Jamal Murray. 79/100 threes

[Celtics4ever]

Bender (1997)                   29mpg 14ppg   10rpg   5 apg    33% 3p

3rd best in Croatia,  does not even make the leader board in Israel and they have guys who shoot three in the 50s.

Why don't you post these recent stats.

http://basket.co.il/PlayerPage.asp?PlayerNumber=03&TeamId=950&cYear=2016

Rank in league he is playing in now, sorry he is not top ten in any category.
Ranked # 86 on average points per game  5.4 PPG
Ranked # 76 on average rebounds per game 2.7  RPG
Ranked # 90 on average steals per game   0.6  SPG
Ranked # 110 on average turnovers per game   0.6  TO
Ranked # 15 on average blocks per game   .9  BPG
Rated # 11 in percent and 3     40.4%

http://basket.co.il/PlayerPage.asp?PlayerNumber=03&TeamId=950&cYear=2016&cView=7

How about those stats and you want to take this guy at three.   I have a few bridges on the moon, I will sell you on the cheap.   PM me   JK

Murray was impressive today.   Who knows how he will translate in the NBA though, scary, this two person draft, let us hope he is taken 1 or 2 and Ingram or Simmons falls to us, and saves us from the Bender lovers.

[Beat LA]

Is there a button I can press to report everyone in this thread to a moderator? I'm tired of you guys.

Hey!

[Beat LA]

There's a decent track-record of Kentucky players having their games translate well to the NBA, right? 

Admittedly knowing very little about college ball, I'm most intrigued by Murray of our options at #3.  I like kids that can shoot and Murray looks like he can already shoot.  I get that Hield can as well, but that dude is an old man.  I could sell myself on Murray's long-term potential for growth.

Every year we seem to take these bricklayers who can't make shots and hope they develop a shot.  I'm tired of that.  I'd rather take a shooter who can't defend and hope they can develop some defensive skills.

That really depends.  Outside from their top picks in Wall, Davis, and Towns, only Bledsoe, Cousins, and Booker have really made an impact in the league, even though Booker is still so young.  Would Noel count?  Probably, but I'm not so sure.

Anyway, these are all of the Kentucky players taken starting in 2010, by year, of course -

2010 - Wall, Cousins, Bledsoe, Patrick Patterson, and Daniel Orton.

2011 - Brandon Knight, Josh Harrellson, and Deandre Liggins.

2012 - Una Brau, MKG (I still can't believe that he went second), Terrence Jones, Marquis Teague, Doron Lamb, and Darius Miller.

2013 - Easter Island and Archie Goodwin.

2014 - Randle and Young (ugh).

2015 - Towns, WCS, Trey Lyles, Booker, and Dakari Johnson.

It's not the school - it's the player.

[GetLucky]

There's a decent track-record of Kentucky players having their games translate well to the NBA, right? 

Admittedly knowing very little about college ball, I'm most intrigued by Murray of our options at #3.  I like kids that can shoot and Murray looks like he can already shoot.  I get that Hield can as well, but that dude is an old man.  I could sell myself on Murray's long-term potential for growth.

Every year we seem to take these bricklayers who can't make shots and hope they develop a shot.  I'm tired of that.  I'd rather take a shooter who can't defend and hope they can develop some defensive skills.

That really depends.  Outside from their top picks in Wall, Davis, and Towns, only Bledsoe, Cousins, and Booker have really made an impact in the league, even though Booker is still so young.  Would Noel count?  Probably, but I'm not so sure.

Anyway, these are all of the Kentucky players taken starting in 2010, by year, of course -

2010 - Wall, Cousins, Bledsoe, Patrick Patterson, and Daniel Orton.

2011 - Brandon Knight, Josh Harrellson, and Deandre Liggins.

2012 - Una Brau, MKG (I still can't believe that he went second), Terrence Jones, Marquis Teague, Doron Lamb, and Darius Miller.

2013 - Easter Island and Archie Goodwin.

2014 - Randle and Young (ugh).

2015 - Towns, WCS, Trey Lyles, Booker, and Dakari Johnson.

It's not the school - it's the player.

Patterson, Knight, Cauley-Stein, and Randle all start. MKG was the incumbent starter for Charlotte before his injury this year. Terrance Jones also played significant minutes for the #2 seed Raptors.

Was there really a guy named Easter Island on Kentucky? I feel like I would have remembered that.

[Ilikesports17]

Enes kanter

[Beat LA]

There's a decent track-record of Kentucky players having their games translate well to the NBA, right? 

Admittedly knowing very little about college ball, I'm most intrigued by Murray of our options at #3.  I like kids that can shoot and Murray looks like he can already shoot.  I get that Hield can as well, but that dude is an old man.  I could sell myself on Murray's long-term potential for growth.

Every year we seem to take these bricklayers who can't make shots and hope they develop a shot.  I'm tired of that.  I'd rather take a shooter who can't defend and hope they can develop some defensive skills.

That really depends.  Outside from their top picks in Wall, Davis, and Towns, only Bledsoe, Cousins, and Booker have really made an impact in the league, even though Booker is still so young.  Would Noel count?  Probably, but I'm not so sure.

Anyway, these are all of the Kentucky players taken starting in 2010, by year, of course -

2010 - Wall, Cousins, Bledsoe, Patrick Patterson, and Daniel Orton.

2011 - Brandon Knight, Josh Harrellson, and Deandre Liggins.

2012 - Una Brau, MKG (I still can't believe that he went second), Terrence Jones, Marquis Teague, Doron Lamb, and Darius Miller.

2013 - Easter Island and Archie Goodwin.

2014 - Randle and Young (ugh).

2015 - Towns, WCS, Trey Lyles, Booker, and Dakari Johnson.

It's not the school - it's the player.

Patterson, Knight, Cauley-Stein, and Randle all start. MKG was the incumbent starter for Charlotte before his injury this year. Terrance Jones also played significant minutes for the #2 seed Raptors.

Was there really a guy named Easter Island on Kentucky? I feel like I would have remembered that.

Right, but none of those guys are stars, and Knight can't seem to stick with a team.  In regards to Easter Island, I'm referring to Nerlens Noel . 

[chiken Green]

Hield isn't an elite NBA athlete, but he's a very good, well rounded athlete with some nice spring.

I still don't understand why people believe this is true. Everything I've seen about Hield shows that he uses what is practically a set shot -- and because he can't generate any lift, every attempt at going to the basket includes a lot of elusive maneuvering sideways.

This just isn't a good recipe for success in the NBA where players are bigger and more athletic, and defenses are more alert. Unless, of course, you're planning to be a Kyle Korver type and take 70% of your shots from three.

My friend I am not sure what Buddy H you watched but the kid does not have a "Push" shot - ala J Kidd - his shot form and lift are exactly like James Harden (who obviously doesn't have trouble getting shots off)   
Not saying that he will be a Harden (god I hope not) but I don't think he will have any problems finding his shot.. He has a super quick release(Curry) and plays with excellent offensive pace(Pierce)..   

[Beat LA]

Enes kanter

True, but he never actually played a game for them due to ineligibility. 

[LooseCannon]

Hield isn't an elite NBA athlete, but he's a very good, well rounded athlete with some nice spring.

I still don't understand why people believe this is true. Everything I've seen about Hield shows that he uses what is practically a set shot -- and because he can't generate any lift, every attempt at going to the basket includes a lot of elusive maneuvering sideways.

This just isn't a good recipe for success in the NBA where players are bigger and more athletic, and defenses are more alert. Unless, of course, you're planning to be a Kyle Korver type and take 70% of your shots from three.

No lift?  Have you seen his put back jams or up and under layups? He's got very deceptive quickness and an ability to change speeds.
 His sidestepping isn't a huge part of his game but he uses it as anticipatory avoidance like Harden. He's the kind of player like Marcus Smart who doesn't have super speed, but has power and explosiveness when he needs to change gears- natural brute strengrh.

Again, not an elite NBA athlete, but a very good athlete with exceptional anticipation.

This is correct.  There's more than 1 way to create separation.

Who wants to compile a list of the last ~50 college freshman to score 20 a game?

I can give you the last 28.

[ederson]

Bender (1997)                   29mpg 14ppg   10rpg   5 apg    33% 3p

3rd best in Croatia,  does not even make the leader board in Israel and they have guys who shoot three in the 50s.

Why don't you post these recent stats.

http://basket.co.il/PlayerPage.asp?PlayerNumber=03&TeamId=950&cYear=2016

Rank in league he is playing in now, sorry he is not top ten in any category.
Ranked # 86 on average points per game  5.4 PPG
Ranked # 76 on average rebounds per game 2.7  RPG
Ranked # 90 on average steals per game   0.6  SPG
Ranked # 110 on average turnovers per game   0.6  TO
Ranked # 15 on average blocks per game   .9  BPG
Rated # 11 in percent and 3     40.4%

http://basket.co.il/PlayerPage.asp?PlayerNumber=03&TeamId=950&cYear=2016&cView=7

How about those stats and you want to take this guy at three.   I have a few bridges on the moon, I will sell you on the cheap.   PM me   JK

Murray was impressive today.   Who knows how he will translate in the NBA though, scary, this two person draft, let us hope he is taken 1 or 2 and Ingram or Simmons falls to us, and saves us from the Bender lovers.

You have got to be kidding.... Dou you guys read the posts before answering ?
mmmmm said in a post that he dominated the 2014 u18 tournament and i argued that he had a good tournament but far from dominated it. THAT WAS ALL

The last month i keep repeating that he is too risky pick ,he plays in a bad team in a bad league against bad opponents and still barely cracks the rotation and you are saying that i want to pick him 3rd ?!?!?!?!? Seriously ?

[TheSlipperyWhistle]

I am impressed by the shooting, but I still do not want him at 3. I think he will make a fine NBA shooter, but not much else. Which is why he did not play against competition in the workout. His defense is suspect, and I don't think he will have a great deal of success taking it to the rack against NBA competition. I understand he is young, but entering your prime doesn't give you elite athleticism, you are born with it, and he doesn't have it. If you are going to take this kid, why not take Chriss? Shoots at a great clip, AND has athletic upside. At first I thought it was an aberration that Chriss jumped into the top 5 in some mocks, but I understand the appeal.

[Smokeeye123]

Bender (1997)                   29mpg 14ppg   10rpg   5 apg    33% 3p

3rd best in Croatia,  does not even make the leader board in Israel and they have guys who shoot three in the 50s.

Why don't you post these recent stats.

http://basket.co.il/PlayerPage.asp?PlayerNumber=03&TeamId=950&cYear=2016

Rank in league he is playing in now, sorry he is not top ten in any category.
Ranked # 86 on average points per game  5.4 PPG
Ranked # 76 on average rebounds per game 2.7  RPG
Ranked # 90 on average steals per game   0.6  SPG
Ranked # 110 on average turnovers per game   0.6  TO
Ranked # 15 on average blocks per game   .9  BPG
Rated # 11 in percent and 3     40.4%

http://basket.co.il/PlayerPage.asp?PlayerNumber=03&TeamId=950&cYear=2016&cView=7

How about those stats and you want to take this guy at three.   I have a few bridges on the moon, I will sell you on the cheap.   PM me   JK

Murray was impressive today.   Who knows how he will translate in the NBA though, scary, this two person draft, let us hope he is taken 1 or 2 and Ingram or Simmons falls to us, and saves us from the Bender lovers.

You have got to be kidding.... Dou you guys read the posts before answering ?
mmmmm said in a post that he dominated the 2014 u18 tournament and i argued that he had a good tournament but far from dominated it. THAT WAS ALL

The last month i keep repeating that he is too risky pick ,he plays in a bad team in a bad league against bad opponents and still barely cracks the rotation and you are saying that i want to pick him 3rd ?!?!?!?!? Seriously ?

He does not play in a bad league or against bad competition. The league he's in now is against grown professionals in Israel. The reason he doesn't get playing time is because that is the norm for young players you ride the bench until you're old enough.

I actually want us to draft Jamal Murray but to imply Bender is some horrible scrub basically means you think Ainge is an idiot for spending so much time scouting him and all the reporters and insiders who rank him highly are too.

[Bobshot]

Seems like there's a half dozen guys they could take at the 3, each with strengths and weaknesses, all with a chance of making it or being a bust. It's a difficult choice. There are good arguments for each of them. It boils down to what Ainge and the people around him think. Ainge has enough experience to make an intelligent choice.

I do think if he picks a guard, it's a signal a trade is in the works involving a guard for a big.

[Evantime34]

Bill Simmons is in the Jamal Murray camp apparently.

@BillSimmons  8m8 minutes ago
If Celts stay put - think they should take Murray and just figure out a 3-guard offense. Whole league is drifting that way anyway.

[Mattybriand]

Bill Simmons is in the Jamal Murray camp apparently.

@BillSimmons  8m8 minutes ago
If Celts stay put - think they should take Murray and just figure out a 3-guard offense. Whole league is drifting that way anyway.

Yes!