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and by the way, kris humphries once made 70 of 85 threes during a practice.

So in other words, if you take thousands and thousands of practices by average NBA players, then one time one guy might get hot enough to hit 82% during a shorter drill and it becomes a practice legend. Which of course is a lower percentage than Hield made on his first try, and he'd have to hit 15 in a row to tie him.

You know, you can take a drill with a grain of salt while also recognizing the probability of it happening. A non-elite shooter making 85% on the first attempt is practically a one-in-a-million likelihood.

Who knows, maybe the guy can't get his shot off against NBA defenders. But he's showing that he can hit open shots at an All-NBA type level, and that's worth something.

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Jeff Goodman ‏@GoodmanESPN 9m9 minutes ago

Jamal Murray hit 79 of 100 3’s in Boston last week. Buddy Hield, per source, hit 85 of 100 in front of Celtics brass today in California.
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But the question is, how many threes would jamal Murray hit 3 years from now?
Based on wonky math...

Hield shot an uncharacteristic .457% from three this season (surrounded by other great three point shooters... only shot .359% last season)... he managed to hit 85 of 100 open shots.  Considering that he only shot .238% from three as a Freshman, we can guesstimate that Hield would hit 44/100 when he was the same age as Murray.

Meanwhile, Murray shot .408% as a Freshman and made 79 of 100 open shots.  If Murray saw a similar jump in 3P% to Hield (from .238 to .457 = 1.92x greater), Murray would see his 3P% jump from .408% to .783% by his Senior year... and thus, if Murray was the same age as Hield, he'd hit 152 out of 100 open shots.

Pretty definitive.   

True. Although to be fair, Hield appears to double every 3 years, so three years from now he'll be making ~190 and approaching the sacred 6 pps.

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Murray and hield are both accurate shooters

But overall shooting adv goes to Murray imo

Bc he can elevate at the highest point before shooting. Hield has more of a set jump shot (at times cant get the shot off against tough long defenders).   Also Murray is able to run around screens, receive a pass and shoot off balance in one motion.   Hield on the other hand cant do this

Murray can dribble stop and pop (or again off balance shot).  Hield is not nearly as good at doing this

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Jeff Goodman ‏@GoodmanESPN 9m9 minutes ago

Jamal Murray hit 79 of 100 3’s in Boston last week. Buddy Hield, per source, hit 85 of 100 in front of Celtics brass today in California.
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But the question is, how many threes would jamal Murray hit 3 years from now?
Based on wonky math...

Hield shot an uncharacteristic .457% from three this season (surrounded by other great three point shooters... only shot .359% last season)... he managed to hit 85 of 100 open shots.  Considering that he only shot .238% from three as a Freshman, we can guesstimate that Hield would hit 44/100 when he was the same age as Murray.

Meanwhile, Murray shot .408% as a Freshman and made 79 of 100 open shots.  If Murray saw a similar jump in 3P% to Hield (from .238 to .457 = 1.92x greater), Murray would see his 3P% jump from .408% to .783% by his Senior year... and thus, if Murray was the same age as Hield, he'd hit 152 out of 100 open shots.

Pretty definitive.   

True. Although to be fair, Hield appears to double every 3 years, so three years from now he'll be making ~190 and approaching the sacred 6 pps.
To be fair, Hield saw his 3p% drop from sophomore to junior years and it's pretty likely a large part of his success as a Senior had to do with experience, age, and additional elite shooters surrounding him.  And based on the evidence that players make the more significant progression before the age of 24, Hield has about a year to continue any major progress.   Murray has 4.

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Jeff Goodman ‏@GoodmanESPN 9m9 minutes ago

Jamal Murray hit 79 of 100 3’s in Boston last week. Buddy Hield, per source, hit 85 of 100 in front of Celtics brass today in California.
168 retweets 116 likes
But the question is, how many threes would jamal Murray hit 3 years from now?
Based on wonky math...

Hield shot an uncharacteristic .457% from three this season (surrounded by other great three point shooters... only shot .359% last season)... he managed to hit 85 of 100 open shots.  Considering that he only shot .238% from three as a Freshman, we can guesstimate that Hield would hit 44/100 when he was the same age as Murray.

Meanwhile, Murray shot .408% as a Freshman and made 79 of 100 open shots.  If Murray saw a similar jump in 3P% to Hield (from .238 to .457 = 1.92x greater), Murray would see his 3P% jump from .408% to .783% by his Senior year... and thus, if Murray was the same age as Hield, he'd hit 152 out of 100 open shots.

Pretty definitive.   

True. Although to be fair, Hield appears to double every 3 years, so three years from now he'll be making ~190 and approaching the sacred 6 pps.
To be fair, Hield saw his 3p% drop from sophomore to junior years and it's pretty likely a large part of his success as a Senior had to do with experience, age, and additional elite shooters surrounding him.  And based on the evidence that players make the more significant progression before the age of 24, Hield has about a year to continue any major progress.   Murray has 4.

Sure, except some pretty flawed assumptions:

1) That 19 year old players will typically improve on their single *strongest* attribute (as opposed to their many weaknesses). Murray will probably become a better all-around player, yes. Whether his shooting changes much is highly questionable. Keep in mind if he never did improve on defense etc, he might not even belong in the NBA.

2) Hield suddenly benefiting from his teammates as a Senior. Who knows... clearly the age and experience helped him, but a) he maximized those factor, not everyone does; and b) Age is already factored in a bit here. Hield was a significantly better college player last year.

3) Player growth is probably a mixture of actual age, and experience. They both have zero NBA experience, where a lot of that growth happens. A player that makes the leap to the NBA 4 years sooner doesn't just pick up an extra 4 years of development at the pro level. I'd say it's condensed a bit.

To me, the biggest thing people are missing is not that Murray is young (which certainly DOES imply a lot of upside remaining), but that he's also not a very good all-around player yet, and could easily be 2 years behind Hield right now, which mitigates the age thing a good amount. Whether Hield can continue to grow is of course highly subjective.

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Jeff Goodman ‏@GoodmanESPN 9m9 minutes ago

Jamal Murray hit 79 of 100 3’s in Boston last week. Buddy Hield, per source, hit 85 of 100 in front of Celtics brass today in California.
168 retweets 116 likes
But the question is, how many threes would jamal Murray hit 3 years from now?
Based on wonky math...

Hield shot an uncharacteristic .457% from three this season (surrounded by other great three point shooters... only shot .359% last season)... he managed to hit 85 of 100 open shots.  Considering that he only shot .238% from three as a Freshman, we can guesstimate that Hield would hit 44/100 when he was the same age as Murray.

Meanwhile, Murray shot .408% as a Freshman and made 79 of 100 open shots.  If Murray saw a similar jump in 3P% to Hield (from .238 to .457 = 1.92x greater), Murray would see his 3P% jump from .408% to .783% by his Senior year... and thus, if Murray was the same age as Hield, he'd hit 152 out of 100 open shots.

Pretty definitive.   

I think you are being sarcastic, but with you, I can never quite tell.  Nice going!!

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Besides the age thing, I just see Murray's skills as more translatable to the NBA and a better fit in Boston's offense.

Buddy gets most of his hoops off transition or with the ball in his hands. The problem is, I don't see him being able to create in the NBA, the same way he did in college with stiffer competition.

Murray scored most of his points coming off screens, a skill that Hield has yet to master. To me, a shooter who can score off the ball is more valuable than one that will dominate the ball. I see Murray as being better for our ball movement offense than Hield who I think needs to be the center of attention.

On the locked on podcast, with Mike Schmitz they mention how guys who dominate the ball often struggle in the NBA where they don't get the ball as much (they used Jimmer as an example)

BTW- this is a good article on Buddy, especially for all the South Park fans out there.
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Besides the age thing, I just see Murray's skills as more translatable to the NBA and a better fit in Boston's offense.

Buddy gets most of his hoops off transition or with the ball in his hands. The problem is, I don't see him being able to create in the NBA, the same way he did in college with stiffer competition.

Murray scored most of his points coming off screens, a skill that Hield has yet to master. To me, a shooter who can score off the ball is more valuable than one that will dominate the ball. I see Murray as being better for our ball movement offense than Hield who I think needs to be the center of attention.

On the locked on podcast, with Mike Schmitz they mention how guys who dominate the ball often struggle in the NBA where they don't get the ball as much (they used Jimmer as an example)

BTW- this is a good article on Buddy, especially for all the South Park fans out there.

Why is being the equivalent of JJ Redick a good thing for Murray but a bad thing for Hield?

By the way, Hields usage % as a senior was 30.2.  Murray's as a freshman was 27.1.

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It only took reddick 3 years of college ball to produce stats per game that it took murray in 1 year

Jj reddick also cant leap very high/dunk.  Murray can play above the rim

Murray is a better talent

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It only took reddick 3 years of college ball to produce stats per game that it took murray in 1 year

Jj reddick also cant leap very high/dunk.  Murray can play above the rim

Murray is a better talent

I think you are the only person on Earth who ever connected Jamal Murray with the the phrase "above the rim."

Mike

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It only took reddick 3 years of college ball to produce stats per game that it took murray in 1 year

Jj reddick also cant leap very high/dunk.  Murray can play above the rim

Murray is a better talent

I think you are the only person on Earth who ever connected Jamal Murray with the the phrase "above the rim."

Mike

Why dont you watch his dunks and blocks out of nowhere and tell me he cant jump

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It only took reddick 3 years of college ball to produce stats per game that it took murray in 1 year

Jj reddick also cant leap very high/dunk.  Murray can play above the rim

Murray is a better talent

I think you are the only person on Earth who ever connected Jamal Murray with the the phrase "above the rim."

Mike

Why dont you watch his dunks and blocks out of nowhere and tell me he cant jump
Yeah, Murray has nice vertical explosion, he has really bad quickness and burst. I think his balance etc is really nice which makes him deceptively quick.

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It only took reddick 3 years of college ball to produce stats per game that it took murray in 1 year

Jj reddick also cant leap very high/dunk.  Murray can play above the rim

Murray is a better talent

I think you are the only person on Earth who ever connected Jamal Murray with the the phrase "above the rim."

Mike

Not Russel Westbrook but not completely below the rim like JJ.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEPiuyfzc4A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pmT_T6ublk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXEhp4SOURY
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Bender>Brown>Dunn>Murray>Hield

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Wow this is bananas to me. Like why can't Murray be K. Irving and Hield be Ray Allen? Both Great players but different..

And where does the logic come from that states a kid who is a proven elite shooter wont figure out how to come off a pick and Shoot.. All the kid has shown us is that he has improved with every passing year.. These are actually facts not speculation.
With Murray only playing 1 year that's pretty hard to say.. Sure We can assume that he will improve but we have no tangible evidence that says he will.. or how much he will.

As for this age thing, when did 22 become the top out age.. Like oh my god your 22 - you cant improve on anything because your 22.. This makes no sense to me especially considering that we are all fans of a league where even the GOAT'S game grew into his 30's.

The reality of this age thing is this. Buddy, Murray, Bender, Chriss and everyone else will start off as freaking nba Rookies.. Thats all.. 

Will Murray grow more in the nba Than Buddy - maybe. But if Buddy grows just a little bit lord knows what he will be.. He is already a knockdown Elite shooter.. IF he cant get his own shot (Like AB) then get a guy around him who can get him his shots..  This is how its suppose to work anyway.. Buddy is not a Point guard..  He doesn't need Irving handles.. He will do fine with Klaye Thompson handles.

As for the work out anybody who followed this kid Knew without a doubt the he would outdo whatever the record was.. He is just an ultra competitor like that.. but whats funny is that  folks raved about 79 but when this kid dropped 85 it was a problem.  The kid is a shooter - the best in the draft, unlike anybody else we have on our roster.. He is Elite.

oh and to the gentleman who keeps insisting that Buddy shoots a set shot please look at Hardin's shot form..  You wont find any much difference at all.

Shooters shoot..  and  We have seen folks in this league have success shooting in all kinds of ways..

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It only took reddick 3 years of college ball to produce stats per game that it took murray in 1 year

Jj reddick also cant leap very high/dunk.  Murray can play above the rim

Murray is a better talent

I think you are the only person on Earth who ever connected Jamal Murray with the the phrase "above the rim."

Mike

Not Russel Westbrook but not completely below the rim like JJ.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEPiuyfzc4A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pmT_T6ublk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXEhp4SOURY

Did you listen to the audio on the first video?
Teammate: "I haven't actually seen you throw one down in a while."

Every young NBA guard prospect over 6 feet tall can throw down a hard dunk in practice. I think you are misunderstanding the difference between "athletic" and top NBA prospect NBA athletic. By NBA prospect standards, Murray is molasses right now. Hopefully he improves.