Buddy Hield, per source, hit 85 of 100 3's in front of Celtics brass today

[LarBrd33]

I heard about this guy that played till his senior year once. All he could really do was shoot and hustle. Maybe pass a little. He had a terrible freshman year. About as bad as possible actually. Very low ceiling due to a low level of athleticism. There were probably freshman that year that projected better than him. He was player of the year, but still. Worked out though. I think his name was Larry something.

C'mon... different era.  That's lazy.  Players played longer back then.  It was common.  Less money on the table.  More accepted.  These days, with multi million dollar contracts on the line, essentially every player who can get a guaranteed contract will leave before their senior year.  And actually, when they were able to jump straight from high school, the ones with the talent/potential to be drafted high would skip College entirely.   There's very few 4-year seniors drafted over the past decade to make an all-star team.  And the ones that do are usually flukey instances where the guy vastly exceeded expectations after being drafted late.   And because all the top peers jump ship for the pros well before Senior year, it gives an even greater advantage to fringe talent who stay all four years.  It's how you get guys like Jimmer and Hield dominating as Seniors.  Doesn't always translate to the pros.

Isn't that exactly why all the College bball fanatics want to see the NBA add an age limit?... because the level of competition sucks these days with all the best players jumping after Freshman season?

Maybe Hield/Dunn still end up being really good players.  But I totally understand why some are skeptical and the consensus seems to be they will peak out as role players.

[CelticSooner]

LarBrd you need to get back to asking your bubble tea guy who the the next HOF will be.

[Csfan1984]

Didn't take long for a debate arises from a simple tweet of how many 3s he hit out of 100.

[LarBrd33]

LarBrd you need to get back to asking your bubble tea guy who the the next HOF will be.

The consensus from all my food truck vendors is that there isn't a single HOF candidate in this draft - except for maybe Ben Simmons.

[CelticSooner]

Didn't take long for a debate arises from a simple tweet of how many 3s he hit out of 100.

The Murray vs Hield debate will rage for years to come. Team fit will ultimately be the determining factor IMO.

[Eja117]

I heard about this guy that played till his senior year once. All he could really do was shoot and hustle. Maybe pass a little. He had a terrible freshman year. About as bad as possible actually. Very low ceiling due to a low level of athleticism. There were probably freshman that year that projected better than him. He was player of the year, but still. Worked out though. I think his name was Larry something.

C'mon... different era.  That's lazy.  Players played longer back then.  It was common.  Less money on the table.  More accepted.  These days, with multi million dollar contracts on the line, essentially every player who can get a guaranteed contract will leave before their senior year.  And actually, when they were able to jump straight from high school, the ones with the talent/potential to be drafted high would skip College entirely.   There's very few 4-year seniors drafted over the past decade to make an all-star team.  And the ones that do are usually flukey instances where the guy vastly exceeded expectations after being drafted late.   And because all the top peers jump ship for the pros well before Senior year, it gives an even greater advantage to fringe talent who stay all four years.  It's how you get guys like Jimmer and Hield dominating as Seniors.  Doesn't always translate to the pros.

Isn't that exactly why all the College bball fanatics want to see the NBA add an age limit?... because the level of competition sucks these days with all the best players jumping after Freshman season?

Maybe Hield/Dunn still end up being really good players.  But I totally understand why some are skeptical and the consensus seems to be they will peak out as role players.

Are you saying Bird would have been drafted as a freshman today? Or that he would have been drafted 35th like Draymond Green?

If we're gonna compare him to a senior maybe Brandon Roy should be the guy instead of Jimmer.

[Ilikesports17]

LarBrd you need to get back to asking your bubble tea guy who the the next HOF will be.

The consensus from all my food truck vendors is that there isn't a single HOF candidate in this draft - except for maybe Ben Simmons.

Pictured:LarBrd discussing with his favorite food truck vendors

[dreamgreen]

Jeff Goodman ‏@GoodmanESPN 9m9 minutes ago

Jamal Murray hit 79 of 100 3’s in Boston last week. Buddy Hield, per source, hit 85 of 100 in front of Celtics brass today in California.
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But the question is, how many threes would jamal Murray hit 3 years from now?

Than ask yourself how many minutes each one plays per game over the next 3 years?

[ThaPreacher]

Jeff Goodman ‏@GoodmanESPN 9m9 minutes ago

Jamal Murray hit 79 of 100 3’s in Boston last week. Buddy Hield, per source, hit 85 of 100 in front of Celtics brass today in California.
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But the question is, how many threes would jamal Murray hit 3 years from now?

Ah, but how many threes would Hield hit 3 years from now?

It is relative.  Project 10 year NBA career for both of them. 
Murray hits 79 out of every 100.  Hield hits 85 out of every 100.  They both take 10,000 threes.
Which shooter scores more points?

[BornReady]

It's impressive as a rookie
But I remember ainge coming out saying after Murray hit 79
That's it was routine for the guys currently on his team to hit around 80

Also I'm not surprised or impressed that Hield did this
As we knew he was shooter
It's the other parts of his game that need work

[Sixth Man]

Jeff Goodman ‏@GoodmanESPN 9m9 minutes ago

Jamal Murray hit 79 of 100 3’s in Boston last week. Buddy Hield, per source, hit 85 of 100 in front of Celtics brass today in California.
168 retweets 116 likes

But the question is, how many threes would jamal Murray hit 3 years from now?

Based on wonky math...

Hield shot an uncharacteristic .457% from three this season (surrounded by other great three point shooters... only shot .359% last season)... he managed to hit 85 of 100 open shots.  Considering that he only shot .238% from three as a Freshman, we can guesstimate that Hield would hit 44/100 when he was the same age as Murray.

Meanwhile, Murray shot .408% as a Freshman and made 79 of 100 open shots.  If Murray saw a similar jump in 3P% to Hield (from .238 to .457 = 1.92x greater), Murray would see his 3P% jump from .408% to .783% by his Senior year... and thus, if Murray was the same age as Hield, he'd hit 152 out of 100 open shots.

Pretty definitive.   

Hilarious, TP!

Hilarious, but also ridiculous.  This is what happens when someone confuses mathematics with statistics. 

[chambers]

Murray and hield are both accurate shooters

But overall shooting adv goes to Murray imo

Bc he can elevate at the highest point before shooting. Hield has more of a set jump shot (at times cant get the shot off against tough long defenders).   Also Murray is able to run around screens, receive a pass and shoot off balance in one motion.   Hield on the other hand cant do this

Murray can dribble stop and pop (or again off balance shot).  Hield is not nearly as good at doing this

Hield has the quicker release, the far longer wingspan and standing reach, and has one of the best step back shots in the game of basketball. Hield creates light years more separation on his jumpshot that Murray. He also moves better off the ball and makes himself an easy target for his team mates to pass to.
Both great players, but please give Buddy his credit. In the NBA, Buddy is FAR more likely to get his shot off due to his size, strength, length and quicker release.

[byennie]

It's impressive as a rookie
But I remember ainge coming out saying after Murray hit 79
That's it was routine for the guys currently on his team to hit around 80

Also I'm not surprised or impressed that Hield did this
As we knew he was shooter
It's the other parts of his game that need work

That's not what Ainge said. What he was saying is that 79 would not be a record for the team, because over time (and many attempts) guys will sometimes hit 80+. The implication is nobody hits 79 (or 85...) on their first try.

[action781]

Underclassmen taken before senior Damian Lillard in 2012, after unanimous #1 Anthony Davis was picked.

Thomas Robinson.
Dion Waiters.
Bradley Beal.
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist.

When exactly is all that superior upside supposed to kick in?

Mike

Excellent point (example), Mike.  Lilliard's college career bears some similarity to Buddy's too.  People fall in love with that upside though.

[Beat LA]

LarBrd you need to get back to asking your bubble tea guy who the the next HOF will be.

The consensus from all my food truck vendors is that there isn't a single HOF candidate in this draft - except for maybe Ben Simmons.

TP for the laugh .