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Re: Ford & Pelton - What do the C's do with their pick?
« Reply #75 on: June 07, 2016, 10:17:59 PM »

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I would trade #3 for Jokic in a heartbeat and I think the Nuggets would laugh us out of the room.  He is a stud

I would too, and yes, the Nuggets would laugh at that offer.

What am I missing? I admittedly did not watch too much of Denver this year, but I didn't really see anything special in Jokic. To me he looked like Vucevic 2.0, who is just as one-sided.
He came on late.  Check out his March/April splits.

10 points, 11 rebounds, 4 assists, 1.2 blocks... a PER of 21.6 for the year.  He shows a LOT of promise.  Highly skilled.
here we differ. two months of okay stats is not "LOT of promise" to me. nor is it worth the #3 pick in the draft.
I hear ya.  I'm not basing it on two months of "OK" stats.  First off, those stats are pretty darn* good for a big his age.  Second, I watch a lot of games and he's no joke.  He's crafty around the rim.  He plays smart.  He controls space and plays tough down low.  Good rebounder and way above average passer.  He has good range and great touch, plus he's an excellent FT shooter.

It's a small miracle if Bender ever becomes as good as Jokic
Didnt see a ton of Jokic but everything I haveseen and read has read along those lines, so Im not trying to disparage your assesment of him, I just think its a good rule to be very wary of stats guys put up the last month or two of the season on bottom 10 teams.
I don't blame ya.  2 months of stats IS worthless.  I'm basing my evaluation on decades of watching big guys trying to make it in the NBA.  Some guys have it, and Jokic is one of those guys.  He has a unique skill set and I expect him to be a starter for a long time, barring injury.  Not a star, but a very nice player.  Just one guy's opinion.

Re: Ford & Pelton - What do the C's do with their pick?
« Reply #76 on: June 07, 2016, 11:26:34 PM »

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This forum would lose its mind if the C's traded the #3 for Nurkic.

I would lose my mind if this happened:

The No. 3 pick, Isaiah Thomas and Jonas Jerebko for Jimmy Butler.


and in a bad way.
Not sure if that speaks more to how overrated Jimmy Butler is, how underrated Isaiah Thomas is... or how little anyone thinks of the projected role players available at #3.

In my view it's the overrating of Jimmy Butler.
I agree.  THe valuation of premium brand Ricky Davis is out of control.

Re: Ford & Pelton - What do the C's do with their pick?
« Reply #77 on: June 07, 2016, 11:36:32 PM »

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This forum would lose its mind if the C's traded the #3 for Nurkic.

I would lose my mind if this happened:

The No. 3 pick, Isaiah Thomas and Jonas Jerebko for Jimmy Butler.


and in a bad way.
Not sure if that speaks more to how overrated Jimmy Butler is, how underrated Isaiah Thomas is... or how little anyone thinks of the projected role players available at #3.

In my view it's the overrating of Jimmy Butler.
I agree.  THe valuation of premium brand Ricky Davis is out of control.

I love Jimmy Butler and I laughed when I read that proposal, way too much.

These idiots are just fairly clueless.
"We are lucky we have a very patient GM that isn't willing to settle for being good and coming close. He wants to win a championship and we have the potential to get there still with our roster and assets."

quoting 'Greg B' on RealGM after 2017 trade deadline.
Read that last line again. One more time.

Re: Ford & Pelton - What do the C's do with their pick?
« Reply #78 on: June 07, 2016, 11:46:15 PM »

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This forum would lose its mind if the C's traded the #3 for Nurkic.

I would lose my mind if this happened:

The No. 3 pick, Isaiah Thomas and Jonas Jerebko for Jimmy Butler.


and in a bad way.
Not sure if that speaks more to how overrated Jimmy Butler is, how underrated Isaiah Thomas is... or how little anyone thinks of the projected role players available at #3.

In my view it's the overrating of Jimmy Butler.
I agree.  THe valuation of premium brand Ricky Davis is out of control.

I love Jimmy Butler and I laughed when I read that proposal, way too much.

These idiots are just fairly clueless.
I must be missing something.  We're talking about picking up one of the best 2 way players in the entire league.  A couple years ago, we acquired IT for Marcus Thornton and a late first round pick!

Now you wouldn't trade IT and the #3 pick for, arguably, one of the top 10 players in the entire league?!  A go-to scorer who happens to be a near all-nba defender.  A guy who has a fanatic work ethic and is the best player on ~25 out of 30 nba teams?  Ricky Davis is a pimple on Butlers @ss.  If we do end up with Butler, we're giving up a lot more than this, and it's probably still a good deal.

Re: Ford & Pelton - What do the C's do with their pick?
« Reply #79 on: June 08, 2016, 12:11:44 AM »

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This forum would lose its mind if the C's traded the #3 for Nurkic.

I would lose my mind if this happened:

The No. 3 pick, Isaiah Thomas and Jonas Jerebko for Jimmy Butler.


and in a bad way.
Not sure if that speaks more to how overrated Jimmy Butler is, how underrated Isaiah Thomas is... or how little anyone thinks of the projected role players available at #3.

In my view it's the overrating of Jimmy Butler.
I agree.  THe valuation of premium brand Ricky Davis is out of control.

I love Jimmy Butler and I laughed when I read that proposal, way too much.

These idiots are just fairly clueless.
I must be missing something.  We're talking about picking up one of the best 2 way players in the entire league.  A couple years ago, we acquired IT for Marcus Thornton and a late first round pick!

Now you wouldn't trade IT and the #3 pick for, arguably, one of the top 10 players in the entire league?!  A go-to scorer who happens to be a near all-nba defender.  A guy who has a fanatic work ethic and is the best player on ~25 out of 30 nba teams?  Ricky Davis is a pimple on Butlers @ss.  If we do end up with Butler, we're giving up a lot more than this, and it's probably still a good deal.

I would give up the 3rd pick and Avery bradley+extra junk for Butler.
I wouldnt give up IT and the 3rd pick.
Regardless of what we got IT for, he's a top 25 NBA player on a role players salary for another 2 years-we need him here with Butler to give the Eastern Conference crown a real shot.

Only way I'd do this is if Durant promised to come on the acquisition of Butler because it's a massive overpay to throw IT in with #3. (Just my opinion).
"We are lucky we have a very patient GM that isn't willing to settle for being good and coming close. He wants to win a championship and we have the potential to get there still with our roster and assets."

quoting 'Greg B' on RealGM after 2017 trade deadline.
Read that last line again. One more time.

Re: Ford & Pelton - What do the C's do with their pick?
« Reply #80 on: June 08, 2016, 12:17:40 AM »

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This forum would lose its mind if the C's traded the #3 for Nurkic.

I would lose my mind if this happened:

The No. 3 pick, Isaiah Thomas and Jonas Jerebko for Jimmy Butler.


and in a bad way.
Not sure if that speaks more to how overrated Jimmy Butler is, how underrated Isaiah Thomas is... or how little anyone thinks of the projected role players available at #3.

In my view it's the overrating of Jimmy Butler.
I agree.  THe valuation of premium brand Ricky Davis is out of control.

I love Jimmy Butler and I laughed when I read that proposal, way too much.

These idiots are just fairly clueless.
I must be missing something.  We're talking about picking up one of the best 2 way players in the entire league.  A couple years ago, we acquired IT for Marcus Thornton and a late first round pick!

Now you wouldn't trade IT and the #3 pick for, arguably, one of the top 10 players in the entire league?!  A go-to scorer who happens to be a near all-nba defender.  A guy who has a fanatic work ethic and is the best player on ~25 out of 30 nba teams?  Ricky Davis is a pimple on Butlers @ss.  If we do end up with Butler, we're giving up a lot more than this, and it's probably still a good deal.

I would give up the 3rd pick and Avery bradley+extra junk for Butler.
I wouldnt give up IT and the 3rd pick.
Regardless of what we got IT for, he's a top 25 NBA player on a role players salary for another 2 years-we need him here with Butler to give the Eastern Conference crown a real shot.

Only way I'd do this is if Durant promised to come on the acquisition of Butler because it's a massive overpay to throw IT in with #3. (Just my opinion).
#3, IT and etc for a Butler....

IMO the better deal and value would be signing RFA Allen Crabbe for a 3/d shooting guard. Then do another trade with the #3 and Bradley for a legit CENTER because that is what is really gonna put us over the Cavs more than anything else IMO

Re: Ford & Pelton - What do the C's do with their pick?
« Reply #81 on: June 08, 2016, 12:29:34 AM »

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This forum would lose its mind if the C's traded the #3 for Nurkic.

I would lose my mind if this happened:

The No. 3 pick, Isaiah Thomas and Jonas Jerebko for Jimmy Butler.


and in a bad way.
Not sure if that speaks more to how overrated Jimmy Butler is, how underrated Isaiah Thomas is... or how little anyone thinks of the projected role players available at #3.

In my view it's the overrating of Jimmy Butler.
I agree.  THe valuation of premium brand Ricky Davis is out of control.

I love Jimmy Butler and I laughed when I read that proposal, way too much.

These idiots are just fairly clueless.
I must be missing something.  We're talking about picking up one of the best 2 way players in the entire league.  A couple years ago, we acquired IT for Marcus Thornton and a late first round pick!

Now you wouldn't trade IT and the #3 pick for, arguably, one of the top 10 players in the entire league?!  A go-to scorer who happens to be a near all-nba defender.  A guy who has a fanatic work ethic and is the best player on ~25 out of 30 nba teams?  Ricky Davis is a pimple on Butlers @ss.  If we do end up with Butler, we're giving up a lot more than this, and it's probably still a good deal.

I would give up the 3rd pick and Avery bradley+extra junk for Butler.
I wouldnt give up IT and the 3rd pick.
Regardless of what we got IT for, he's a top 25 NBA player on a role players salary for another 2 years-we need him here with Butler to give the Eastern Conference crown a real shot.

Only way I'd do this is if Durant promised to come on the acquisition of Butler because it's a massive overpay to throw IT in with #3. (Just my opinion).
#3, IT and etc for a Butler....

IMO the better deal and value would be signing RFA Allen Crabbe for a 3/d shooting guard. Then do another trade with the #3 and Bradley for a legit CENTER because that is what is really gonna put us over the Cavs more than anything else IMO

In this scenario, what kind of deal do you think you sign Crabbe to?

Despite the fact that I think he's a lesser player than Bradley, he very well may get a Bradley type deal this summer: something around 4 years, $32 mil.
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Re: Ford & Pelton - What do the C's do with their pick?
« Reply #82 on: June 08, 2016, 01:05:28 AM »

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This forum would lose its mind if the C's traded the #3 for Nurkic.

I would lose my mind if this happened:

The No. 3 pick, Isaiah Thomas and Jonas Jerebko for Jimmy Butler.


and in a bad way.
Not sure if that speaks more to how overrated Jimmy Butler is, how underrated Isaiah Thomas is... or how little anyone thinks of the projected role players available at #3.

In my view it's the overrating of Jimmy Butler.
I agree.  THe valuation of premium brand Ricky Davis is out of control.

I love Jimmy Butler and I laughed when I read that proposal, way too much.

These idiots are just fairly clueless.
I must be missing something.  We're talking about picking up one of the best 2 way players in the entire league.  A couple years ago, we acquired IT for Marcus Thornton and a late first round pick!

Now you wouldn't trade IT and the #3 pick for, arguably, one of the top 10 players in the entire league?!  A go-to scorer who happens to be a near all-nba defender.  A guy who has a fanatic work ethic and is the best player on ~25 out of 30 nba teams?  Ricky Davis is a pimple on Butlers @ss.  If we do end up with Butler, we're giving up a lot more than this, and it's probably still a good deal.

Ahaha, TP for the laugh ;D.

Re: Ford & Pelton - What do the C's do with their pick?
« Reply #83 on: June 08, 2016, 01:09:44 AM »

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This forum would lose its mind if the C's traded the #3 for Nurkic.

I would lose my mind if this happened:

The No. 3 pick, Isaiah Thomas and Jonas Jerebko for Jimmy Butler.


and in a bad way.
Not sure if that speaks more to how overrated Jimmy Butler is, how underrated Isaiah Thomas is... or how little anyone thinks of the projected role players available at #3.

In my view it's the overrating of Jimmy Butler.
I agree.  THe valuation of premium brand Ricky Davis is out of control.

I love Jimmy Butler and I laughed when I read that proposal, way too much.

These idiots are just fairly clueless.
I must be missing something.  We're talking about picking up one of the best 2 way players in the entire league.  A couple years ago, we acquired IT for Marcus Thornton and a late first round pick!

Now you wouldn't trade IT and the #3 pick for, arguably, one of the top 10 players in the entire league?!  A go-to scorer who happens to be a near all-nba defender.  A guy who has a fanatic work ethic and is the best player on ~25 out of 30 nba teams?  Ricky Davis is a pimple on Butlers @ss.  If we do end up with Butler, we're giving up a lot more than this, and it's probably still a good deal.

I would give up the 3rd pick and Avery bradley+extra junk for Butler.
I wouldnt give up IT and the 3rd pick.
Regardless of what we got IT for, he's a top 25 NBA player on a role players salary for another 2 years-we need him here with Butler to give the Eastern Conference crown a real shot.

Only way I'd do this is if Durant promised to come on the acquisition of Butler because it's a massive overpay to throw IT in with #3. (Just my opinion).

What about, if Phoenix wants Bender, trade 3 and IT for 4, 13, 28, and 34?  Or even just IT for 13, 28, and 34, or perhaps just 13 and 34?

Re: Ford & Pelton - What do the C's do with their pick?
« Reply #84 on: June 08, 2016, 01:17:59 AM »

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This forum would lose its mind if the C's traded the #3 for Nurkic.

I would lose my mind if this happened:

The No. 3 pick, Isaiah Thomas and Jonas Jerebko for Jimmy Butler.


and in a bad way.
Not sure if that speaks more to how overrated Jimmy Butler is, how underrated Isaiah Thomas is... or how little anyone thinks of the projected role players available at #3.

In my view it's the overrating of Jimmy Butler.
I agree.  THe valuation of premium brand Ricky Davis is out of control.

I love Jimmy Butler and I laughed when I read that proposal, way too much.

These idiots are just fairly clueless.
I must be missing something.  We're talking about picking up one of the best 2 way players in the entire league.  A couple years ago, we acquired IT for Marcus Thornton and a late first round pick!

Now you wouldn't trade IT and the #3 pick for, arguably, one of the top 10 players in the entire league?!  A go-to scorer who happens to be a near all-nba defender.  A guy who has a fanatic work ethic and is the best player on ~25 out of 30 nba teams?  Ricky Davis is a pimple on Butlers @ss.  If we do end up with Butler, we're giving up a lot more than this, and it's probably still a good deal.

I would give up the 3rd pick and Avery bradley+extra junk for Butler.
I wouldnt give up IT and the 3rd pick.
Regardless of what we got IT for, he's a top 25 NBA player on a role players salary for another 2 years-we need him here with Butler to give the Eastern Conference crown a real shot.

Only way I'd do this is if Durant promised to come on the acquisition of Butler because it's a massive overpay to throw IT in with #3. (Just my opinion).

What about, if Phoenix wants Bender, trade 3 and IT for 4, 13, 28, and 34?  Or even just IT for 13, 28, and 34, or perhaps just 13 and 34?

Our best player for picks that will likely not produce a starter?

Everyone on here seems to be forgetting that the ONLY two good picks we've made since the formation of the Big Three are Bradley and Smart.

Most NBA draft picks produce nothing. This is not the NFL draft.

Re: Ford & Pelton - What do the C's do with their pick?
« Reply #85 on: June 08, 2016, 01:22:33 AM »

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This forum would lose its mind if the C's traded the #3 for Nurkic.

I would lose my mind if this happened:

The No. 3 pick, Isaiah Thomas and Jonas Jerebko for Jimmy Butler.


and in a bad way.
Not sure if that speaks more to how overrated Jimmy Butler is, how underrated Isaiah Thomas is... or how little anyone thinks of the projected role players available at #3.

In my view it's the overrating of Jimmy Butler.
I agree.  THe valuation of premium brand Ricky Davis is out of control.

I love Jimmy Butler and I laughed when I read that proposal, way too much.

These idiots are just fairly clueless.
I must be missing something.  We're talking about picking up one of the best 2 way players in the entire league.  A couple years ago, we acquired IT for Marcus Thornton and a late first round pick!

Now you wouldn't trade IT and the #3 pick for, arguably, one of the top 10 players in the entire league?!  A go-to scorer who happens to be a near all-nba defender.  A guy who has a fanatic work ethic and is the best player on ~25 out of 30 nba teams?  Ricky Davis is a pimple on Butlers @ss.  If we do end up with Butler, we're giving up a lot more than this, and it's probably still a good deal.

I would give up the 3rd pick and Avery bradley+extra junk for Butler.
I wouldnt give up IT and the 3rd pick.
Regardless of what we got IT for, he's a top 25 NBA player on a role players salary for another 2 years-we need him here with Butler to give the Eastern Conference crown a real shot.

Only way I'd do this is if Durant promised to come on the acquisition of Butler because it's a massive overpay to throw IT in with #3. (Just my opinion).

What about, if Phoenix wants Bender, trade 3 and IT for 4, 13, 28, and 34?  Or even just IT for 13, 28, and 34, or perhaps just 13 and 34?
I think IT is worth at least a top 5-8 pick and extras.
But naw, not enough in return for me.

Would be funny if IT went back to Phoenix with the guard rotation.
"We are lucky we have a very patient GM that isn't willing to settle for being good and coming close. He wants to win a championship and we have the potential to get there still with our roster and assets."

quoting 'Greg B' on RealGM after 2017 trade deadline.
Read that last line again. One more time.

Re: Ford & Pelton - What do the C's do with their pick?
« Reply #86 on: June 08, 2016, 02:36:35 AM »

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This forum would lose its mind if the C's traded the #3 for Nurkic.

I would lose my mind if this happened:

The No. 3 pick, Isaiah Thomas and Jonas Jerebko for Jimmy Butler.


and in a bad way.
Not sure if that speaks more to how overrated Jimmy Butler is, how underrated Isaiah Thomas is... or how little anyone thinks of the projected role players available at #3.

In my view it's the overrating of Jimmy Butler.
I agree.  THe valuation of premium brand Ricky Davis is out of control.

I love Jimmy Butler and I laughed when I read that proposal, way too much.

These idiots are just fairly clueless.
I must be missing something.  We're talking about picking up one of the best 2 way players in the entire league.  A couple years ago, we acquired IT for Marcus Thornton and a late first round pick!

Now you wouldn't trade IT and the #3 pick for, arguably, one of the top 10 players in the entire league?!  A go-to scorer who happens to be a near all-nba defender.  A guy who has a fanatic work ethic and is the best player on ~25 out of 30 nba teams?  Ricky Davis is a pimple on Butlers @ss.  If we do end up with Butler, we're giving up a lot more than this, and it's probably still a good deal.

I would give up the 3rd pick and Avery bradley+extra junk for Butler.
I wouldnt give up IT and the 3rd pick.
Regardless of what we got IT for, he's a top 25 NBA player on a role players salary for another 2 years-we need him here with Butler to give the Eastern Conference crown a real shot.

Only way I'd do this is if Durant promised to come on the acquisition of Butler because it's a massive overpay to throw IT in with #3. (Just my opinion).

What about, if Phoenix wants Bender, trade 3 and IT for 4, 13, 28, and 34?  Or even just IT for 13, 28, and 34, or perhaps just 13 and 34?

Good lord no!!!

We already have #3, which we can use to draft absolutely any player we want after the 76ers and Lakers select. 

Why would you trade down from #3 to #4 and in addition to that also give up Thomas (an All-Star and a top 10-15 scorer in the NBA, who is only 25, on a cost controlled contract) when all you get in return is #13, #28 and #34?

If you're going to trade down then you'd do something like:

#3 + #23 + #31 + #35 for #4 + #13

That would give us #4, #13, #16, #45, #51  - that would be a trade worth making, and Phoenix might consider it if they are REALLY high on Bender.

If you were going to consider trading IT then it would be something like:

IT + #16 + #35 for #4 + #13

That would give us  #3, #4, #13, #23, #31 - I don't think I'd do that myself, but if you wanted to rebuild with you you'd make that trade and try to get something like Dunn (to replace IT), Bender and Sabonis.

But trading #3 and Thomas when the two best assets you get back are #4 and #16 - that's grand larceny.   
 

Re: Ford & Pelton - What do the C's do with their pick?
« Reply #87 on: June 08, 2016, 02:54:52 AM »

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And what trading IT does that make us? Enemy number 1 for free agents.
Unless IT ask for a trade, you are shooting yourself in the foot by trading him.

Re: Ford & Pelton - What do the C's do with their pick?
« Reply #88 on: June 08, 2016, 04:10:13 AM »

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This forum would lose its mind if the C's traded the #3 for Nurkic.

I would lose my mind if this happened:

The No. 3 pick, Isaiah Thomas and Jonas Jerebko for Jimmy Butler.


and in a bad way.
Not sure if that speaks more to how overrated Jimmy Butler is, how underrated Isaiah Thomas is... or how little anyone thinks of the projected role players available at #3.

In my view it's the overrating of Jimmy Butler.
I agree.  THe valuation of premium brand Ricky Davis is out of control.

I love Jimmy Butler and I laughed when I read that proposal, way too much.

These idiots are just fairly clueless.
I must be missing something.  We're talking about picking up one of the best 2 way players in the entire league.  A couple years ago, we acquired IT for Marcus Thornton and a late first round pick!

Now you wouldn't trade IT and the #3 pick for, arguably, one of the top 10 players in the entire league?!  A go-to scorer who happens to be a near all-nba defender.  A guy who has a fanatic work ethic and is the best player on ~25 out of 30 nba teams?  Ricky Davis is a pimple on Butlers @ss.  If we do end up with Butler, we're giving up a lot more than this, and it's probably still a good deal.

I would give up the 3rd pick and Avery bradley+extra junk for Butler.
I wouldnt give up IT and the 3rd pick.
Regardless of what we got IT for, he's a top 25 NBA player on a role players salary for another 2 years-we need him here with Butler to give the Eastern Conference crown a real shot.

Only way I'd do this is if Durant promised to come on the acquisition of Butler because it's a massive overpay to throw IT in with #3. (Just my opinion).

What about, if Phoenix wants Bender, trade 3 and IT for 4, 13, 28, and 34?  Or even just IT for 13, 28, and 34, or perhaps just 13 and 34?

Good lord no!!!

We already have #3, which we can use to draft absolutely any player we want after the 76ers and Lakers select. 

Why would you trade down from #3 to #4 and in addition to that also give up Thomas (an All-Star and a top 10-15 scorer in the NBA, who is only 25, on a cost controlled contract) when all you get in return is #13, #28 and #34?

If you're going to trade down then you'd do something like:

#3 + #23 + #31 + #35 for #4 + #13

That would give us #4, #13, #16, #45, #51  - that would be a trade worth making, and Phoenix might consider it if they are REALLY high on Bender.

If you were going to consider trading IT then it would be something like:

IT + #16 + #35 for #4 + #13

That would give us  #3, #4, #13, #23, #31 - I don't think I'd do that myself, but if you wanted to rebuild with you you'd make that trade and try to get something like Dunn (to replace IT), Bender and Sabonis.

But trading #3 and Thomas when the two best assets you get back are #4 and #16 - that's grand larceny.   
 

Okay, okay, geez ;D. That's why I added a couple of variations.  No way am I giving up 23, 31, and 35, though.  Why not just go for the nuclear option ;D and trade everybody for picks (for the most part)?   

Re: Ford & Pelton - What do the C's do with their pick?
« Reply #89 on: June 08, 2016, 04:54:24 AM »

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I like the idea of trading #3 and #23 for #4 and #13. Now that gives us #4 + #13 + #16. That's a trade I like and won't have to draft Bender, assuming the Suns draft Bender. Then it would be worth drafting Murray, Chriss, Brown, Heild at #4 and we could grab two values at 13 n 16.
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