Basketball Insiders consensus mock v5.0

[TheSundanceKid]

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/2016-nba-mock-draft-consensus-ver-5-0/

Interesting this week. This is the first consensus I remember with no Bender at 3.

Kennedy: Murray, Sabonis, Zubac

Brigham: Murray, Sabonis, Prince

Hamilton: Brown, Sabonis, Hernangomez

Kyler: Murray, Valentine, Zizic

Kyler in particular has some harsh words on Bender. Personally I think some of this is a reflection of the fact he hasn't had a chance to do workouts yet like the other candidates but it is worth noting.

Alex Kennedy's mock is the way I see Bender falling, if he does. If we do select Murray with the pick (or replace him with Brown) then with the rise of Chriss there could be a chain of events that lead to a big drop. Minnesota is between Dunn and Murray in my eyes, NO between Dunn and Hield. Basically if Chriss goes at 4 I can see Bender falling to 7 if we don't pick him.

Also interesting is the fall of Poeltl. We were just discussing him in another thread. Here he goes 10, 13, 9, 15. I feel we could quite easily move into that range. Grabbing Brown and Poeltl or Bender and Poeltl would be a really good haul in my eyes. It seems that Labissiere and Chriss will push him down a few spots

[droopdog7]

Kyler seems like a contrarian.  He has Skal Labissiere at #4, which says a lot.  And I wouldn't killed Bender.  He basically was going off what he heard.  Nothing at all about this actual ability.

[walker834]

That definately seems like a consensus mock.  I like Brown myself right now.  Valentine I don't know at 16.  His personality from what I saw from the combine he will be good but he's a king? Maybe a pacer? Good player though.  Sabonis and Valentine both have interesting personalities lol.

[Quetzalcoatl]

Kyler seems like a contrarian.  He has Skal Labissiere at #4, which says a lot.

His mock though has us getting Murray & Zizic which would make me so happy.  Valentine is a somehow worse version of Evan Turner from what I've seen, maybe if Stevens can start from scratch though he can make something out of him.  It would be worth it to draft him if it meant Evan Turner left.  I actually like him as a person, but man he kills me to watch.

[saltlover]

I stopped paying attention to Basketball Insiders mocks after a March 2015 one that I found idiotic, and my criicisms proved to be accurate three months later.

That three of them have Skal in the top 7 is absurd.  Kyler's is especially ridiculous.  Skal at 4. Taurean Prince at 9.  Poeltl down at 15.  Diamond Stone at 20, before Luwawu at 21.  I'm going to continue to ignore them.  Maybe they have sources for trade rumors, but I'm quite confident I could put together a better mock draft than these.

[LarBrd33]

Knowing next to nothing about College basketball and how various programs, competition, etc impact stats... just purely going off the numbers, my pick at #3 would have to be Jamal Murray. 

[PhoSita]

Knowing next to nothing about College basketball and how various programs, competition, etc impact stats... just purely going off the numbers, my pick at #3 would have to be Jamal Murray.

I think if we're resigned to getting a fairly one dimensional prospect at #3, instead of trying to get a guy who is likely to become the sort of player you hope to get in the top 3, Murray is probably the best choice.

My preference is to swing for the fences at 3 -- even if it's for a super raw guy like Chriss, God help us -- and try to pick up some future role players elsewhere in the 1st / early 2nd.

[LarBrd33]

Knowing next to nothing about College basketball and how various programs, competition, etc impact stats... just purely going off the numbers, my pick at #3 would have to be Jamal Murray.

I think if we're resigned to getting a fairly one dimensional prospect at #3, instead of trying to get a guy who is likely to become the sort of player you hope to get in the top 3, Murray is probably the best choice.

My preference is to swing for the fences at 3 -- even if it's for a super raw guy like Chriss, God help us -- and try to pick up some future role players elsewhere in the 1st / early 2nd.

Yeah I mean... I don't watch the game.  But Murray seems to have decent size (6'5, 207), averaged 20 points, 5 rebounds as a Freshman... and shot an impressive 45%/41%/78%.   Whoever Ainge picks, I'm sure will be someone they have confidence in.  If Murray is the guy they select after vetting all the prospects, I'll be pretty encouraged.  Instead of taking some guy who shot 41%/29%/60% and hoping he somehow develops a shot, or taking some Senior who was subpar for two years until he got old enough to bully younger guys, at least that Murray kid has a College career that can give you reasonable expectations he'll be an offensive weapon on the next level and is young enough to continue developing.   

[CelticSooner]

Knowing next to nothing about College basketball and how various programs, competition, etc impact stats... just purely going off the numbers, my pick at #3 would have to be Jamal Murray.

Listen to Kevin O' Connor's view on Murray and it might change your mind. I personally shy away from guys like Murray who are on the short end of the stick in terms of athleticism. Kinda of reminds me of Jamal Crawford.

39 minute mark

https://audioboom.com/boos/4626834-rainin-j-s-ep-37-draft-preview-with-kevin-o-connor?t=0

[TheSundanceKid]

I stopped paying attention to Basketball Insiders mocks after a March 2015 one that I found idiotic, and my criicisms proved to be accurate three months later.

That three of them have Skal in the top 7 is absurd.  Kyler's is especially ridiculous.  Skal at 4. Taurean Prince at 9.  Poeltl down at 15.  Diamond Stone at 20, before Luwawu at 21.  I'm going to continue to ignore them.  Maybe they have sources for trade rumors, but I'm quite confident I could put together a better mock draft than these.

No I completely understand that. Kyle and Kennedy tend to be the only ones with "insider info". The rest are fans who write essentially. I've always found Kylers mocks generally lag 2 or 3 weeks behind the top mocks like DX or Sam Vecinie. This one he does seem to go out on a limb a lot. There's a quote from him saying that after the top 2 it's a free for all. Maybe he's just trying to put out a chaotic mock to show that

[Csfan1984]

Those seem decent mocks other than the Brown one.

[NHCelticsFan]

I am growing to like both Murray and Brown at 3.  Brown just seems like a Danny Ainge type of player, and we could use the depth behind Crowder.  Brown's potential is very high, and the C's seem to me like a good team to help him reach it.  Great coach and lots of gritty defenders to learn from.  If Brown worked out the C's could roll out a small ball defensive lineup with Smart, Bradley, Brown, and Crowder at the 1-4.  I do like Bender as well though, and the more I see and read the more I want him at 3.

The pick I really want is Furkan Korkmaz at 16.  Maybe a draft and stash, but he could be worth it in a few years.  I am not sure he will be around at 16 but he would be my choice if available.

[Beat LA]

Grabbing Brown and Poeltl or Bender and Poeltl would be a really good haul in my eyes. It seems that Labissiere and Chriss will push him down a few spots

From what I've seen posted about him on here in regards to toughness (thank you nickagenta for the laugh), if that were to actually happen, it would probably be the first time that Skal has ever succeeded in moving/pushing anyone around .

[saltlover]

I'm practically apoplectic at where this set of four mocks has Skal.  Skal has worse college stats than Chriss, Davis, and Ellenson.  He doesn't rebound.  He doesn't shoot from long-range.  He blocks shots sometimes, but fouls at an alarming rate -- one every five minutes.  He was a complete disappointment in his one season in college.  He was also very old for a freshman.  He turned 20 in March.  That's the age of a sophomore, not a freshman.  He's 9 months older than Davis, 10 months older than Elenson, and 16 months older than Chriss. 

He doesn't have good reach for a big.  He's pretty lightweight.  His athleticism isn't special (31 inch vertical as a 19 year-old). He's someone who looked good playing kids 2 years younger than him on the AAU circuit a couple of years ago, but has very limited basketball skills.  That he is between 4-9 in all of these mocks is ludicrous.  (Heck, that he's #11 in draft express' mock also makes no sense).  He doesn't resemble an NBA-ready player, and at age 20, it's very difficult to see the upside.

I will be very annoyed if the Celtics pick him in the first round, and I will openly mock any team that picks him in the top 20.  Players who turn 21 during their rookie season should not be expected to spend time in the D-league if they're lottery picks. 

He's tall, but not exceptionally so for an NBA big.  That's it.

/rant

[PickNRoll]

Knowing next to nothing about College basketball and how various programs, competition, etc impact stats... just purely going off the numbers, my pick at #3 would have to be Jamal Murray.

Listen to Kevin O' Connor's view on Murray and it might change your mind. I personally shy away from guys like Murray who are on the short end of the stick in terms of athleticism. Kinda of reminds me of Jamal Crawford.

39 minute mark

https://audioboom.com/boos/4626834-rainin-j-s-ep-37-draft-preview-with-kevin-o-connor?t=0

I don't get hung up on it.  There are just too many examples where athleticism has been overvalued.

Josh Smith, amazing athlete.  Paul Pierce, mediocre.  Marcus Banks, amazing.  DJ, average.  There are just hundreds of such examples.  Any more I defer to the age old question, "can the guy play?".  Murray can play.  He's got a little of that silky, swervy game.  For being a middling athlete, he's pretty good at creating space.  He's a step ahead mentally, and he has great feel when the ball is in his hands.  Everything is natural for him.  Handles ball pressure well.  Skill level is very high.  Shoots well spotting up, off curls, or off the bounce.  He was probably born with a basketball in his hands.  I have no concerns about his athleticism.