Would you trade #3 for Jusuf Nurkic?

[PhoSita]

LB, This proposal is so dumb, and I know you are not dumb, so I can only think you did this to provoke anxiety for all other Celtic fans who have a more reasoned view than you and Pelton on the value of the 3rd pick in this draft.  Nice job.

And absolutely none of that should surprise any of us. It's a time honored Celtics blog tradition by now.

Ive heard some smart people say that Brooklyn will win 50 games this year. Thats all Im saying, and the #3 pick this year is approximately as valuable as pick 45 in a typical draft. Again, this is just what Im hearing from experts. Would be pretty dissapointed if it turns out that way.

LOL that's pretty good

[Kane3387]

No

[footey]

I wouldn't mind Nurkic, but wouldn't trade 3 straight up for him.  Though I would love exploring options where we downgrade the pick and pick up a player in the process, of which Denver makes a lot of sense since they own multiple picks. 

Nurkic, Gallinari, 7

for

Johnson, Olynyk, 3

Something like that makes some sense for both teams.

Considering all factors, injury history, etc...that deal is pretty balanced.  Good one.

That trade doesn't make any sense.  Gallo is valuable by himself.  Amir and oly don't really have much trade value. Based on comments from Stevens (considering 7 guys at #3), it sounds like #3 and #7 are basically interchangeable.  So more or less this trade has us getting nurkic and gallo for free.  Based on pelton's logic we'd need to include #16 and both future Brooklyn picks for this trade to even out.

I think that is true, based upon your astute ability to predict where the Brooklyn picks will land. I think you had them a play-off team this year, per Eddie's footer, and I guess you project them winning the NBA championship for the next 3 seasons, so sure, that is a sound idea, LB.

[CroCorvus]

Hope you are not serious...

[celticsclay]

LB, This proposal is so dumb, and I know you are not dumb, so I can only think you did this to provoke anxiety for all other Celtic fans who have a more reasoned view than you and Pelton on the value of the 3rd pick in this draft.  Nice job.

And absolutely none of that should surprise any of us. It's a time honored Celtics blog tradition by now.

Ive heard some smart people say that Brooklyn will win 50 games this year. Thats all Im saying, and the #3 pick this year is approximately as valuable as pick 45 in a typical draft. Again, this is just what Im hearing from experts. Would be pretty dissapointed if it turns out that way.

LOL that's pretty good

Nailed it

[Moranis]

I wouldn't mind Nurkic, but wouldn't trade 3 straight up for him.  Though I would love exploring options where we downgrade the pick and pick up a player in the process, of which Denver makes a lot of sense since they own multiple picks. 

Nurkic, Gallinari, 7

for

Johnson, Olynyk, 3

Something like that makes some sense for both teams.

Considering all factors, injury history, etc...that deal is pretty balanced.  Good one.

That trade doesn't make any sense.  Gallo is valuable by himself.  Amir and oly don't really have much trade value. Based on comments from Stevens (considering 7 guys at #3), it sounds like #3 and #7 are basically interchangeable.  So more or less this trade has us getting nurkic and gallo for free.  Based on pelton's logic we'd need to include #16 and both future Brooklyn picks for this trade to even out.

when you consider injury history and contract size, that trade is much more reasonable then you are acknowledging. 

[Yoki_IsTheName]

Not straight up, but yes.

Tough, bruising big with enough mobility to be able to defend pick and rolls. And only turning 22 in the upcoming season, so there's a ton of room to improve.

There's some potential there to work with, but we need to get a little bit more for the #3 than just Jusuf Nurkic. Maybe the #3, #16 and #35 for Nurkic and #8.

[hpantazo]

I'm a huge Nurkic fan. I have posted several times about trading for him. With that said, even I think that using the best draft pick we have had in decades to acquire him is crazy. No thanks. He is not worth nearly that much.

[alewilliam789]

To be honest I'd rather just trade the 3rd for both Nurkic and Jokic. They play very well together and complement each other pretty well too because Jokic can step out and hit the 3 while Nurkic can defend and work on the block. Both are great passers and just have shown good chemstry together.
PG: Isaiah Thomas
SG: Avery Bradley
SF: Jae Crowder
PF: Nikola Jokic
C: Jusuf Nurkic
If we wanted a center like Nurkic then I'd honestly just trade down with Pheonix or Denver for extra picks and grab Peoltl. I think if you land Nurkic and Ellenson together you strike gold. I'd like to try to pair Bender and Nurkic up though because their games fit so perfectly with each other's.

[wiley]

I wouldn't mind Nurkic, but wouldn't trade 3 straight up for him.  Though I would love exploring options where we downgrade the pick and pick up a player in the process, of which Denver makes a lot of sense since they own multiple picks. 

Nurkic, Gallinari, 7

for

Johnson, Olynyk, 3

Something like that makes some sense for both teams.

That's a horrifying trade. Oh my goodness.

Not sure where the oh my goodness comes from, or the horrifying.  UNLESS:  you hate injury plagued guys even more than I do AND/OR you are in the Bender-or-bust camp.  Pick 7 isn't trash this year and the other parts of the deal tilt Celtics.  I would be very disappointed if the OP trade (Nurkic for 3 straight up) happened.  That might horrify and oh my goodness me (at least on draft night).

[PhoSita]

Amir and Olynyk are useful if flawed players.

I don't buy that the number three pick is equivalent to the seventh pick.

Nurkic and Gallo are big question marks to me due to their injury issues, plus the team they've been on is a bit of a statistical twilight zone for at least the last couple of years. Even when healthy, I don't see either as a real difference maker for the celts.

I'll let you do the math on why that would elicit an Oh my goodness from me in response to that trade proposal.

[LarBrd33]

LB, This proposal is so dumb, and I know you are not dumb, so I can only think you did this to provoke anxiety for all other Celtic fans who have a more reasoned view than you and Pelton on the value of the 3rd pick in this draft.  Nice job.

Whether or not Ford and Pelton are trolling Celtic fans is a valid question, but it seems to reflect their perception of this draft.  They think a (thus far) mediocre big man with injury problems is equal value for the #3 pick. 

Either Philly paid them off to write this... or we should start lowering our expectations significantly.

Don't blame me for Chad Ford and Kevin Pelton thinking this draft is weak.  I'm just curious if anyone would do their suggested trade.

[LarBrd33]

LB, This proposal is so dumb, and I know you are not dumb, so I can only think you did this to provoke anxiety for all other Celtic fans who have a more reasoned view than you and Pelton on the value of the 3rd pick in this draft.  Nice job.

And absolutely none of that should surprise any of us. It's a time honored Celtics blog tradition by now.

Ive heard some smart people say that Brooklyn will win 50 games this year. Thats all Im saying, and the #3 pick this year is approximately as valuable as pick 45 in a typical draft. Again, this is just what Im hearing from experts. Would be pretty dissapointed if it turns out that way.

LOL that's pretty good

Nailed it

Just to clarify, in case people have trouble reading around here, I had nothing to do with this idea.  Kevin Pelton said Boston should offer #3 for Nurkic, because it's reasonable value.   Direct your diaper-pants letters to ESPN.

And FYI, I never said Brooklyn would win 50 games.  That's nonsense.  I was 100% right in my evaluation of the Nets.  So that point is invalid.  NOt to mention, even if I had been wrong about Brooklyn, which I wasn't, it has jack squat to do with Kevin Pelton saying we should trade #3 for Jusuf Nurkic.  It's like me relaying that Muhammad Ali died and you saying, "I'm not surprised this is coming from LarBrd33... he likes Bismack Biyombo"

[LarBrd33]

I wouldn't mind Nurkic, but wouldn't trade 3 straight up for him.  Though I would love exploring options where we downgrade the pick and pick up a player in the process, of which Denver makes a lot of sense since they own multiple picks. 

Nurkic, Gallinari, 7

for

Johnson, Olynyk, 3

Something like that makes some sense for both teams.

Considering all factors, injury history, etc...that deal is pretty balanced.  Good one.

That trade doesn't make any sense.  Gallo is valuable by himself.  Amir and oly don't really have much trade value. Based on comments from Stevens (considering 7 guys at #3), it sounds like #3 and #7 are basically interchangeable.  So more or less this trade has us getting nurkic and gallo for free.  Based on pelton's logic we'd need to include #16 and both future Brooklyn picks for this trade to even out.

when you consider injury history and contract size, that trade is much more reasonable then you are acknowledging.

Are you assuming that Kevin Pelton is ignoring injury history and contract size?  My assumption is that he suggested we could trade #3 for Nurkic specifically because of injury history and contract size.  If those weren't a factor, such as the case with Nikola Jokic, Pelton suggests it would take "additional value" on top of the #3 pick to get him.

[Moranis]

I wouldn't mind Nurkic, but wouldn't trade 3 straight up for him.  Though I would love exploring options where we downgrade the pick and pick up a player in the process, of which Denver makes a lot of sense since they own multiple picks. 

Nurkic, Gallinari, 7

for

Johnson, Olynyk, 3

Something like that makes some sense for both teams.

Considering all factors, injury history, etc...that deal is pretty balanced.  Good one.

That trade doesn't make any sense.  Gallo is valuable by himself.  Amir and oly don't really have much trade value. Based on comments from Stevens (considering 7 guys at #3), it sounds like #3 and #7 are basically interchangeable.  So more or less this trade has us getting nurkic and gallo for free.  Based on pelton's logic we'd need to include #16 and both future Brooklyn picks for this trade to even out.

when you consider injury history and contract size, that trade is much more reasonable then you are acknowledging.

Are you assuming that Kevin Pelton is ignoring injury history and contract size?  My assumption is that he suggested we could trade #3 for Nurkic specifically because of injury history and contract size.  If those weren't a factor, such as the case with Nikola Jokic, Pelton suggests it would take "additional value" on top of the #3 pick to get him.

Or maybe Jokic is better than Nurkic.  Or maybe Pelton is just wrong on value.  Or maybe Gallinari is so injury prone and his contract is so big that Denver just wants to move on.  Or maybe Denver thinks much more highly of Bender than Boston does and thus puts way more value on that 3rd pick.  Or maybe Denver wants cap space so they will waive Johnson.  Or maybe Denver like Johnson and wants the veteran leadership he provides.  Or maybe Olynyk is a better fit with Jokic than Nurkic such that Denver values him.  Or countless other maybes that exist out there that you are ignoring.