Rumor: Celtics, among others, in contact with Sixers about Noel/Okafor

[Ilikesports17]

Now CSN is saying #3 pick for one of Noel/Okafor. Said Ford is reporting (guessing) AB for one of them.

im having trouble interpreting this post.

[jpotter33]

Now CSN is saying #3 pick for one of Noel/Okafor. Said Ford is reporting (guessing) AB for one of them.

Wait, are you saying CSN is saying something different than Ford?

I think I'd do AB for Noel without blinking. I love AB, but Noel's defense and athleticism would be HUGE for us, especially with Smart ready to step in at the two spot.

And after a quick look, the only places seemingly still suggesting Okafor for #3 is "SixersSense," who also said Okafor for Wiggins should happen. 

[LarBrd33]

Celts and Sixers trade talk heats up. Philly really really wants Dunn per Tim Welsch. @CSNNE

Great, then we should expect more than just Okafor in return.

Okafor was a #3 in what may have been a stronger draft for bigs.

The Celtics reportedly already stated a few weeks ago that they want more than Okafor for #3.

Posturing.  Believe it when I see it.

#3 for Okafor makes too much sense for both teams.

Apparently, there's no players at #3 with all-star potential. Philly might be getting 75 cents on the dollar, but they have a position log jam.   Boston gets a better prospect.  Philly alleviates their position jam.  Boston alleviates the position log jam they'd have if they draft another guard.   We need a big.  They need a guard.   Danny likes Okafor.  Philly likes Dunn.  Makes a lot of sense for both teams.

Where are you getting this from?? There's a projected top-8 that have All-Star level potential ceilings, and depending who you talk to, only Simmons and Ingram are considered to be locks for multiple-time All-Stars with Dunn thrown in there occasionally, too.

Like HP said... check out the draft tier article.   It's the closest we have to the consensus opinion of these draft prospects from actual scouts and front offices.  Simmons is seen as having superstar potential.  Ingram is seen as having all-star potential.  Everyone else projects as a starter at best.

And that's the reason people are "fascinated" with Okafor.  He's widely considered to be better than all the prospects available to us at #3.  If we can get a guy like that for a lesser asset, it's kind of a no brainer.

Yeah, Okafor has flaws. So does every player available at #3.  And if scouts/front offices are right, most of them aren't going to amount to much of anything on the NBA level.  Okafor will at the very least be a major impact offensively wherever he ends up.

[Beat LA]

I really don't understand the fascination with Okafor and Noel, as I wouldn't trade for them, but to each his own.  More to the point, though, drafting Simmons and trading for Dunn would never work on the court, imo - both guys need the ball in their hands, especially Simmons, and the guy not only can't shoot, but also just flat out won't, haha.  The only way that getting Dunn makes any sense for the Sixers, to me, would be if they took Ingram first overall.  He and Dunn could at least coexist on the floor at the same time because at least Ingram, unlike Simmons, can actually shoot, lol .

That said, I don't care about the 76ers, hehe .  If they want a guard, trade them Smart and Young for 24 and 26.  No way am I letting them get their hands on Dunn.

TP. That's a really good point. Brown has said that he would essentially use Simmons as a point guard, but you're right that both are ball-dominant and wouldn't necessarily be ideal fits together, especially both being non-shooters on a team FULL of non-shooters, though apparently fit isn't a major concern in Philly lol

Wow. That's a really good insight. That makes it seem even more likely that we could actually possibly nab Simmons. I can't wait for Thursday!

Granted, I still think Danny would INSIST that they work it out where we get Simmons rather than settling for just Okafor or Noel if he knows how envious they are of Dunn. Danny's a pretty shrewd dealer like that.

Thanks . That's just my opinion, though.  I'm not a Simmons guy, myself, and not just because of his diva attitude, lack of competitiveness, and how he defers in big games and moments, iirc, lol , but more so because I don't know which position he can guard, if any.  What's your take?  He's definitely not guarding any position in the backcourt, I'm not sure that he has the quickness to guard 3s, and he lacks the size/bulk to guard 4s (even perimeter based ones, so, all of them ).  Dude is starting to sound like 'Toine, lol .

[LarBrd33]

Celts and Sixers trade talk heats up. Philly really really wants Dunn per Tim Welsch. @CSNNE

Great, then we should expect more than just Okafor in return.

Okafor was a #3 in what may have been a stronger draft for bigs.

The Celtics reportedly already stated a few weeks ago that they want more than Okafor for #3.

Posturing.  Believe it when I see it.

#3 for Okafor makes too much sense for both teams.

Apparently, there's no players at #3 with all-star potential.  Philly might be getting 75 cents on the dollar, but they have a position log jam.   Boston gets a better prospect.  Philly alleviates their position jam.  Boston alleviates the position log jam they'd have if they draft another guard.   We need a big.  They need a guard.   Danny likes Okafor.  Philly likes Dunn.  Makes a lot of sense for both teams.

Except that everyone with inside knowledge says that Philly is not getting #3 for Okafor. NBA GMs seem much less infatuated with Okafor than you, Lar.

"Everyone" = one report.   Let's see what happens Thursday.   There's plenty of people still saying Okafor for #3 is a win for Boston. 

[Ilikesports17]

Celts and Sixers trade talk heats up. Philly really really wants Dunn per Tim Welsch. @CSNNE

Great, then we should expect more than just Okafor in return.

Okafor was a #3 in what may have been a stronger draft for bigs.

The Celtics reportedly already stated a few weeks ago that they want more than Okafor for #3.

Posturing.  Believe it when I see it.

#3 for Okafor makes too much sense for both teams.

Apparently, there's no players at #3 with all-star potential.  Philly might be getting 75 cents on the dollar, but they have a position log jam.   Boston gets a better prospect.  Philly alleviates their position jam.  Boston alleviates the position log jam they'd have if they draft another guard.   We need a big.  They need a guard.   Danny likes Okafor.  Philly likes Dunn.  Makes a lot of sense for both teams.

Except that everyone with inside knowledge says that Philly is not getting #3 for Okafor. NBA GMs seem much less infatuated with Okafor than you, Lar.

"Everyone" = one report.   Let's see what happens Thursday.   There's plenty of people still saying Okafor for #3 is a win for Boston.

LOL.

One dude reported it and no one refuted it and everyone ran with it. Sound familar LB?

I dont buy it fwiw. I think Okafor for 3 with maybe Covington(wishful thinking) thrown in is most likely draft night scenario. I also think we win that trade.

[dreamgreen]

Now CSN is saying #3 pick for one of Noel/Okafor. Said Ford is reporting (guessing) AB for one of them.

Wait, are you saying CSN is saying something different than Ford?

I think I'd do AB for Noel without blinking. I love AB, but Noel's defense and athleticism would be HUGE for us, especially with Smart ready to step in at the two spot.

And after a quick look, the only places seemingly still suggesting Okafor for #3 is "SixersSense," who also said Okafor for Wiggins should happen. 

Tim Welsh says he's hearing #3 for either Noel or Okafor

Felger said Ford said: AB for either Noel or Okafor.

[jpotter33]

Celts and Sixers trade talk heats up. Philly really really wants Dunn per Tim Welsch. @CSNNE

Great, then we should expect more than just Okafor in return.

Okafor was a #3 in what may have been a stronger draft for bigs.

The Celtics reportedly already stated a few weeks ago that they want more than Okafor for #3.

Posturing.  Believe it when I see it.

#3 for Okafor makes too much sense for both teams.

Apparently, there's no players at #3 with all-star potential. Philly might be getting 75 cents on the dollar, but they have a position log jam.   Boston gets a better prospect.  Philly alleviates their position jam.  Boston alleviates the position log jam they'd have if they draft another guard.   We need a big.  They need a guard.   Danny likes Okafor.  Philly likes Dunn.  Makes a lot of sense for both teams.

Where are you getting this from?? There's a projected top-8 that have All-Star level potential ceilings, and depending who you talk to, only Simmons and Ingram are considered to be locks for multiple-time All-Stars with Dunn thrown in there occasionally, too.

Like HP said... check out the draft tier article.   It's the closest we have to the consensus opinion of these draft prospects from actual scouts and front offices.  Simmons is seen as having superstar potential.  Ingram is seen as having all-star potential.  Everyone else projects as a starter at best.

And that's the reason people are "fascinated" with Okafor.  He's widely considered to be better than all the prospects available to us at #3.  If we can get a guy like that for a lesser asset, it's kind of a no brainer.

Yeah, Okafor has flaws. So does every player available at #3.  And if scouts/front offices are right, most of them aren't going to amount to much of anything on the NBA level.  Okafor will at the very least be a major impact offensively wherever he ends up.

Well, Ford also hasn't been the most reliable or consistent on this either. He has Chriss in the "projected starter" camp, yet he's several times said that outside of Simmons, he has the highest ceiling in the draft. If that's not "All-Star potential," then I don't know what is, especially since Ingram was in the All-Star tier. Also, projecting Hield as a Tier 4 guy is crazy, so I don't necessarily take Ford's word as religion.

[jpotter33]

Celts and Sixers trade talk heats up. Philly really really wants Dunn per Tim Welsch. @CSNNE

Great, then we should expect more than just Okafor in return.

Okafor was a #3 in what may have been a stronger draft for bigs.

The Celtics reportedly already stated a few weeks ago that they want more than Okafor for #3.

Posturing.  Believe it when I see it.

#3 for Okafor makes too much sense for both teams.

Apparently, there's no players at #3 with all-star potential.  Philly might be getting 75 cents on the dollar, but they have a position log jam.   Boston gets a better prospect.  Philly alleviates their position jam.  Boston alleviates the position log jam they'd have if they draft another guard.   We need a big.  They need a guard.   Danny likes Okafor.  Philly likes Dunn.  Makes a lot of sense for both teams.

Except that everyone with inside knowledge says that Philly is not getting #3 for Okafor. NBA GMs seem much less infatuated with Okafor than you, Lar.

"Everyone" = one report.   Let's see what happens Thursday.   There's plenty of people still saying Okafor for #3 is a win for Boston.

Kyler and several others have also reported the same thing as Ford with Okafor's value.

EDIT: "Jeff Teague or trade Okafor for the 3rd pick and draft Sunn? Dunn vs Teague? I like dunn

Kyler: You are assuming thats possible to do... Boston not moving the 3 just for Okafor, would take a lot more."

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=84922.0
 

[LarBrd33]

Celts and Sixers trade talk heats up. Philly really really wants Dunn per Tim Welsch. @CSNNE

Great, then we should expect more than just Okafor in return.

Okafor was a #3 in what may have been a stronger draft for bigs.

The Celtics reportedly already stated a few weeks ago that they want more than Okafor for #3.

Posturing.  Believe it when I see it.

#3 for Okafor makes too much sense for both teams.

Apparently, there's no players at #3 with all-star potential. Philly might be getting 75 cents on the dollar, but they have a position log jam.   Boston gets a better prospect.  Philly alleviates their position jam.  Boston alleviates the position log jam they'd have if they draft another guard.   We need a big.  They need a guard.   Danny likes Okafor.  Philly likes Dunn.  Makes a lot of sense for both teams.

Where are you getting this from?? There's a projected top-8 that have All-Star level potential ceilings, and depending who you talk to, only Simmons and Ingram are considered to be locks for multiple-time All-Stars with Dunn thrown in there occasionally, too.

Like HP said... check out the draft tier article.   It's the closest we have to the consensus opinion of these draft prospects from actual scouts and front offices.  Simmons is seen as having superstar potential.  Ingram is seen as having all-star potential.  Everyone else projects as a starter at best.

And that's the reason people are "fascinated" with Okafor.  He's widely considered to be better than all the prospects available to us at #3.  If we can get a guy like that for a lesser asset, it's kind of a no brainer.

Yeah, Okafor has flaws. So does every player available at #3.  And if scouts/front offices are right, most of them aren't going to amount to much of anything on the NBA level.  Okafor will at the very least be a major impact offensively wherever he ends up.

Well, Ford also hasn't been the most reliable or consistent on this either. He has Chriss in the "projected starter" camp, yet he's several times said that outside of Simmons, he has the highest ceiling in the draft. If that's not "All-Star potential," then I don't know what is, especially since Ingram was in the All-Star tier. Also, projecting Hield as a Tier 4 guy is crazy, so I don't necessarily take Ford's word as religion.

It's not Ford's word, though.  It's what he's being told be scouts and front offices.   I'm not surprised to see them put Hield in Tier 4.  You can't trust stats from Seniors. 

And he says in his draft tier article that Chriss is someone who despite being in Tier 3 might actually have star potential.  I think Chriss is seen as a wildcard.  High ceiling with high bust potential.

[Beat LA]

Celts and Sixers trade talk heats up. Philly really really wants Dunn per Tim Welsch. @CSNNE

Great, then we should expect more than just Okafor in return.

Okafor was a #3 in what may have been a stronger draft for bigs.

The Celtics reportedly already stated a few weeks ago that they want more than Okafor for #3.

Posturing.  Believe it when I see it.

#3 for Okafor makes too much sense for both teams.

Apparently, there's no players at #3 with all-star potential. Philly might be getting 75 cents on the dollar, but they have a position log jam.   Boston gets a better prospect.  Philly alleviates their position jam.  Boston alleviates the position log jam they'd have if they draft another guard.   We need a big.  They need a guard.   Danny likes Okafor.  Philly likes Dunn.  Makes a lot of sense for both teams.

Where are you getting this from?? There's a projected top-8 that have All-Star level potential ceilings, and depending who you talk to, only Simmons and Ingram are considered to be locks for multiple-time All-Stars with Dunn thrown in there occasionally, too.

Like HP said... check out the draft tier article.   It's the closest we have to the consensus opinion of these draft prospects from actual scouts and front offices.  Simmons is seen as having superstar potential.  Ingram is seen as having all-star potential.  Everyone else projects as a starter at best.

And that's the reason people are "fascinated" with Okafor.  He's widely considered to be better than all the prospects available to us at #3.  If we can get a guy like that for a lesser asset, it's kind of a no brainer.

Yeah, Okafor has flaws. So does every player available at #3.  And if scouts/front offices are right, most of them aren't going to amount to much of anything on the NBA level.  Okafor will at the very least be a major impact offensively wherever he ends up.

I'd like to know the collective reasoning behind these views on Simmons and Ingram.  Additionally, if you want a low post player, and I do , why not take the faster, more agile, and far superior passing guy in Poeltl as opposed to Okafor?  We'd have to trade IT, and hopefully KO, as well, lol , to the Pelicans to get it done, but I'm down.  What do you think? 

[byennie]

Noel makes a ton of sense for Celtics. Okafor makes sense if you can get him for smaller parts, but not for anything involving the #3.

#3 (Dunn), #16, Jerebko
<=>
Noel, SAC '19

or

#16, Rozier, Young
<=>
Okafor

[LarBrd33]

Celts and Sixers trade talk heats up. Philly really really wants Dunn per Tim Welsch. @CSNNE

Great, then we should expect more than just Okafor in return.

Okafor was a #3 in what may have been a stronger draft for bigs.

The Celtics reportedly already stated a few weeks ago that they want more than Okafor for #3.

Posturing.  Believe it when I see it.

#3 for Okafor makes too much sense for both teams.

Apparently, there's no players at #3 with all-star potential. Philly might be getting 75 cents on the dollar, but they have a position log jam.   Boston gets a better prospect.  Philly alleviates their position jam.  Boston alleviates the position log jam they'd have if they draft another guard.   We need a big.  They need a guard.   Danny likes Okafor.  Philly likes Dunn.  Makes a lot of sense for both teams.

Where are you getting this from?? There's a projected top-8 that have All-Star level potential ceilings, and depending who you talk to, only Simmons and Ingram are considered to be locks for multiple-time All-Stars with Dunn thrown in there occasionally, too.

Like HP said... check out the draft tier article.   It's the closest we have to the consensus opinion of these draft prospects from actual scouts and front offices.  Simmons is seen as having superstar potential.  Ingram is seen as having all-star potential.  Everyone else projects as a starter at best.

And that's the reason people are "fascinated" with Okafor.  He's widely considered to be better than all the prospects available to us at #3.  If we can get a guy like that for a lesser asset, it's kind of a no brainer.

Yeah, Okafor has flaws. So does every player available at #3.  And if scouts/front offices are right, most of them aren't going to amount to much of anything on the NBA level.  Okafor will at the very least be a major impact offensively wherever he ends up.

I'd like to know the collective reasoning behind these views on Simmons and Ingram. 

Tier 1
Ben Simmons, F, LSU

Last draft, we had just one player in this category: Karl-Anthony Towns. This tier is usually reserved for guys who are sure-fire All-Stars or franchise players. Only six other players have been ranked in this slot since we started doing this in 2009: Blake Griffin, John Wall, Anthony Davis, Andrew Wiggins, Joel Embiid and Jabari Parker.

You have to be more than good to get here. You have to be elite.

The only other player nominated for Tier 1 by various teams was Brandon Ingram. But while some teams see Ingram as a potential superstar, the majority had him in Tier 2.

Tier 2
Brandon Ingram, F, Duke

Tier 2 is reserved for players with All-Star potential. However, players in Tier 2 often have weaknesses that some teams feel will keep them from being superstars. In Ingram's case, his lack of strength is landing him here.

This is the smallest Tier 2 we've ever had. Marquese Chriss, Kris Dunn and Dragan Bender received votes for Tier 2, but not enough to make the cut.

Tier 3
Dragan Bender, PF, Croatia
Jaylen Brown, F, Cal
Marquese Chriss, PF, Washington
Kris Dunn, PG, Providence
Jamal Murray, G, Kentucky

This tier is typically reserved for players who are projected as NBA starters.

This year we have a strong Tier 3. Three of the players received Tier 2 votes.

All five of these players are locks to go in the top 10. Chriss, especially, has star potential as well.

Having just seven players in the first three tiers makes for a pretty average draft. In terms of the top three tiers, the 2016 draft is not quite as strong as 2014 (12) or 2015 {8), but it is not quite as weak as 2013, which had six players in the top three tiers but none in the top two.

Of this group, Bender and Brown were the only players to receive Tier 4 votes.

Okafor was Tier 2 last year.  Still widely seen as a better prospect than everyone available at #3.  Possibly better than Ingram.

[number_n9ne]

Noel, Saric, and LAL '17 for #3, Young and Hunter.

Get it done Danny!

[alldaboston]

Now CSN is saying #3 pick for one of Noel/Okafor. Said Ford is reporting (guessing) AB for one of them.

Wait, are you saying CSN is saying something different than Ford?

I think I'd do AB for Noel without blinking. I love AB, but Noel's defense and athleticism would be HUGE for us, especially with Smart ready to step in at the two spot.

And after a quick look, the only places seemingly still suggesting Okafor for #3 is "SixersSense," who also said Okafor for Wiggins should happen. 

Ugh. No way.

Subtracting an all NBA defender and a 15ppg guy for a guy who's already torn an ACL and can't score but plays defense. No thank you.