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That's the right pick to me.

Buddy Hields ceiling to me is a James Harden type who can defend better with worse ball handling abilities than Harden. Which would make me ecstatic.

Murray, i think would be a wise choice, although i worry about his speed and if he will be able to get his shots off and falling at the next level.

Bender has far too much bust potential, and probably doesnt possess the ability to help the team right away like Murray and Hield, which i honestly think is a factor.

Jaylen Brown wouldn't be bad. He's another guy like Stanley Johnson who can come in right away and guard the lebrons and durants of the NBA right away. Those guys are a highly valuable commodity in todays game.

If it's Marquese Chriss i'm going to need a new flat screen.

If it's Dunn then that probably means the pick is being traded.

Come on now.  Buddy's ceiling is nowhere near that.  Let's be realistic.... When have you ever seen Buddy drive like Harden?

I admittedly love Hield, but I don't think there's anything wrong with that statement. Hield has shown plenty of ability to get to the rim and finish with athleticism. His jumpshot danger helps him get his first step off and create separation. Excellent footwork too. Not as shifty as Harden but certainly potential to be great driving scorer.

Harden FTr as a freshman and sophomore: .600
Hield FTr as a senior: .333

TP for summarizing why Harden and Hield are drastically different players.

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Nobody has ever compared Hield to Harden, nobody.  He is thought of as a very good shooter but  not one who can drive and finish. 

Here's what Draft express says about him and his weaknesses.

"He can be a little bit predictable when putting the ball on the floor, as he almost always pulls up off the dribble or tries to execute a step back when driving left, and will try to get all the way to the rim when going right (which is rare). Not blessed with an elite first step, he can still stand to continue to improve his advanced ball-handling skills to create space in the half-court. In traffic, as he doesn't always have the size or explosiveness to finish effectively against rim-protectors, and thus relies very heavily on his shot-making prowess from the perimeter."

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Buddy-Hield-58749/

How is that anywhere near Harden?

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Nobody has ever compared Hield to Harden, nobody.  He is thought of as a very good shooter but  not one who can drive and finish. 

Here's what Draft express says about him and his weaknesses.

"He can be a little bit predictable when putting the ball on the floor, as he almost always pulls up off the dribble or tries to execute a step back when driving left, and will try to get all the way to the rim when going right (which is rare). Not blessed with an elite first step, he can still stand to continue to improve his advanced ball-handling skills to create space in the half-court. In traffic, as he doesn't always have the size or explosiveness to finish effectively against rim-protectors, and thus relies very heavily on his shot-making prowess from the perimeter."

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Buddy-Hield-58749/

How is that anywhere near Harden?

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/buddy-hield

They've changed it. It used to be just Harden. Even CJ McCollum is much more natural at getting to the rim than Hield is.

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Nobody has ever compared Hield to Harden, nobody.  He is thought of as a very good shooter but  not one who can drive and finish. 

Here's what Draft express says about him and his weaknesses.

"He can be a little bit predictable when putting the ball on the floor, as he almost always pulls up off the dribble or tries to execute a step back when driving left, and will try to get all the way to the rim when going right (which is rare). Not blessed with an elite first step, he can still stand to continue to improve his advanced ball-handling skills to create space in the half-court. In traffic, as he doesn't always have the size or explosiveness to finish effectively against rim-protectors, and thus relies very heavily on his shot-making prowess from the perimeter."

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Buddy-Hield-58749/

How is that anywhere near Harden?

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/buddy-hield

They've changed it. It used to be just Harden. Even CJ McCollum is much more natural at getting to the rim than Hield is.

That says more about NBAdraft.net than it says about Hield!

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Nobody has ever compared Hield to Harden, nobody.  He is thought of as a very good shooter but  not one who can drive and finish. 

Here's what Draft express says about him and his weaknesses.

"He can be a little bit predictable when putting the ball on the floor, as he almost always pulls up off the dribble or tries to execute a step back when driving left, and will try to get all the way to the rim when going right (which is rare). Not blessed with an elite first step, he can still stand to continue to improve his advanced ball-handling skills to create space in the half-court. In traffic, as he doesn't always have the size or explosiveness to finish effectively against rim-protectors, and thus relies very heavily on his shot-making prowess from the perimeter."

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Buddy-Hield-58749/

How is that anywhere near Harden?

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/buddy-hield

They've changed it. It used to be just Harden. Even CJ McCollum is much more natural at getting to the rim than Hield is.

That says more about NBAdraft.net than it says about Hield!

Agreed. They exaggerate something a lot of people have done with Hield: assume that he can be a driver in the NBA.

I think he will be able to attack some closeouts, but he is basically a spot up shooter in the NBA. Think George Hill with less point guard skills (40% three point shooter), or Courtney Lee, or even Jodie Meeks.

I think he has intangibles that make him more valuable than Lee or Meeks.

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I have a hard time seeing us pick Hield. His ceiling just seems too limited to me for Danny to take him third.

I have had a feeling though that Ingram drops due to Dunn going to LA. Them trading Russell to Philly for one of their bigs then makes so much sense.

Yup ......something is goi g to give between LA , Philly and Boston.    Philly is in the driver seat deciding between Dunn , Russell .   

I believe Danny will sweeten the deal for Oakfor on draft night .   Philly needs to play ball next season......no more tanking .....they need a guard ......Danny can help fix them up.

So trade Smart and Young for 24 and 26.

Wow.  Just wow.  That is a horrible trade for Boston.  I know the Smart hate runs deep but that is a garbage trade.  The #6 overall pick from 2014 and imminent future NBA all-defense guard for two garbage late 1sts?  Please put down the crack pipe!

Hield at #3 is a reach.  Hield between 6-10 is a good pick.  Question, is what can a team give us for DA to be willing to move down that far?

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I have a hard time seeing us pick Hield. His ceiling just seems too limited to me for Danny to take him third.

I have had a feeling though that Ingram drops due to Dunn going to LA. Them trading Russell to Philly for one of their bigs then makes so much sense.

Yup ......something is goi g to give between LA , Philly and Boston.    Philly is in the driver seat deciding between Dunn , Russell .   

I believe Danny will sweeten the deal for Oakfor on draft night .   Philly needs to play ball next season......no more tanking .....they need a guard ......Danny can help fix them up.

So trade Smart and Young for 24 and 26.

Wow.  Just wow.  That is a horrible trade for Boston.  I know the Smart hate runs deep but that is a garbage trade.  The #6 overall pick from 2014 and imminent future NBA all-defense guard for two garbage late 1sts?  Please put down the crack pipe!

Hield at #3 is a reach.  Hield between 6-10 is a good pick.  Question, is what can a team give us for DA to be willing to move down that far?

Gordon Hayward

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I think we should keep the #3 and make a trade for all/part of what the T-Wolves proposed for Butler. Also, if we can use Smart to get Okafor we should do it. But with Hield the LAL will probably want to make a trade if they do not choose him over Ingram. If that is the case we may/should look into what it would take to get D. Russell as well(especially bc LAL have been linked to many FA'sin the next 2 off-seasons, including Westbrook)

But if Ingram drops to number 3 then that is a completely dif story.


MIN
- Lavine(can play point and shoots almost 40% from 3)
-#5= can turn that into Hield(if Ingram drops and they do not select Hield)

I think we should look into absorbing a contract on MIN, Nikola Pekovic 2 years 13mil per, in order to keep the ask down.

With
Lavine
Hield
Ingram
-
Okafor
I would look to trade guys like IT/Crowder/AB so we can get this team all worked out. Maybe we could go all in and do the Greek Freek at #4 for this team.
Lavine
Hield
Ingram
Giannis A
Okafor


LaVine shot 34% from 3 last year, and almost 39% this year. I like how his shooting has developed so far, but it's a stretch to call him a "almost 40% shooter". Avery Bradley shot closer to 40% on year. People don't say he's a 40% shooter.

Marcus shot 33.5% from 3 last year, and everyone thinks he's the worst shooter ever

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I have a hard time seeing us pick Hield. His ceiling just seems too limited to me for Danny to take him third.

I have had a feeling though that Ingram drops due to Dunn going to LA. Them trading Russell to Philly for one of their bigs then makes so much sense.

Yup ......something is goi g to give between LA , Philly and Boston.    Philly is in the driver seat deciding between Dunn , Russell .   

I believe Danny will sweeten the deal for Oakfor on draft night .   Philly needs to play ball next season......no more tanking .....they need a guard ......Danny can help fix them up.

So trade Smart and Young for 24 and 26.

Wow.  Just wow.  That is a horrible trade for Boston.  I know the Smart hate runs deep but that is a garbage trade.  The #6 overall pick from 2014 and imminent future NBA all-defense guard for two garbage late 1sts?  Please put down the crack pipe!

Hield at #3 is a reach.  Hield between 6-10 is a good pick.  Question, is what can a team give us for DA to be willing to move down that far?

Gordon Hayward

Hmm... #3 for Gordon Hayward & #12?

I think I'd want at least a future first thrown in on top of that.   

NBA Officiating - Corrupt?  Incompetent?  Which is worse?  Does it matter?  It sucks.

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Nobody has ever compared Hield to Harden, nobody.  He is thought of as a very good shooter but  not one who can drive and finish. 

Here's what Draft express says about him and his weaknesses.

"He can be a little bit predictable when putting the ball on the floor, as he almost always pulls up off the dribble or tries to execute a step back when driving left, and will try to get all the way to the rim when going right (which is rare). Not blessed with an elite first step, he can still stand to continue to improve his advanced ball-handling skills to create space in the half-court. In traffic, as he doesn't always have the size or explosiveness to finish effectively against rim-protectors, and thus relies very heavily on his shot-making prowess from the perimeter."

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Buddy-Hield-58749/

How is that anywhere near Harden?

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/buddy-hield

They've changed it. It used to be just Harden. Even CJ McCollum is much more natural at getting to the rim than Hield is.

That says more about NBAdraft.net than it says about Hield!
Thats funny.  'Nobody. Nobody I say. Blah blah'. Lol.

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I have a hard time seeing us pick Hield. His ceiling just seems too limited to me for Danny to take him third.

I have had a feeling though that Ingram drops due to Dunn going to LA. Them trading Russell to Philly for one of their bigs then makes so much sense.

Yup ......something is goi g to give between LA , Philly and Boston.    Philly is in the driver seat deciding between Dunn , Russell .   

I believe Danny will sweeten the deal for Oakfor on draft night .   Philly needs to play ball next season......no more tanking .....they need a guard ......Danny can help fix them up.

So trade Smart and Young for 24 and 26.

Wow.  Just wow.  That is a horrible trade for Boston.  I know the Smart hate runs deep but that is a garbage trade.  The #6 overall pick from 2014 and imminent future NBA all-defense guard for two garbage late 1sts?  Please put down the crack pipe!

Hield at #3 is a reach.  Hield between 6-10 is a good pick.  Question, is what can a team give us for DA to be willing to move down that far?

Lol, that's uncalled for, but it still made me laugh for some reason, and those two Philly firsts are hardly garbage in a draft this deep, imo.  We can get a much better player than Smart at 23 alone, in addition to the guys at 24 and 26, but again, I recognize that I'm probably alone in such thinking :-\.  Whatever.  Besides, who cares where the guy was drafted if he isn't any good?  I just don't think that it would be that hard to replace the defense of Smart and Bradley, who should both be traded for picks, imo.  Avery, in particular, belongs on a contender - he's more than earned it.

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Nobody has ever compared Hield to Harden, nobody.  He is thought of as a very good shooter but  not one who can drive and finish. 

Here's what Draft express says about him and his weaknesses.

"He can be a little bit predictable when putting the ball on the floor, as he almost always pulls up off the dribble or tries to execute a step back when driving left, and will try to get all the way to the rim when going right (which is rare). Not blessed with an elite first step, he can still stand to continue to improve his advanced ball-handling skills to create space in the half-court. In traffic, as he doesn't always have the size or explosiveness to finish effectively against rim-protectors, and thus relies very heavily on his shot-making prowess from the perimeter."

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Buddy-Hield-58749/

How is that anywhere near Harden?

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/buddy-hield

They've changed it. It used to be just Harden. Even CJ McCollum is much more natural at getting to the rim than Hield is.

That says more about NBAdraft.net than it says about Hield!

Agreed. They exaggerate something a lot of people have done with Hield: assume that he can be a driver in the NBA.

I think he will be able to attack some closeouts, but he is basically a spot up shooter in the NBA. Think George Hill with less point guard skills (40% three point shooter), or Courtney Lee, or even Jodie Meeks.

I think he has intangibles that make him more valuable than Lee or Meeks.

Lol, George Hill has point guard skills?

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Congrats Danny, you managed to tell the other GMs that you can take anybody at #3.
This went from Bender, Muray, Brown, Chriss, Dunn to Hield.

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Is Ingram really that good?  I've heard conflicting things.  Maybe he'll slip.

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Is Ingram really that good?  I've heard conflicting things.  Maybe he'll slip.

Do tell ;D.