Got a feeling Celtics pick Murray and Sabonis

[Tr1boy]

3rd pick: Jamal Murray

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MB0vHLKuh6k

And after what GSW did to beat Cavs (raining 3 pt shooting) but also vice versa (Cavs only win) 3 pt shooting/shooters is more and more becoming a premium

Murray is one of the 3 best shooters of this draft. No question.  He is strong for his age, underrated explosiveness, underrated scorer (other than shooter) and overall a good player with all star potential.

Think Devin Booker/Klay Thompson

Murray at 3 should mean James Young and/or RJ Hunter are likely gone. 

Guard depth will look like

AB/IT
Smart/Murray/Rozier


12th Pick: Domantas Sabonis (Trade 16, 35)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJYj65flIfw

Another problem the Celtics had last season was they didn't have that one reliable "rebounder".  Yes Amir, Sully did a good job at times and the team did an amazing job rebounding as a team but we saw some games, some moments, against the likes of Tristant Thompson etc.  that we sorely lacked that one reliable rebounder.   This is where Sabonis will step in (and replace Sullinger).  I compare Sabonis to Draymond Green.  Minus as good handles, shooting but is taller and has better interior scoring skills . Both are fiery competitors , able to guard multiple positions (versatility edge goes to Green),  high IQ,  high motor, very good rebounders and tough as nails.    Sabonis will fit right in with this group and contribute right away imo. 


Rest of the picks

23rd Pick: Luwawu - Draft and Stash

31st pick: Yabusele - Project with upside

45th pick: Ibeh - Send overseas

51st pick:  Danuel House - Send overseas

58th pick: Chinanu Onuaku   - Send overseas

[TheTruthFot18]

I hope so. I'm just not sure Utah does it.

[Smartacus]

How are you going to send Chinanu Onuaku overseas. He'd end up in Maine before taking the Colton Iverson route. Don't see him falling to 58 either.

[Tr1boy]

I hope so. I'm just not sure Utah does it.

Maybe not.  But the Jazz also like a couple of players late 1sts/early 2nd.

early 2nds this year look like they hold much more value than years previous

i'm sure we can move up at least a few spots coupled with the 16

[Tr1boy]

How are you going to send Chinanu Onuaku overseas. He'd end up in Maine before taking the Colton Iverson route. Don't see him falling to 58 either.

I think his injury will scare teams away (though I believe he has remedied it with surgery)

You can't keep that many players on the roster, even if its to send them down to maine.  They will count as one of the 15 on the main roster

[crimson_stallion]

3rd pick: Jamal Murray

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MB0vHLKuh6k

And after what GSW did to beat Cavs (raining 3 pt shooting) but also vice versa (Cavs only win) 3 pt shooting/shooters is more and more becoming a premium

Murray is one of the 3 best shooters of this draft. No question.  He is strong for his age, underrated explosiveness, underrated scorer (other than shooter) and overall a good player with all star potential.

Think Devin Booker/Klay Thompson

Murray at 3 should mean James Young and/or RJ Hunter are likely gone. 

Guard depth will look like

AB/IT
Smart/Murray/Rozier


12th Pick: Domantas Sabonis (Trade 16, 35)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJYj65flIfw

Another problem the Celtics had last season was they didn't have that one reliable "rebounder".  Yes Amir, Sully did a good job at times and the team did an amazing job rebounding as a team but we saw some games, some moments, against the likes of Tristant Thompson etc.  that we sorely lacked that one reliable rebounder.   This is where Sabonis will step in (and replace Sullinger).  I compare Sabonis to Draymond Green.  Minus as good handles, shooting but is taller and has better interior scoring skills . Both are fiery competitors , able to guard multiple positions (versatility edge goes to Green),  high IQ,  high motor, very good rebounders and tough as nails.    Sabonis will fit right in with this group and contribute right away imo. 


Rest of the picks

23rd Pick: Luwawu - Draft and Stash

31st pick: Yabusele - Project with upside

45th pick: Ibeh - Send overseas

51st pick:  Danuel House - Send overseas

58th pick: Chinanu Onuaku   - Send overseas

I see a slight problem with your assessment on Murray.

Devin Booker is 6'6" with shoes and has a 6'8" wingspan and 8'6" standing reach.  Overall, he has pretty optimal size for the SG spot.

Klay Thompson is 6'7" with shoes with a 6'9" wingspan and 8'7" standing reach - elite size for the SG spot, and solid size for even the SF spot.

For both of those guys, their size helps to make up for their lack of elite athleticism.

Jamal Murray is 6'4" in shoes with a 6'6" wingspan and an 8'1" standing reach.  He's got good size for a PG but doesn't have the skills (passing, ball handling) to play that position.  He's got poor size for a SG which would be OK if he made up for it with above average athleticism - but he doesn't. 

With Murray's lack of athleticism, lack of lateral quickness, lack of passing/dribbling skills and lack of outright size...I see absolutely nothing to indicate that he has the potential to be anything more then JJ Reddick 2.0 - Reddick is a nice player if you're picking in the 8-12 range, but not at #3.

If Murray had the size of Booker or Thompson, then I'd be perfectly cool with that pick.  But when has a player with Murray's size, length, athleticism, passing ability and ball handling skills (or lack thereof) ever become a star in the NBA?  Has it ever happened in the past 20 years? 

I can't think of a single guy.

Far as I can see Murray has "BUST" written all over him.  I'm sure he'll be a productive player, but I think the probability of him ever becoming a star is pretty darn slim.  A "safe" pick if I ever saw one.

Oh and before anybody says it yes, I do know he's 19.  I don't care.  I won't even begin to count through the list of 18/19 year old players who came out of college touted as bright prospects who never got anywhere.

Hell Murray might actually be THE highest risk of busting of all the guys projected to go top 7.  I don't like Bender because of his high risk level but at least he has shown the promise of being able to contribute on both ends of the floor, and at least his physical limitation (muscle/bulk) is something the he could potentially improve.  Murray isn't going to grow, his arms aren't going to get longer, and he's not going to become an explosive athlete - his physical limitations are things that will not change.

I think Bender, Hield, Dunn, Brown all have significantly lower risk of busting then Murray AND a significantly higher ceiling too.  Wouldn't be surprised of Murray slides in the draft, much like Winslow did last year (I saw that coming). 

[Tr1boy]

3rd pick: Jamal Murray

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MB0vHLKuh6k

And after what GSW did to beat Cavs (raining 3 pt shooting) but also vice versa (Cavs only win) 3 pt shooting/shooters is more and more becoming a premium

Murray is one of the 3 best shooters of this draft. No question.  He is strong for his age, underrated explosiveness, underrated scorer (other than shooter) and overall a good player with all star potential.

Think Devin Booker/Klay Thompson

Murray at 3 should mean James Young and/or RJ Hunter are likely gone. 

Guard depth will look like

AB/IT
Smart/Murray/Rozier


12th Pick: Domantas Sabonis (Trade 16, 35)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJYj65flIfw

Another problem the Celtics had last season was they didn't have that one reliable "rebounder".  Yes Amir, Sully did a good job at times and the team did an amazing job rebounding as a team but we saw some games, some moments, against the likes of Tristant Thompson etc.  that we sorely lacked that one reliable rebounder.   This is where Sabonis will step in (and replace Sullinger).  I compare Sabonis to Draymond Green.  Minus as good handles, shooting but is taller and has better interior scoring skills . Both are fiery competitors , able to guard multiple positions (versatility edge goes to Green),  high IQ,  high motor, very good rebounders and tough as nails.    Sabonis will fit right in with this group and contribute right away imo. 


Rest of the picks

23rd Pick: Luwawu - Draft and Stash

31st pick: Yabusele - Project with upside

45th pick: Ibeh - Send overseas

51st pick:  Danuel House - Send overseas

58th pick: Chinanu Onuaku   - Send overseas

I see a slight problem with your assessment on Murray.

Devin Booker is 6'6" with shoes and has a 6'8" wingspan and 8'6" standing reach.  Overall, he has pretty optimal size for the SG spot.

Klay Thompson is 6'7" with shoes with a 6'9" wingspan and 8'7" standing reach - elite size for the SG spot, and solid size for even the SF spot.

For both of those guys, their size helps to make up for their lack of elite athleticism.

Jamal Murray is 6'4" in shoes with a 6'6" wingspan and an 8'1" standing reach.  He's got good size for a PG but doesn't have the skills (passing, ball handling) to play that position.  He's got poor size for a SG which would be OK if he made up for it with above average athleticism - but he doesn't. 

With Murray's lack of athleticism, lack of lateral quickness, lack of passing/dribbling skills and lack of outright size...I see absolutely nothing to indicate that he has the potential to be anything more then JJ Reddick 2.0 - Reddick is a nice player if you're picking in the 8-12 range, but not at #3.

If Murray had the size of Booker or Thompson, then I'd be perfectly cool with that pick.  But when has a player with Murray's size, length, athleticism, passing ability and ball handling skills (or lack thereof) ever become a star in the NBA?  Has it ever happened in the past 20 years? 

I can't think of a single guy.

Far as I can see Murray has "BUST" written all over him.  I'm sure he'll be a productive player, but I think the probability of him ever becoming a star is pretty darn slim.  A "safe" pick if I ever saw one.

Oh and before anybody says it yes, I do know he's 19.  I don't care.  I won't even begin to count through the list of 18/19 year old players who came out of college touted as bright prospects who never got anywhere.

Hell Murray might actually be THE highest risk of busting of all the guys projected to go top 7.  I don't like Bender because of his high risk level but at least he has shown the promise of being able to contribute on both ends of the floor, and at least his physical limitation (muscle/bulk) is something the he could potentially improve.  Murray isn't going to grow, his arms aren't going to get longer, and he's not going to become an explosive athlete - his physical limitations are things that will not change.

I think Bender, Hield, Dunn, Brown all have significantly lower risk of busting then Murray AND a significantly higher ceiling too.  Wouldn't be surprised of Murray slides in the draft, much like Winslow did last year (I saw that coming).

I stated think of Booker/Thompson.  Not that he is exactly like either.   All have sneaky athleticism.  If you think Murray is not an "athlete" you couldn't be more wrong sir.   He can outjump both Booker and Thompson.   Click on the link above and tell me , he can't play above the rim

You know who else people said were going to have problems in the NBA due to lack of good wingspan -  Steph Curry, Steve Nash,  Chris Paul,  IT and the list is long

Murray if anything can do one thing at an elite level and that is shoot.  He has a quick release, can shoot off balance, and has long range.   If you get too close he is able to drive by you and score in a variety of ways.    But Murray is more than just a 3 pt specialist

Been contemplating these days which way the Celts will go at 3, but with 3 pt shooting considered a premium,  Celtics lacking shooters ,  CBS needing shooters to let his system "breathe" ,  I feel Murray is at the top of the list (if Ingram doesn't drop). 

[Tr1boy]

for those that think Murray lacks athleticism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHfJwm7tX_k


He is only 19 and has room to improve his conditioning. Become a quicker and even more explosive.   He has the strength part down.  Saw him finish through contact on several occasions last season

[chambers]

You know who else people said were going to have problems in the NBA due to lack of good wingspan -  Steph Curry, Steve Nash,  Chris Paul,  IT and the list is long

All those guys are point guards. Is Murrary going to play point or SG in the NBA?

Right now, Murray is a poor defender. All of the reasons that Crim listed are why there are serious concerns about his defensive ability at the next level when he has to guard NBA guards.

He's too slow to guard NBA PG's, and he's too slow/lacking length to guard NBA SG's.

Anyway those are the concerns that NBA GM's have about him right now. They fear he'll be a target of opposing offenses because of his poor defense. Lack of agility/lateral speed and lack of length on the defensive end.

There are also concerns about his ability to create separation against NBA athletes/length too.

I like Murray but I agree with Crim that he could be a huge bust, like Bender.

[Tr1boy]

I love the fiery spirit of both Murray and Sabonis

I know both are not "jump out of the gym" athletes.  But several Spurs/GSW players are proving you don't have to be , to be a fine player in the NBA. 

If anything motor, IQ and at least one top level skill , can help provide impact for your team

With Murray we be picking one of the best shooters of the draft

With Sabonis we be picking one of the best rebounders of the draft

and both also are strong (closer to nba ready), highly competitive and smart players.   

Last season we lacked an extra shooter/scorer (to makeup for the loss of AB and helpout IT) in the playoffs.  We lacked a reliable rebounder to grab those crucial defensive rebounds away from Horford/Milsap (super frustrating). 

Now add Murray/Sabonis in the picture

[Tr1boy]

You know who else people said were going to have problems in the NBA due to lack of good wingspan -  Steph Curry, Steve Nash,  Chris Paul,  IT and the list is long

All those guys are point guards. Is Murrary going to play point or SG in the NBA?

Right now, Murray is a poor defender. All of the reasons that Crim listed are why there are serious concerns about his defensive ability at the next level when he has to guard NBA guards.

He's too slow to guard NBA PG's, and he's too slow/lacking length to guard NBA SG's.

Anyway those are the concerns that NBA GM's have about him right now. They fear he'll be a target of opposing offenses because of his poor defense. Lack of agility/lateral speed and lack of length on the defensive end.

There are also concerns about his ability to create separation against NBA athletes/length too.

I like Murray but I agree with Crim that he could be a huge bust, like Bender.

Chambers you can nitpick about every player in this draft.  i don't know if it's a Celtics fan base complex or something, but you can't have the ideal/perfect prospect.  No such player exist in this draft

So we go with Brown. A heck of an athlete. But is not considered a reliable shooter.  Has tunnel vision and tries to do things on his own more often than not.  Will he fit under CBS system? I see Browns IQ level comparable to James Young.

So we go with Bender.  Has alot of flash. Height. Length.  Doesn't do one thing at a high level.  Is ways away physically to be able to even guard Draymond Green (who gives up 7 inches in height ).   

so we go with X, Y, Z  etc.

Murray has an elite skill we can all agree with , and that is shooting.   And he can score the ball.  Yes he is not great at 1 on 1s but does that really matter under CBS system (picks after picks, plays after plays anyways).   Murray will understand ways to get free /open/decoy  how AB has been used.  Defensively , he is no marcus smart but should fit in (team defense)

 

[Sixth Man]

I love the fiery spirit of both Murray and Sabonis

I know both are not "jump out of the gym" athletes.  But several Spurs/GSW players are proving you don't have to be , to be a fine player in the NBA. 

If anything motor, IQ and at least one top level skill , can help provide impact for your team

With Murray we be picking one of the best shooters of the draft

With Sabonis we be picking one of the best rebounders of the draft

and both also are strong (closer to nba ready), highly competitive and smart players.   

Last season we lacked an extra shooter/scorer (to makeup for the loss of AB and helpout IT) in the playoffs.  We lacked a reliable rebounder to grab those crucial defensive rebounds away from Horford/Milsap (super frustrating). 

Now add Murray/Sabonis in the picture

Murray and Sabonis would be a fantastic haul at 3 and 16.  However, I think we would need to trade up a few picks from 16 to nab Sabs. 

[Tr1boy]

I love the fiery spirit of both Murray and Sabonis

I know both are not "jump out of the gym" athletes.  But several Spurs/GSW players are proving you don't have to be , to be a fine player in the NBA. 

If anything motor, IQ and at least one top level skill , can help provide impact for your team

With Murray we be picking one of the best shooters of the draft

With Sabonis we be picking one of the best rebounders of the draft

and both also are strong (closer to nba ready), highly competitive and smart players.   

Last season we lacked an extra shooter/scorer (to makeup for the loss of AB and helpout IT) in the playoffs.  We lacked a reliable rebounder to grab those crucial defensive rebounds away from Horford/Milsap (super frustrating). 

Now add Murray/Sabonis in the picture

Murray and Sabonis would be a fantastic haul at 3 and 16.  However, I think we would need to trade up a few picks from 16 to nab Sabs.

Yes. And that is why I propose trading the 16 and 35 for the 12th pick

[Eddie20]

Comparing Sabonis to Green, a player that he doesn't resemble at all, and then topping that off with this gem, "able to guard multiple positions". That's funny because that's one of Sabonis' biggest weaknesses. He doesn't have the quickness to defend quick 4's, doesn't have the the size or athletic ability to defend the basket as a 5, and will struggle at either spot when put in space in PNR. Unless that was a typo and you meant "UNLIKE Draymond he's UNABLE to guard multiple positions"

[aingeforthree]

I don't see Sabonis high on the draft board. Murray, for sure. I see some small forward ahead of Sabonis.