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[tankcity!]

I can't believe so many are down on Chriss. I think he'd be an absolute perfect fit for us at the 4. Sure, he's riskier than some of the older picks, but his ceiling might possibly be as high if not higher than Simmons' and Ingram's ceilings. If we can't trade the pick, he's my pick at three if need be, though I'd certainly love to get him a few picks later while picking up some other assets.

Perhaps it's because I'm not very excited about any of the other prospects that I like Chris's so much. I actually like Hield l, but I think he'll end up more JJ Reddick than anything, which is still good just not enough for the third pick.

It's because they would rather have a tall stiff benchwarming Euro no one has enough tape on and can't provide concrete statistical evidence that he can shoot. I mean we all know Chriss is too risky, but Bender, no way. He's not risky at all.

I think people who support drafting Bender would acknowledge that he is a risky pick, after all, if there wasn't so much risk we would hear about him going #2 or at least in the conversation.  It's foolish to think there is less knowledge of Bender than Chriss though.  Dragan has been a top prospect for several years and a projected top 5 pick for the last two years.  Their is plenty of knowledge of what he can do...the draft has just changed to selecting for potential instead current ability.

No it isn't?? I'm not talking about Ainge, I'm talking about the posters on this board. Nowhere have the Celtics truly been linked to Bender. If Ainge drafts Bender, then yeah, I will give the Celtics the benefit of the doubt, but posters here act like they know what they're talking about when they don't.

Like I've been saying, can someone provide me with Bender stats that are factual? Because there are a lot of differing stats out there so we have no idea if he can shoot.

Also, Ainge himself said Chriss could shoot. So Chriss can shoot, and he is more athletic. So why are people so down on him? Makes no sense if you're a bender believer.

[jpotter33]

I can't believe so many are down on Chriss. I think he'd be an absolute perfect fit for us at the 4. Sure, he's riskier than some of the older picks, but his ceiling might possibly be as high if not higher than Simmons' and Ingram's ceilings. If we can't trade the pick, he's my pick at three if need be, though I'd certainly love to get him a few picks later while picking up some other assets.

Perhaps it's because I'm not very excited about any of the other prospects that I like Chris's so much. I actually like Hield l, but I think he'll end up more JJ Reddick than anything, which is still good just not enough for the third pick.

It's because they would rather have a tall stiff benchwarming Euro no one has enough tape on and can't provide concrete statistical evidence that he can shoot. I mean we all know Chriss is too risky, but Bender, no way. He's not risky at all.

I think people who support drafting Bender would acknowledge that he is a risky pick, after all, if there wasn't so much risk we would hear about him going #2 or at least in the conversation.  It's foolish to think there is less knowledge of Bender than Chriss though.  Dragan has been a top prospect for several years and a projected top 5 pick for the last two years.  Their is plenty of knowledge of what he can do...the draft has just changed to selecting for potential instead current ability.

No it isn't?? I'm not talking about Ainge, I'm talking about the posters on this board. Nowhere have the Celtics truly been linked to Bender. If Ainge drafts Bender, then yeah, I will give the Celtics the benefit of the doubt, but posters here act like they know what they're talking about when they don't.

Like I've been saying, can someone provide me with Bender stats that are factual? Because there are a lot of differing stats out there so we have no idea if he can shoot.

Also, Ainge himself said Chriss could shoot. So Chriss can shoot, and he is more athletic. So why are people so down on him? Makes no sense if you're a bender believer.

Where did you see the Ainge quote at? I was looking to see what he thought of him, but I couldn't find anything.

[tankcity!]

I can't believe so many are down on Chriss. I think he'd be an absolute perfect fit for us at the 4. Sure, he's riskier than some of the older picks, but his ceiling might possibly be as high if not higher than Simmons' and Ingram's ceilings. If we can't trade the pick, he's my pick at three if need be, though I'd certainly love to get him a few picks later while picking up some other assets.

Perhaps it's because I'm not very excited about any of the other prospects that I like Chris's so much. I actually like Hield l, but I think he'll end up more JJ Reddick than anything, which is still good just not enough for the third pick.

It's because they would rather have a tall stiff benchwarming Euro no one has enough tape on and can't provide concrete statistical evidence that he can shoot. I mean we all know Chriss is too risky, but Bender, no way. He's not risky at all.

I think people who support drafting Bender would acknowledge that he is a risky pick, after all, if there wasn't so much risk we would hear about him going #2 or at least in the conversation.  It's foolish to think there is less knowledge of Bender than Chriss though.  Dragan has been a top prospect for several years and a projected top 5 pick for the last two years.  Their is plenty of knowledge of what he can do...the draft has just changed to selecting for potential instead current ability.

No it isn't?? I'm not talking about Ainge, I'm talking about the posters on this board. Nowhere have the Celtics truly been linked to Bender. If Ainge drafts Bender, then yeah, I will give the Celtics the benefit of the doubt, but posters here act like they know what they're talking about when they don't.

Like I've been saying, can someone provide me with Bender stats that are factual? Because there are a lot of differing stats out there so we have no idea if he can shoot.

Also, Ainge himself said Chriss could shoot. So Chriss can shoot, and he is more athletic. So why are people so down on him? Makes no sense if you're a bender believer.

Where did you see the Ainge quote at? I was looking to see what he thought of him, but I couldn't find anything.

As for Monday's workouts, Ainge said of the 6-10 Chriss, "He's very young. He's still only 18 years old. He's a great athlete and a good shooter. He's got a very high upside."

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/celtics_insider/2016/06/celtics_wont_see_everyone_but_that_wont_affect_danny_ainges

[PhoSita]

If we go Chriss at 3 and Malachi at 16 I might put a piece of furniture through my tv.

Also, I see Valentine going in the 20's in mocks but I don't understand it at all. He's a great shooter at a time when shooting is at a premium. I don't think he's much worse than Buddy.

Chriss and malachi could turn into really valuable players, or be a couple of James Young type busts. Two guys that wow with the eye test but look horrible by the numbers.

I suppose I'm in favor of swinging for the fences, but yeah, that'd set my teeth on edge.

What exactly wowed you about James Young when we drafted him? He had no handles, not really athletic. All we were expecting was him to be able to shoot when we drafted him. So I really don't get the wow comparison since Young wasn't much to look at visually. Also, he was pretty slow in college. Most raw player we have drafted with the exception of Fab Melo.

Raw physical tools.

Go look up the clip of him dunking in the tourney that year.

Or roll the clip of Simmons fist pumping after Young was selected.

[tankcity!]

If we go Chriss at 3 and Malachi at 16 I might put a piece of furniture through my tv.

Also, I see Valentine going in the 20's in mocks but I don't understand it at all. He's a great shooter at a time when shooting is at a premium. I don't think he's much worse than Buddy.

Chriss and malachi could turn into really valuable players, or be a couple of James Young type busts. Two guys that wow with the eye test but look horrible by the numbers.

I suppose I'm in favor of swinging for the fences, but yeah, that'd set my teeth on edge.

What exactly wowed you about James Young when we drafted him? He had no handles, not really athletic. All we were expecting was him to be able to shoot when we drafted him. So I really don't get the wow comparison since Young wasn't much to look at visually. Also, he was pretty slow in college. Most raw player we have drafted with the exception of Fab Melo.

Raw physical tools.

Go look up the clip of him dunking in the tourney that year.

Or roll the clip of Simmons fist pumping after Young was selected.

Yeah I saw that clip, he doesn't have much air to be honest. His vertical is 35.5 while Jamal Murray's is 39.5. He had a nice wingspan, that's about it. These other two guys are freak athletes and at worse are going to be role players. James Young may be the worst player in the league. There is a reason he was drafted 17th overall. I think people would have been happy with him being a 3 and D player.

Also, Simmons is emotional. You can't use him to back your point, haha. I remember when we traded the big 3, he wanted us to sign Josh Smith. Yeah, I wouldn't depend on that guy being right about a player. He's good at entertaining though, and he thinks about basketball the right way. 

[alewilliam789]

I'm fine with everybody besides Chriss at 3rd overall. Take Chriss and I'm calling for Ainge's head. I believe we should take Dunn, but it's a whole different matter for who we will take. Stevens like Brown and I can justify Brownbecause if he develops that j he's a top SF/maybe an all-star.

[tarheelsxxiii]

I'm convinced there is virtually no chance of us keeping this pick -- I expect us to draft and trade Dunn. He was and appears to still be highly coveted, and if you've seen a recent interview with him, he simply oozes star potential. Moreover, the depth of Tier 1 prospects + DA's lack of experience in drafting top 3 + management's desire to "win now" make it inconceivable to me that we select and develop one of these far-reaching prospects for several years.

My guess is that Dunn is then traded for Okafor, as I don't see Butler being attainable for anything less than a King's ransom; Boogie is and will be off the table; and I'm not sure the FO would be all that interested in Love for #3 (plus) as of now.

[loco_91]

DX is really plugged in, so I take notice when they have now movement like Murray at #8, Hernangomez at #20, and Ulis out of the first round.

Our picks :

3- Chriss
16- Richardson
23- Valentine
31- B. Johnson
35- Maker
45- Hammons
51- Layman
58- Bolomboy

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2016/

Our selections at #3 and #16 are questionable at best, but Valentine at 23, Brice at 31 and Maker at 35 somewhat redeem them.

[SHAQATTACK]

Not what I want .....I want DA to trade the pick before the draft

But I be.ieve he'll take Dunn if force to use the pick.

He has the elite profile going , might end up being very valuable  to keep or trade.

That makes AB, Smart and Rozier available to trade towards a big such as  Oakfor or Boogie.

[kraidstar]

no way does maker drop all the way to #35.

think about it, half the posters here are obsessed with him, and there's a reason for it. the guy is a tremendous physical specimen who appears to have the ambition to become a top player.

he has a chance to be great, despite being a very high bust risk.

you can bet some GMs have already fallen in love with that potential and will nab him much earlier, maybe even in the early teens. i'd almost rather take a flier on him than some of those guys in the teens - baldwin, prince, sabonis, etc all look like they could become decent players, but how much star potential is there really?

maybe it's just desperate hope, but someone will bite early on maker.

[Beat LA]

If we go Chriss at 3 and Malachi at 16 I might put a piece of furniture through my tv.

Also, I see Valentine going in the 20's in mocks but I don't understand it at all. He's a great shooter at a time when shooting is at a premium. I don't think he's much worse than Buddy.

Chriss and malachi could turn into really valuable players, or be a couple of James Young type busts. Two guys that wow with the eye test but look horrible by the numbers.

I suppose I'm in favor of swinging for the fences, but yeah, that'd set my teeth on edge.

What exactly wowed you about James Young when we drafted him? He had no handles, not really athletic. All we were expecting was him to be able to shoot when we drafted him. So I really don't get the wow comparison since Young wasn't much to look at visually. Also, he was pretty slow in college. Most raw player we have drafted with the exception of Fab Melo.

Raw physical tools.

Go look up the clip of him dunking in the tourney that year.

Or roll the clip of Simmons fist pumping after Young was selected.

Yeah I saw that clip, he doesn't have much air to be honest. His vertical is 35.5 while Jamal Murray's is 39.5. He had a nice wingspan, that's about it. These other two guys are freak athletes and at worse are going to be role players. James Young may be the worst player in the league. There is a reason he was drafted 17th overall. I think people would have been happy with him being a 3 and D player.

Also, Simmons is emotional. You can't use him to back your point, haha. I remember when we traded the big 3, he wanted us to sign Josh Smith. Yeah, I wouldn't depend on that guy being right about a player. He's good at entertaining though, and he thinks about basketball the right way.

Yeah, except that we never even got the 3, and let'd not talk about his 'defense' . Ugh.

[Beat LA]

no way does maker drop all the way to #35.

think about it, half the posters here are obsessed with him, and there's a reason for it. the guy is a tremendous physical specimen who appears to have the ambition to become a top player.

he has a chance to be great, despite being a very high bust risk.

you can bet some GMs have already fallen in love with that potential and will nab him much earlier, maybe even in the early teens. i'd almost rather take a flier on him than some of those guys in the teens - baldwin, prince, sabonis, etc all look like they could become decent players, but how much star potential is there really?

maybe it's just desperate hope, but someone will bite early on maker.

Yeah, I can't see that happening, either, but I can certainly see Phoenix taking him at 13, as long as an obviously better player or two hasn't somehow slipped.

[Evantime34]

Just listened to Celtics stuff Live podcast and Jeff Goodman mentioned that Denzel Valentine has some issues with his knee that are scaring some teams off. That explanation for him slipping makes a lot more sense to me than him slipping due to talent/skill.

[gift]

Starting to think Richardson at 16 might be a real thing. Someone (Ford???) said he won't work out for certain teams and concluded that meant he would be picked by early twenties. We know Ainge has a history of both drafting relative surprises in the mid-first round and giving promises to players he likes. Now he shows up at the 16 pick on DX.

[mmmmm]

If we go Chriss at 3 and Malachi at 16 I might put a piece of furniture through my tv.

Also, I see Valentine going in the 20's in mocks but I don't understand it at all. He's a great shooter at a time when shooting is at a premium. I don't think he's much worse than Buddy.

Chriss and malachi could turn into really valuable players, or be a couple of James Young type busts. Two guys that wow with the eye test but look horrible by the numbers.

I suppose I'm in favor of swinging for the fences, but yeah, that'd set my teeth on edge.

What exactly wowed you about James Young when we drafted him? He had no handles, not really athletic. All we were expecting was him to be able to shoot when we drafted him. So I really don't get the wow comparison since Young wasn't much to look at visually. Also, he was pretty slow in college. Most raw player we have drafted with the exception of Fab Melo.

Raw physical tools.

Go look up the clip of him dunking in the tourney that year.

Or roll the clip of Simmons fist pumping after Young was selected.

Yeah I saw that clip, he doesn't have much air to be honest. His vertical is 35.5 while Jamal Murray's is 39.5. He had a nice wingspan, that's about it.

A 35.5 inch vertical is a bit more impressive on a 6' 7" guy with a 7' wingspan, than it would be on a 6' 4" guy with a 6' 6.5" wingspan.

Young's max vertical reach at the combine was 11' 7.5", just behind Zach Lavine's 11' 9.5" among shooting guards drafted that year.

Hindsight sees that Young hasn't done much so far in his NBA career to validate his pick, but at the time of the pick, the vast majority of folks had no reason to think it wasn't a good pick based on his physical potential.  His physical attributes are not that different from Wiggins.  And it was only a #17 pick.

If the comparison point is Chriss, there is obviously a bit more risk involved with using the #3 pick.   I personally would love to take a chance on Chriss, but based on what I perceive (I've seen a LOT of Chriss' games) preferably not with that high of a pick.  Super high ceiling.  Scary looking floor.  I'll trust Danny and his staff will have done their due diligence though.