure due to the fact that this draft is unusually strong in international players, many who are young and very probable "draft and stash" candidates.  Danny almost certainly has obtained agreements with some that if he drafts them they will agree to be stashed.

That's not as ideal as simply trading a few of those picks, but it takes away the artificial pressure to "have to" do so.

[mmmmm]

With three PGs being traded in the last hour, Philly is running low on alternatives.

Yea that certainly does not help that teague and rose are off the market.

Not sure it matters if they actually plan to use Simmons as a PG.   

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_Xl61KBWb8

I think they need shooters more than anything.

I agree. Simmons should be the primary ball handler.

Who defends the quick guards on the pick & roll?  The Irvings, Thomases & Walls?

[mmmmm]

With three PGs being traded in the last hour, Philly is running low on alternatives.

Yea that certainly does not help that teague and rose are off the market.

Not sure it matters if they actually plan to use Simmons as a PG.   

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_Xl61KBWb8

I think they need shooters more than anything.

I agree. Simmons should be the primary ball handler.

Perhaps from a point forward position like Lebron, but certainly not as a guard like they're talking about doing. That'd be a disaster.

I think they need a point guard but someone who can share and isn't ball dominant. Also who can shoot.

If that team projects they way they want, they probably will feed the ball to Embiid/Simmons to create offense.  Shooters are important.  Honestly, Avery Bradley as a default PG would make sense in Philly.  He can shoot, defend and handle the ball a little.   Bradley + #16 for Noel might make sense for both teams if Boston can land a SG with the #3.

I've seen Ben Simmons called a 6'10 Rajon Rondo in the sense that he can run the fast break, handle the ball and pass, but will be a liability without the ball in his hands (can't shoot).  So for the most part they probably want him creating offense.

I like that idea:

Bradley and 16 for Noel.  Then draft Hield.

Bradley for Noel straight up is an overpay by C's let alone adding 16

Yeah, agreed.  That trade ain't happening.

Noel has just one year on his contract before he will need to get paid a lot more as a RFA.

Bradley is an All-Defensive player who has above average offensive value (including critical 3PT shooting) locked up for two more years on a dirt cheap deal.

Straight up, Bradley is worth more.   You are going to have to tack on additional value on top of Noel to make that deal work.   Saric's rights.  Laker's pick.  Reach into the wallet, now.  Pull out those cards.

[Celtics18]

With three PGs being traded in the last hour, Philly is running low on alternatives.

Yea that certainly does not help that teague and rose are off the market.

Not sure it matters if they actually plan to use Simmons as a PG.   

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_Xl61KBWb8

I think they need shooters more than anything.

I agree. Simmons should be the primary ball handler.

Perhaps from a point forward position like Lebron, but certainly not as a guard like they're talking about doing. That'd be a disaster.

I think they need a point guard but someone who can share and isn't ball dominant. Also who can shoot.

If that team projects they way they want, they probably will feed the ball to Embiid/Simmons to create offense.  Shooters are important.  Honestly, Avery Bradley as a default PG would make sense in Philly.  He can shoot, defend and handle the ball a little.   Bradley + #16 for Noel might make sense for both teams if Boston can land a SG with the #3.

I've seen Ben Simmons called a 6'10 Rajon Rondo in the sense that he can run the fast break, handle the ball and pass, but will be a liability without the ball in his hands (can't shoot).  So for the most part they probably want him creating offense.

I like that idea:

Bradley and 16 for Noel.  Then draft Hield.

Bradley for Noel straight up is an overpay by C's let alone adding 16

Yeah, agreed.  That trade ain't happening.

Noel has just one year on his contract before he will need to get paid a lot more as a RFA.

Bradley is an All-Defensive player who has above average offensive value (including critical 3PT shooting) locked up for two more years on a dirt cheap deal.

Straight up, Bradley is worth more.   You are going to have to tack on additional value on top of Noel to make that deal work.   Saric's rights.  Laker's pick.  Reach into the wallet, now.  Pull out those cards.

Ok. You've convinced me.  Saric and Noel for Bradley and 16.

[heyvik]

Neither...according to fordinsider

talks at a standstill....Ainge holding out for more from Sixers....
and to my dismay its #3 for Okafor NOT Noel.

[droopdog7]

If Ainge wants to get better next year, he has to trade the 3 for Noel or Okafor. He's running out of options.

Noel is not very good.  Danny Ainge should be fired if he trades the #3 for that guy.

But the options at #3 might not be very good either.

Chances are very high there will be a multiple time all star available at three.

Chances are very low that we pick whoever that mystery guy will be.  Okafor has star potential, though.  Which is something you can't say about any of the guys available 3rd.  Of course there could be some surprises, but this is looked at as a tier full of pretty weak options.  Hence why pretty much every pick after #2 is available in trades.

There are lots of folks who see star potential in each guy in that 3 to 8 range.  History shows that chances are very high that somebody in that range will be a star.  Personally, I don't see much star potential in Okafor, although apparently others do.

I'd prefer to take my chances with the draft.  We'll see what Danny ends up doing.

I think you missed the point.  I agree, there is a good chance that someone in the 3-8 range becomes an all-star.  The problem is, we might pick the wrong one.  And you see star potential in the #3 pick but you don't see star potential in Okafor (who was the #3 pick in a better draft)?  Not sure what to say there.

Honestly, I do not believe the reports that DA is holding up an Okafor trade because he wants more from Philly.  If we get Okafor for #3, you do it in a heartbeat.  I think it is the other way around.  I think Philly wants more than just the #3 pick and its DA who is unwilling to budge.

As for the OP, no one has less leverage.  Philly can continue to suck with a talented players and a mismatched lineup for a while more if they like.  There ARE teams that will covet their players and they'll deal when they need to.

[Evantime34]

Neither...according to fordinsider

talks at a standstill....Ainge holding out for more from Sixers....
and to my dismay its #3 for Okafor NOT Noel.

I wonder what they would want in addition to 3 for Okafor or Noel. Is Covington enough to do it? Is Danny asking for Saric (who kind of duplicates what Simmons does)? Or is Danny trying to take them to the cleaners and demanding the Lakers pick.

[heyvik]

Neither...according to fordinsider

talks at a standstill....Ainge holding out for more from Sixers....
and to my dismay its #3 for Okafor NOT Noel.

I wonder what they would want in addition to 3 for Okafor or Noel. Is Covington enough to do it? Is Danny asking for Saric (who kind of duplicates what Simmons does)? Or is Danny trying to take them to the cleaners and demanding the Lakers pick.

its about 12 ET on Draft day and I think Danny is trying to take them to the cleaners...I also think that once Ainge decides to trade for Noel (whom I prefer) then I think you will see probably about 4-5 other contingent trades throughout the NBA.

[Evantime34]

Neither...according to fordinsider

talks at a standstill....Ainge holding out for more from Sixers....
and to my dismay its #3 for Okafor NOT Noel.

I wonder what they would want in addition to 3 for Okafor or Noel. Is Covington enough to do it? Is Danny asking for Saric (who kind of duplicates what Simmons does)? Or is Danny trying to take them to the cleaners and demanding the Lakers pick.

its about 12 ET on Draft day and I think Danny is trying to take them to the cleaners...I also think that once Ainge decides to trade for Noel (whom I prefer) then I think you will see probably about 4-5 other contingent trades throughout the NBA.

It would be great to see Ainge take Philly to the cleaners. A lot of the Sixers fans and twitter people are pretty smug about how great their team is going to be.

 It's funny because in general I like what Hinkie did, but because of how over to the top some people on here were about the process I am actively rooting for the Sixers to fail.