Trade Idea: #3, #23, and 2017 BKN pick to Philly for #1

[action781]

I think Simmons will be the best player in the draft and he happens to fits into our team at PF perfectly as the kind of two-way player with great passing that would thrive in Stevens' system.

If we got him, this offseason I would be happy with exercising our options on Jerebko and Amir, letting Turner, Sullinger and Zeller walk (they'll all command overpays somewhere), and signing Dwight Howard to a 2 year max deal with a team option on year 3.  (If you don't like Dwight, insert Horford or Whiteside or whatever center you like.  We have the money to spend here, but I'd want to keep it short term to maintain flexibility.)

I would be very happy this season with:
PG/SG of IT4, Bradley and Marcus with Rozier and Hunter getting some minutes
SF/PF of Crowder, Simmons, Jerebko and some Olynyk (and I'd love Valentine at 16 here too to replace Turner)
C of Dwight, Amir, Olynyk, Mickey

Overall we'd have IT4, Smart, Bradley, Hunter, Rozier, Crowder, Simmons, Jerebko, Olynyk, Dwight, Amir, Mickey on our active roster and any of Young, #16, #31, #35, $45, #51, #58 either playing overseas or in the D League.  Maybe swapping Mickey and #16 on active roster at times throughout season.

We've got two all-star caliber players in IT4 and Dwight and an overall roster that can compete now, we haven't really sold off too many future assets, and we have our building block superstar going forward in Simmons.

Would Philly do this?  Here's my rationale for them. 
1. They probably really like Dunn as a player.  He looks like a future all-star, he just needs to be drafted into the right situation (playing time available at the PG position) and Philly has that. 
2. They don't have to deal with the logjam of a frontcourt in a hurry.  Not drafting Simmons means they can let Okafor and Noel hang around until the right deal comes up also giving Philly time to further evaluate them to see who they like more and give both players time to improve and up their trade value.
3. They get the 2017 Brooklyn pick.  That's two (their own and Brooklyn) really good draft picks in what many believe to be a strong 2017 draft to continue building on to this pretty decent core.

[mef730]

Too much. With the understanding that we have no idea what BKN's pick for next year is going to be, next year is simply too loaded to take the chance.

Mike

[jbpats]

Agreed too much.
I strongly feel that the 2017 Brooklyn pick can land #1.. I am having a hard time thinking of any team that might be worse then them next season. Also, I feel that next years draft will be significantly stronger.
That being said I don't think we move that pick for anyone.

[slamtheking]

agreed, too much.  Nets won't be significantly better next year and quite possibly, worse.  remember, they didn't lose Brook to injury this past season -- wouldn't bank on that happening 2 years in a row.

Simmons is well-hyped but he's not a sure thing on the level of a Lebron or Anthony Davis.  Those are the types of prospects that would be worth that kind of trade.

[action781]

Even if Brooklyn is the worst team in the league, that still only gets us a 25% chance at the #1 pick.  Consider that for the last 12 months celtics fans have been saying "I don't think we move that 2016 brooklyn pick for anyone" and where we are at right now.

At some point we HAVE to start consolidating these assets and Ben Simmons as a PF in Brad Stevens' system is absolutely a consolidation move I want to happen.  In my mind, we can very happily start moving forward in the right direction for the next 12 years if we make this move now.

[action781]

Also, I'm ok with overpaying because it seems that the word is these days that you HAVE to overpay to get these kinds of players.  Especially in the draft think about how all of our "grandfather offers" to move up in last year's draft all got rejected.

[slamtheking]

Even if Brooklyn is the worst team in the league, that still only gets us a 25% chance at the #1 pick.  Consider that for the last 12 months celtics fans have been saying "I don't think we move that 2016 brooklyn pick for anyone" and where we are at right now.

At some point we HAVE to start consolidating these assets and Ben Simmons as a PF in Brad Stevens' system is absolutely a consolidation move I want to happen.  In my mind, we can very happily start moving forward in the right direction for the next 12 years if we make this move now.

you don't consolidate your top assets without getting a sure thing back.  you consolidate your lesser assets into better assets.
Simmons is no sure thing.  that 2017 Nets pick is looking pretty good right now.  no way I condense 3 #1 picks -- 1 sure high lottery, 1 likely high lottery and another first -- for Simmons

[footey]

It depends how each of Colangelo and Ainge rate Simmons, and the 3rd pick.  You can't blanket trade 2017 without at least top 3 protection, I would argue top 5 protection.  But if Ainge is that in love with Simmons, and Philly loves Dunn and less in love with Simmons than Ainge, it is a good idea, which is why I am TP'ing you for it!!

[Granath]

Even if Brooklyn is the worst team in the league, that still only gets us a 25% chance at the #1 pick. 

Yet the top 3 picks in that draft may be better players than Simmons. It's seriously expected to be that loaded. It's not that 2016 is that weak. It's that 2017 looks to be that strong.

Consider that for the last 12 months celtics fans have been saying "I don't think we move that 2016 brooklyn pick for anyone" and where we are at right now.

Do you mean getting the #3 selection rather than acquiring some mid-tier veteran? Gee, that sounds good to me! I was scoffed at for suggesting the Brooklyn pick would be 5 or 6 at the beginning of last season. Seems that by holding our cards we're in a much better place.

At some point we HAVE to start consolidating these assets and Ben Simmons as a PF in Brad Stevens' system is absolutely a consolidation move I want to happen.  In my mind, we can very happily start moving forward in the right direction for the next 12 years if we make this move now.

I'd love to see Ben Simmons in green. I think he'd be a great fit. But I'm also not willing to create a championship team in Philly to do so. If that pick ends up being what most everyone expects (including Vegas) it to be and the 2017 draft ends up as strong as it's projected to be, giving Philly two of the top 3 next year could be very, very bad for the Cs in the long run.

[BDeCosta26]

It's funny, but I wouldn't do that if I was Danny. I'd almost surely do it if I was Philly, though I'd be looking for 16 instead of 23 and a young guy like Rozier.

 Chances are really high that the 2017 Brooklyn pick is goin to be top-5 in a very good class. If your Philly, and you don't see yourself out of the top-10 anyway, why not score two top picks in a better draft, just to move back two spots in this one.

If I'm Ainge though, I don't wanna move that pick for anyone short of Paul George or Cousins (maybe)

[action781]

I think you guys are overvaluing this Brooklyn pick.  Even IF they turn out to be the worst team in the league, there's a 40% chance it could be the #4 pick.  I think the allure of the unprotected pick is exactly what is needed to entice Philly to make the deal. 

Also remember that Brooklyn will be the only team in the league with zero motivation to fold em up at the end of the season, so I'm skeptical they will finish the season with the worst record.  They're going to throw money at every free agent this offseason which will result in a 30 win season at least I imagine. Why wouldn't they?

[Granath]

I think you guys are overvaluing this Brooklyn pick.  Even IF they turn out to be the worst team in the league, there's a 40% chance it could be the #4 pick.  I think the allure of the unprotected pick is exactly what is needed to entice Philly to make the deal. 

Yet the 4th or 5th pick may be better than the 2nd or 3rd in this draft. It's not that 2016 is that crappy, it's that 2017 is expected to be that loaded.

Also remember that Brooklyn will be the only team in the league with zero motivation to fold em up at the end of the season, so I'm skeptical they will finish the season with the worst record.

Hmmm....this sounds oddly familiar. Yet Brooklyn closed with 10 straight losses and finished with 21 wins. How did the "no incentive to tank" thing work this past year?

They're going to throw money at every free agent this offseason which will result in a 30 win season at least I imagine. Why wouldn't they?

Because it's not going to be that easy for them. That's why they finished with 21 wins this last season despite getting healthy seasons from their best players.

With 15-20 other teams having cap room, it's not like Brooklyn can or will overpay more than the other teams. This isn't 4 years ago where there is a limited pool of money. There's huge money out there and limited FAs. EVERYONE is getting overpaid this offseason. So while all this money is floating out there, Brooklyn also has the handicap of trying to convince FAs to come to Brooklyn in a no-hope-of-winning scenario for 2 or 3 years.

They might get to 30 wins. But that's probably their best case scenario. It's more likely that 2017 pick is back in the top 5. Another nice, juicy chance for the Cs to greatly improve their team.

[Moranis]

Before free agency you have to make that trade because you just don't know what Brooklyn will do.  I mean what if they sign Conley and DeRozan.  That would make them a playoff contender.  You just can't take the risk that Brooklyn improves significantly and the pick ends up being a mid 1st round pick.  3, 23, and 2017 mid 1st round pick looks pretty good for Simmons.  Of course that is why the Sixers would never make that trade. 

[Granath]

Before free agency you have to make that trade because you just don't know what Brooklyn will do.  I mean what if they sign Conley and DeRozan.  That would make them a playoff contender.  You just can't take the risk that Brooklyn improves significantly and the pick ends up being a mid 1st round pick.  3, 23, and 2017 mid 1st round pick looks pretty good for Simmons.  Of course that is why the Sixers would never make that trade.

Maybe KG and Lebron will sign for Brooklyn too!

 

Of course, maybe the Earth will be struck by a mile wide meteor tomorrow. But I'll play the odds and not start digging a shelter today.

[Ilikesports17]

Before free agency you have to make that trade because you just don't know what Brooklyn will do.  I mean what if they sign Conley and DeRozan.  That would make them a playoff contender.  You just can't take the risk that Brooklyn improves significantly and the pick ends up being a mid 1st round pick.  3, 23, and 2017 mid 1st round pick looks pretty good for Simmons.  Of course that is why the Sixers would never make that trade.

The Brooklyn pick right now is so volatile I dont see it being traded. It is so hard for a GM to gauge how valuable that pick will become. For that reason I do not expect it to be traded.

As a non-Celtics GM it is hard to accept it as the centerpiece for a big player because as you said, brooklyn could go out and overpay a player or two and then the pick drops to late lotto. Then he has to explain how he moved a big piece in a deal based around a late lotto pick.

As a Boston GM, the pick has a really high ceiling, it entirely plausible the pick ends up in the top 5 of a stronger draft, so theres no way Danny moves it unless its the centerpiece of a big deal.