Trade Idea: Bradley and #3 for Parker and #10?

[Csfan1984]

Given the situation for both teams I don't think AB for 10 needs to be in there just add the 31st pick. Bucks want to draft another big man. Lab, Sabonis, Poeltl, or Davis. C's need AB as he is their most complete player.

3 and 31 for Parker.

[wiley]

Given the situation for both teams I don't think AB for 10 needs to be in there just add the 31st pick. Bucks want to draft another big man. Lab, Sabonis, Poeltl, or Davis. C's need AB as he is their most complete player.

3 and 31 for Parker.

Would prefer that to the original.  Pick 10 this year is a cricket-scape void.  Unless Danny's in love with Skal or Baldwin....

[crimson_stallion]

Good lord no!

Jabari Parker looks like the second coming of Jared Dudley right now - at best. He's not a bad player, but he doesn't look like he's worth anything close to a #3 pick right now.

In fact I wouldn't do Bradley for Parker straight up, so sure as hell not throwing #3 in there too.

I would say that you are largely in the minority here lol Parker is worth twice as much as Bradley.

Why?  Because he's young?  Because he was taken #2?

I don't care about any of that.  I care about what I see from him on the stat sheet an don't the court.

So far Jabari Parker has put up an underwhelming rookie year that was cut short by injury, and a second season that wasn't a whole lot better.

* 14 points and 5 rebounds a game from a guy who spent half his time at the PF spot? 

* 25% from three two seasons in a row, from a guy who was (at draft time) hailed as a sure-fire shooter?

* Attrocious defence that is every bit as bad as was advertised from day one?

I know that it's not popular to criticise under-performing top-3 picks on this board, but Jabari Parker has done absolutely nothing to show that he's worthy of a top 3 pick.  He hasn't even done anything to prove he's worthy of being an NBA starter. 

The guy was overrated offensively from day one (something I predicted from day one) and couldn't defend a stool if it was bolted to the ground.

He's the 2014/15 Jahlil Okafor - slow, unathletic, horrible defensively, can't rebound, cxan't pass, can't shoot threes, can't get to to the line, can't defend threes (too slow) or fours (too small).  There's just nothing to like there...and the scariest part is that his numbers last year did not show any substantial improvement from his pre-injury rookie year stats which means he isn't even showing signs of turning things around.

Parker was supposed to be THE most NBA ready player in that 14/15 draft - he's been thoroughly outperformed by Julius Randle and Aaron Gordon, and I'm not even sure he's been signfiicantly better then Marcus Smart, Elfrid Payton or Zach Lavine.

[jpotter33]

Parker played well in the second half of last season.  After the all star game, he averaged 18.9 points on .498 shooting, shot 32% on 1 3 per game, averaged 6.1 rebounds and 2.2 assists. 

I would definately do this trade and love the idea of landing Poetl too.

TP. I don't know where or how to find these kinds of stats for parts of the season.

ESPN and BBall ref give you the splits.
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/splits/_/id/3056600/jabari-parker

TP! Thanks!

[dreamgreen]

I said yes but it's interesting seeing the people on Celticsblog that are fixated on defense and refuse to acknowledge the fact we have a scoring problem. I personally like 2 way players but how many teams are giving those up?

[jpotter33]

Good lord no!

Jabari Parker looks like the second coming of Jared Dudley right now - at best. He's not a bad player, but he doesn't look like he's worth anything close to a #3 pick right now.

In fact I wouldn't do Bradley for Parker straight up, so sure as hell not throwing #3 in there too.

I would say that you are largely in the minority here lol Parker is worth twice as much as Bradley.

Why?  Because he's young?  Because he was taken #2?

I don't care about any of that.  I care about what I see from him on the stat sheet an don't the court.

So far Jabari Parker has put up an underwhelming rookie year that was cut short by injury, and a second season that wasn't a whole lot better.

* 14 points and 5 rebounds a game from a guy who spent half his time at the PF spot? 

* 25% from three two seasons in a row, from a guy who was (at draft time) hailed as a sure-fire shooter?

* Attrocious defence that is every bit as bad as was advertised from day one?

I know that it's not popular to criticise under-performing top-3 picks on this board, but Jabari Parker has done absolutely nothing to show that he's worthy of a top 3 pick.  He hasn't even done anything to prove he's worthy of being an NBA starter. 

The guy was overrated offensively from day one (something I predicted from day one) and couldn't defend a stool if it was bolted to the ground.

He's the 2014/15 Jahlil Okafor - slow, unathletic, horrible defensively, can't rebound, cxan't pass, can't shoot threes, can't get to to the line, can't defend threes (too slow) or fours (too small).  There's just nothing to like there...and the scariest part is that his numbers last year did not show any substantial improvement from his pre-injury rookie year stats which means he isn't even showing signs of turning things around.

Parker was supposed to be THE most NBA ready player in that 14/15 draft - he's been thoroughly outperformed by Julius Randle and Aaron Gordon, and I'm not even sure he's been signfiicantly better then Marcus Smart, Elfrid Payton or Zach Lavine.

He tore his freaking ACL! What else do you expect from him?! lol Post All-Star break once he got his wind back and was started to fully recover, he played much, much better. As Knuckleballer wrote - "After the all star game, he averaged 18.9 points on .498 shooting, shot 32% on 1 3 per game, averaged 6.1 rebounds and 2.2 assists." Those are pretty solid numbers and much more in line with what everyone thought he would be like. He's worth much more than Bradley.

[jpotter33]

I said yes but it's interesting seeing the people on Celticsblog that are fixated on defense and refuse to acknowledge the fact we have a scoring problem. I personally like 2 way players but how many teams are giving those up?

For real. I don't know how you could watch all of last year and the playoffs and not see how badly we need another scorer, which is exactly what Parker is. He can also improve on his three point shot, and as a full-time PF, which he is, it's not exactly needed as much as it is at the 3.

[knuckleballer]

Parker played well in the second half of last season.  After the all star game, he averaged 18.9 points on .498 shooting, shot 32% on 1 3 per game, averaged 6.1 rebounds and 2.2 assists. 

I would definately do this trade and love the idea of landing Poetl too.

TP. I don't know where or how to find these kinds of stats for parts of the season.

Parker is a natural scorer which we need.  He was struggling in Milwaukee becuase he was dealing with his knee injury and was an awkward fit next to Giannis.  They figured things out in the second half though.  I suspect they would like to keep him, but if they fall in love with Dunn, which a lot of teams supposedly are, maybe they would move him.  He's weak defensively, but playing with guys like Smart and Crowder would help him.

IT Rozier
Smart Rozier
Crowder Turner
Parker Olynyk
AJ Poetl

I could live with that if we can't land a top free agent.

[Ilikesports17]

Good lord no!

Jabari Parker looks like the second coming of Jared Dudley right now - at best. He's not a bad player, but he doesn't look like he's worth anything close to a #3 pick right now.

In fact I wouldn't do Bradley for Parker straight up, so sure as hell not throwing #3 in there too.

I would say that you are largely in the minority here lol Parker is worth twice as much as Bradley.

Why?  Because he's young?  Because he was taken #2?

I don't care about any of that.  I care about what I see from him on the stat sheet an don't the court.

So far Jabari Parker has put up an underwhelming rookie year that was cut short by injury, and a second season that wasn't a whole lot better.

* 14 points and 5 rebounds a game from a guy who spent half his time at the PF spot? 

* 25% from three two seasons in a row, from a guy who was (at draft time) hailed as a sure-fire shooter?

* Attrocious defence that is every bit as bad as was advertised from day one?

I know that it's not popular to criticise under-performing top-3 picks on this board, but Jabari Parker has done absolutely nothing to show that he's worthy of a top 3 pick.  He hasn't even done anything to prove he's worthy of being an NBA starter. 

The guy was overrated offensively from day one (something I predicted from day one) and couldn't defend a stool if it was bolted to the ground.

He's the 2014/15 Jahlil Okafor - slow, unathletic, horrible defensively, can't rebound, cxan't pass, can't shoot threes, can't get to to the line, can't defend threes (too slow) or fours (too small).  There's just nothing to like there...and the scariest part is that his numbers last year did not show any substantial improvement from his pre-injury rookie year stats which means he isn't even showing signs of turning things around.

Parker was supposed to be THE most NBA ready player in that 14/15 draft - he's been thoroughly outperformed by Julius Randle and Aaron Gordon, and I'm not even sure he's been signfiicantly better then Marcus Smart, Elfrid Payton or Zach Lavine.

His pre-all star break stats were bad this year but I think its fair to attribute that to the injury. post all star break he was great offensively.

Post-asb stats for bad teams are always suspect, but he still has potential to be an elite scorer, but for context, Wiggins, on a worse team and without the ACL injury to slow development averaged 21-4-2 on 47% from the field and 33% from 3 with a 115 Drtg and a 108 Ortg in 35 mpg. Parker averaged 19-6-2 on 50% from the field 32% from deep with a 106 Ortg and a 11 Drtg in 36 minutes. Wiggins also had more turnovers.

Is Wiggins trash too?

[CoachBo]

I said yes but it's interesting seeing the people on Celticsblog that are fixated on defense and refuse to acknowledge the fact we have a scoring problem. I personally like 2 way players but how many teams are giving those up?

For real. I don't know how you could watch all of last year and the playoffs and not see how badly we need another scorer, which is exactly what Parker is. He can also improve on his three point shot, and as a full-time PF, which he is, it's not exactly needed as much as it is at the 3.

The idea that (fill in the name of the young player I don't like here) can never improve is such a common and lazy one here.

Indeed, Parker's going to get better, too. And he's not going to get traded for Avery Bradley and a draft choice. The Bucks aren't that dumb.

[jpotter33]

I said yes but it's interesting seeing the people on Celticsblog that are fixated on defense and refuse to acknowledge the fact we have a scoring problem. I personally like 2 way players but how many teams are giving those up?

For real. I don't know how you could watch all of last year and the playoffs and not see how badly we need another scorer, which is exactly what Parker is. He can also improve on his three point shot, and as a full-time PF, which he is, it's not exactly needed as much as it is at the 3.

The idea that (fill in the name of the young player I don't like here) can never improve is such a common and lazy one here.

Indeed, Parker's going to get better, too. And he's not going to get traded for Avery Bradley and a draft choice. The Bucks aren't that dumb.

Yeah, that's the thing. If anyone is going to say "no" it's more than likely Milwaukee, not Boston.

[greenrunsdeep41]

Parker played well in the second half of last season.  After the all star game, he averaged 18.9 points on .498 shooting, shot 32% on 1 3 per game, averaged 6.1 rebounds and 2.2 assists. 

I would definately do this trade and love the idea of landing Poetl too.

TP. I don't know where or how to find these kinds of stats for parts of the season.

Parker is a natural scorer which we need.  He was struggling in Milwaukee becuase he was dealing with his knee injury and was an awkward fit next to Giannis.  They figured things out in the second half though.  I suspect they would like to keep him, but if they fall in love with Dunn, which a lot of teams supposedly are, maybe they would move him.  He's weak defensively, but playing with guys like Smart and Crowder would help him.

IT Rozier
Smart Rozier
Crowder Turner
Parker Olynyk
AJ Poetl

I could live with that if we can't land a top free agent.

Please, explain to me how Jabari Parker is a natural scorer and Avery Bradley is not ? In which ways is he a better scorer?

[jpotter33]

Parker played well in the second half of last season.  After the all star game, he averaged 18.9 points on .498 shooting, shot 32% on 1 3 per game, averaged 6.1 rebounds and 2.2 assists. 

I would definately do this trade and love the idea of landing Poetl too.

TP. I don't know where or how to find these kinds of stats for parts of the season.

Parker is a natural scorer which we need.  He was struggling in Milwaukee becuase he was dealing with his knee injury and was an awkward fit next to Giannis.  They figured things out in the second half though.  I suspect they would like to keep him, but if they fall in love with Dunn, which a lot of teams supposedly are, maybe they would move him.  He's weak defensively, but playing with guys like Smart and Crowder would help him.

IT Rozier
Smart Rozier
Crowder Turner
Parker Olynyk
AJ Poetl

I could live with that if we can't land a top free agent.

Please, explain to me how Jabari Parker is a natural scorer and Avery Bradley is not ? In which ways is he a better scorer?

He can dribble the ball on penetration drives and iso's more than three times without hitting it off his leg and turning it over.  That's one way that he's a more competent scorer than Bradley. I honestly don't see how this is even an argument...

[BitterJim]

I said yes but it's interesting seeing the people on Celticsblog that are fixated on defense and refuse to acknowledge the fact we have a scoring problem. I personally like 2 way players but how many teams are giving those up?

For real. I don't know how you could watch all of last year and the playoffs and not see how badly we need another scorer, which is exactly what Parker is. He can also improve on his three point shot, and as a full-time PF, which he is, it's not exactly needed as much as it is at the 3.

The idea that (fill in the name of the young player I don't like here) can never improve is such a common and lazy one here.

Indeed, Parker's going to get better, too. And he's not going to get traded for Avery Bradley and a draft choice. The Bucks aren't that dumb.

Seriously.  People keep throwing it around for draft choices, too, like Brown, Chriss, and... Bender

[The Oracle]

Avery for #10 maybe with a little sweetener.
#3 for Parker no way.

What I want in a PF is size, length, can stretch the floor and most important play defense.  Parker at the moment fits none of this.  He needs to grow a couple inches, increase his standing reach, learn to shoot the 3 on volume and play defense.