Trading Bradley, Isaiah and #3 to Bulls for Butler ?

[Chief]

There is nothing in this article that suggests we're considering trading Bradley AND Thomas AND the #3 for Butler.

Another post of wasted time. This board has been getting to many stupid posts and redundant posts. Please Moderators step up.

We don't moderate based upon "stupid" posts.

 

[djbilly33]

I could see trading Bradley, JJ and the 16th for Butler, not the 3rd pick.

[Csfan1984]

I think Rozier, AB, JJ and 3 pick for Butler is the best deal Bulls can hope for from C's. No IT or Smart.

Then no Butler.

I would happily include Smart in a Butler deal, along with the 3. Major offensive upgrade.

Then no Butler. He isn't that much of an upgrade over AB to trade all that I mention and then also give them Smart. That is 100% a deal breaker. Smart has a big part to play in the rotation. His flexibility and contract help greatly for the bench. I would absolutely not add anything more than I said and would walk away if I were C's.

[jpotter33]

I think they'll end up breaking down and taking Crowder OR Bradley AND the #3 along with salary fuller for him on draft night, especially if Ingram would fall. That was supposedly the deal at the deadline, and I can't see it being much different with the guaranteed third pick.

Plus, I think we know Danny won't give too terribly much of an overpay for him. He's almost shrewd to a fault.

[#1P4P]

Unless Durant's acquisition hinges on Butler, Bradley and Isaiah are going nowhere.

Butler is a top 20 player in the NBA, but Bradley, Isaiah, and #3 is a gross overpay for him. As a standalone acquisition, it's a backward step; and, on the court, it's a lateral move. If it's going to take that type of offer for Butler, I would pass.

Bradley and #3 is a solid offer for Butler that few teams will want to match, throw in one of Rozier/Mickey/future BKN 1st and it should be a done deal (I would try to hold on to Rozier like the Clippers held on to Bledsoe in the Paul trade).

[BringToughnessBack]

It sounds like Bulls want something more like Wiggins and the 5 pick vs anything we would offer. We do not have a high profile prospect potential superstar cornerstone like Wiggins on our roster as well.

You can only imagine what they would require from us for Butler. My guess is AB, Isaiah, #3 and most likely another Brooklyn pick if not more. 2 top 5 picks from us might net them a superstar. That is just too rich for my taste. You have to remember who you are dealing in the Bulls organization as well. A reasonable, fair trade is never going to happen when dealing with you know who.

http://www.si.com/nba/2016/06/15/jimmy-butler-trade-bulls-timberwolves-andrew-wiggins

[kozlodoev]

I think they'll end up breaking down and taking Crowder OR Bradley AND the #3 along with salary fuller for him on draft night, especially if Ingram would fall. That was supposedly the deal at the deadline, and I can't see it being much different with the guaranteed third pick.

Plus, I think we know Danny won't give too terribly much of an overpay for him. He's almost shrewd to a fault.

Butler is a great player, but the marginal upgrade from Bradley to Butler seems to not be worth #3. And you almost have to trade Bradley because of the ensuing logjam.

[LarBrd33]

Butler is so overrated.  Way too much to pay for premium brand Ricky Davis.

[meangreenmachine]

Danny should make a final offer: Bradley and 3 for Butler. Throw in 16, 23, 31 and 35 if they're willing to add McBuckets. But that is it. Those should be the final offers, so we can finally move on.

Butler is not worth more than Bradley and 3. He might not even be worth that if I had more faith in our drafting abilities (totally convinced the NBA draft is a complete crapshoot).

[Bobshot]

That deal would probably make the Celtics worse.

Butler, by the way, has had a long standing shots conflict with Rose on the Bulls. They both like to hog shots. Fortunately for Butler, Rose is frequently hurt, and that's when Butler has built up his stats. Not that he isn't a great player, mind you, it's just that IT and the rest would have to move over on offense for him.

The Celtics young core is IT, Bradley, Smart and Crowder. It will be hard to improve if they have to give up more than one of them.

[Ilikesports17]

Butler is so overrated.  Way too much to pay for premium brand Ricky Davis.

I think Butler is better than you give him credit for.

He put up 20-6-3 for the 50 win Chicago Bulls, playing 39 mpg, finishing second on the team in minutes and first in ppg despite Derrick Rose and Pau Gasol taking more shots than him. That team pushed Cleveland and was a Lebron buzzer beater away from taking a 3-1 lead.

This year he put up 21-5-5 on a 42 win Bulls team. However in games butler missed (there were 15 of them) the Bulls played at a 27 win pace (5-10) when he played they played at a 47 win pace.

When Derrick Rose, whom he was rumored to have issues with and who took a team leading 16 fga per game, did not play the team was 10-6 and on a 53 with pace.

Id say the issue with Chicago this year was far more Derrick Rose than it was Jimmy Butler. However, this offer is still absurd. Butler is very good. I think hes a notch above IT, but this is a top 5-10 player type offer.

[LarBrd33]

Butler is so overrated.  Way too much to pay for premium brand Ricky Davis.

I think Butler is better than you give him credit for.

He put up 20-6-3 for the 50 win Chicago Bulls, playing 39 mpg, finishing second on the team in minutes and first in ppg despite Derrick Rose and Pau Gasol taking more shots than him. That team pushed Cleveland and was a Lebron buzzer beater away from taking a 3-1 lead.

This year he put up 21-5-5 on a 42 win Bulls team. However in games butler missed (there were 15 of them) the Bulls played at a 27 win pace (5-10) when he played they played at a 47 win pace.

When Derrick Rose, whom he was rumored to have issues with and who took a team leading 16 fga per game, did not play the team was 10-6 and on a 53 with pace.

Id say the issue with Chicago this year was far more Derrick Rose than it was Jimmy Butler. However, this offer is still absurd. Butler is very good. I think hes a notch above IT, but this is a top 5-10 player type offer.

Bulls had talent on that roster last year.  Jimmy butler lead them to the lotto and shot 31% from three while doing it.  He's super overrated.  If the wolves trade Wiggins and #5 for jimmy butler, their fans should sue the team.

[PaulP34]

What if this is a three team deal where Celtics get Butler + next years Chicagos 1rst round pick, Minnesota gets #3, Bradley and Chicago gets IT and Wiggins. It may need a third team to happen.

[Ilikesports17]

What if this is a three team deal where Celtics get Butler + next years Chicagos 1rst round pick, Minnesota gets #3, Bradley and Chicago gets IT and Wiggins. It may need a third team to happen.

Thomas and Wiggins??? For Butler and a 1st!!! That's the biggest overpay I've heard yet!

[PaulP34]

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What if this is a three team deal where Celtics get Butler + next years Chicagos 1rst round pick, Minnesota gets #3, Bradley and Chicago gets IT and Wiggins. It may need a third team to happen.

Thomas and Wiggins??? For Butler and a 1st!!! That's the biggest overpay I've heard yet!

Not really. Bulls get IT and Wiggins, Minnesota gets #3 and Bradley but at least Boston would get more then just Butler, we'd also get another 1st rd pick next year. It probably won't be the case but I can't see trading the 3+IT+ Bradley just for Butler. There would have to be something else or its not worth it