Jamal Murray. 79/100 threes

[kozlodoev]

Hield isn't an elite NBA athlete, but he's a very good, well rounded athlete with some nice spring.

I still don't understand why people believe this is true. Everything I've seen about Hield shows that he uses what is practically a set shot -- and because he can't generate any lift, every attempt at going to the basket includes a lot of elusive maneuvering sideways.

This just isn't a good recipe for success in the NBA where players are bigger and more athletic, and defenses are more alert. Unless, of course, you're planning to be a Kyle Korver type and take 70% of your shots from three.

My friend I am not sure what Buddy H you watched but the kid does not have a "Push" shot - ala J Kidd - his shot form and lift are exactly like James Harden (who obviously doesn't have trouble getting shots off)   
Not saying that he will be a Harden (god I hope not) but I don't think he will have any problems finding his shot.. He has a super quick release(Curry) and plays with excellent offensive pace(Pierce)..   

I've watched the Buddy H that can't get off the ground to save his life. If you have any other Buddy H to show me, now would be a great time.

[PhoSita]

There are just so many guards in this draft. How sure are you taking Murray at three that he ends up a better overall player than Baldwin, Dunn, hield, Jackson, the other Murray, Richardson, etc?

Murray is a fantastic shooter but I dunno if he does anything else much better than anyone else in this draft, and I dunno how big a role he can play at the next level. He seems like a very safe pick in a vacuum, but very underwhelming at number three.

I'd rather take a flyer on a freak at three, even Chriss, and then take shots on role player type guards and wings with any of the half a million other picks the Celts have in this draft

[Eddie20]

Sam Vecenie-
Murray’s lateral movement is pretty rough at this stage. Maybe it gets better with work! But he’s not an elite prospect.

[ederson]

He does not play in a bad league or against bad competition.

May i ask how do you know this ??

[mmmmm]

There are just so many guards in this draft. How sure are you taking Murray at three that he ends up a better overall player than Baldwin, Dunn, hield, Jackson, the other Murray, Richardson, etc?

I think there is fairly reasonable chance that Furkan Korkmaz will end up the best of all these various shooting guards in this draft.  He's already a fantastic shooter and playmaker.  And the 3PT arc that he's been shooting from is the FIBA line, which is much closer to the NBA line than the NCAA baby arc.

He should be available with a pick somewhere in the 12-20 range.

[PhoSita]

There are just so many guards in this draft. How sure are you taking Murray at three that he ends up a better overall player than Baldwin, Dunn, hield, Jackson, the other Murray, Richardson, etc?

I think there is fairly reasonable chance that Furkan Korkmaz will end up the best of all these various shooting guards in this draft.  He's already a fantastic shooter and playmaker.  And the 3PT arc that he's been shooting from is the FIBA line, which is much closer to the NBA line than the NCAA baby arc.

He should be available with a pick somewhere in the 12-20 range.

Exactly.  If we're going to use a pick on a flawed guard with a decent starter / productive backup ceiling, wait and see who falls to 16, 23, or 31.  That's my preferred strategy.

Murray looks like a nice scorer and shooter.  I just don't like the idea of taking somebody without real two-way upside at #3.

[mmmmm]

There are just so many guards in this draft. How sure are you taking Murray at three that he ends up a better overall player than Baldwin, Dunn, hield, Jackson, the other Murray, Richardson, etc?

I think there is fairly reasonable chance that Furkan Korkmaz will end up the best of all these various shooting guards in this draft.  He's already a fantastic shooter and playmaker.  And the 3PT arc that he's been shooting from is the FIBA line, which is much closer to the NBA line than the NCAA baby arc.

He should be available with a pick somewhere in the 12-20 range.

Exactly.  If we're going to use a pick on a flawed guard with a decent starter / productive backup ceiling, wait and see who falls to 16, 23, or 31.  That's my preferred strategy.

Murray looks like a nice scorer and shooter.  I just don't like the idea of taking somebody without real two-way upside at #3.

Your last line pretty much completely correlates with my thinking on this draft.  I really would prefer that we take a player who has potential to be good on both ends of the floor with that high of a pick.

That's why I've leaned more towards Bender and Dunn and to a lesser extent Brown for that pick over Murray or Hield.

[kozlodoev]

There are just so many guards in this draft. How sure are you taking Murray at three that he ends up a better overall player than Baldwin, Dunn, hield, Jackson, the other Murray, Richardson, etc?

I think there is fairly reasonable chance that Furkan Korkmaz will end up the best of all these various shooting guards in this draft.  He's already a fantastic shooter and playmaker.  And the 3PT arc that he's been shooting from is the FIBA line, which is much closer to the NBA line than the NCAA baby arc.

He should be available with a pick somewhere in the 12-20 range.

Korkmaz is the same type of unproven that Bender is. Admittedly, the Turkish league is considerably stronger than the Israeli league, but his rate of production (4.2 ppg in 11.5 mpg) is even worse than Bender. Also, the 65% FT shooting is alarming (although that's probably a fluke).

If he's available at 23 and you need players to stash in Europe -- sure, take a flier. Higher than that, probably not worth the risk.

[TheSundanceKid]

There are just so many guards in this draft. How sure are you taking Murray at three that he ends up a better overall player than Baldwin, Dunn, hield, Jackson, the other Murray, Richardson, etc?

I think there is fairly reasonable chance that Furkan Korkmaz will end up the best of all these various shooting guards in this draft.  He's already a fantastic shooter and playmaker.  And the 3PT arc that he's been shooting from is the FIBA line, which is much closer to the NBA line than the NCAA baby arc.

He should be available with a pick somewhere in the 12-20 range.

Korkmaz is the same type of unproven that Bender is. Admittedly, the Turkish league is considerably stronger than the Israeli league, but his rate of production (4.2 ppg in 11.5 mpg) is even worse than Bender. Also, the 65% FT shooting is alarming (although that's probably a fluke).

If he's available at 23 and you need players to stash in Europe -- sure, take a flier. Higher than that, probably not worth the risk.

I'd take him at 16 over Maker though, which is the range the hype is propelling him too now. If Poeltl or Davis drops then I'd take them over Korkmaz, otherwise at 16 he's got to be the best option

[Evantime34]

There are just so many guards in this draft. How sure are you taking Murray at three that he ends up a better overall player than Baldwin, Dunn, hield, Jackson, the other Murray, Richardson, etc?

I think there is fairly reasonable chance that Furkan Korkmaz will end up the best of all these various shooting guards in this draft.  He's already a fantastic shooter and playmaker.  And the 3PT arc that he's been shooting from is the FIBA line, which is much closer to the NBA line than the NCAA baby arc.

He should be available with a pick somewhere in the 12-20 range.

Exactly.  If we're going to use a pick on a flawed guard with a decent starter / productive backup ceiling, wait and see who falls to 16, 23, or 31.  That's my preferred strategy.

Murray looks like a nice scorer and shooter.  I just don't like the idea of taking somebody without real two-way upside at #3.

If the C's pick him then they don't agree that he is a flawed guard with decent starter / productive backup ceiling. If they draft him, it will be because they view him as the best scorer in the draft.

I'm not willing to write off Murray's ability to defend in the NBA, especially if he's playing with another big ball handling guard (like Smart), having a 6'5 Murray guard smaller pgs could allow him to play good defense. With the basketball IQ he showed on offense I think you eventually see him become a very good help defender.

For me, the bottom line is, if he can be a top notch scorer I think he can learn to be a serviceable defender.

Murray is a guy who showed great production on the offensive end. The NBA is full of good scorers who got discounted due to size/athleticism but have a great knack for scoring. Murray reminds me of Paul Pierce in that he is a natural scorer who fell because he's not really flashy but ended up being a great scorer.