Ford & Pelton - What do the C's do with their pick?

[PhoSita]

TP.....sad but realistic options for the C's

They are only realistic options if we feel like getting fleeced. Both the Denver trade proposal and the Chicago proposal are awful.

Pelton instantly lost all credibility with me when I read #3 for Nurkic straight up... Might be one of the worst trade proposals I've ever read

For real.

I guess it sums up how they see this draft.

To Nurkic's credit, he got a lot of buzz his rookie season.  He was seen as one of the best young players in the draft. 

And I guess that backs up my theory that the #3 pick in this draft is seen as being on the same tier as the 10-16th pick was seen in 2014.  Quality players that should develop into starters, but have no star potential. 

Looking forward to Chad Ford's Draft Tier article.   His suggestion that Boston should give up #3, #16, Jerebko AND Isaiah Thomas for Jimmy Butler probably gives you a hint in what he's hearing from scouts/front offices.   If he sees the upgrade from all-star Thomas to all-star Butler requiring the #3 pick... that's interesting.   Neither is a superstar.

Even in a relatively weak draft, taking a shot in the dark in the top 10 has got to be better than adding an injury prone, raw center who is 280 pounds and seven feet tall but only managed to shoot about 45% from the field in the first 90 or so games of his career (which is all he's been able to play through two seasons).

[max215]

I would trade #3 for Jokic in a heartbeat and I think the Nuggets would laugh us out of the room.  He is a stud

I would too, and yes, the Nuggets would laugh at that offer.

[PickNRoll]

Pelton and Ford are complete tools, but IT and 3 for Butler is perfectly good, discounting the bad PR.  From a basketball perspective, that's a no brainer.

Nurkic for 3 is a joke.  Nurkic for 16 is closer.  Jokic is more interesting.

[jpotter33]

I would trade #3 for Jokic in a heartbeat and I think the Nuggets would laugh us out of the room.  He is a stud

I would too, and yes, the Nuggets would laugh at that offer.

What am I missing? I admittedly did not watch too much of Denver this year, but I didn't really see anything special in Jokic. To me he looked like Vucevic 2.0, who is just as one-sided.

[PickNRoll]

I would trade #3 for Jokic in a heartbeat and I think the Nuggets would laugh us out of the room.  He is a stud

I would too, and yes, the Nuggets would laugh at that offer.

What am I missing? I admittedly did not watch too much of Denver this year, but I didn't really see anything special in Jokic. To me he looked like Vucevic 2.0, who is just as one-sided.

He came on late.  Check out his March/April splits.

10 points, 11 rebounds, 4 assists, 1.2 blocks... a PER of 21.6 for the year.  He shows a LOT of promise.  Highly skilled.

[hwangjini_1]

Those two like Bender. Enough said.

*click*

gee. you dont like bender. who would have thought? 

[PhoSita]

I would trade #3 for Jokic in a heartbeat and I think the Nuggets would laugh us out of the room.  He is a stud

I would too, and yes, the Nuggets would laugh at that offer.

What am I missing? I admittedly did not watch too much of Denver this year, but I didn't really see anything special in Jokic. To me he looked like Vucevic 2.0, who is just as one-sided.

He's twenty years old, tall, plays both big spots, can hit threes, run the break, and pass. Basically your prototypical new age big, and he was highly regarded in Europe from what I understand.

[PhoSita]

https://youtu.be/pCVN4r4pTbk

Basically, you didn't hear about him because he was in Denver.

[hwangjini_1]

I would trade #3 for Jokic in a heartbeat and I think the Nuggets would laugh us out of the room.  He is a stud

I would too, and yes, the Nuggets would laugh at that offer.

What am I missing? I admittedly did not watch too much of Denver this year, but I didn't really see anything special in Jokic. To me he looked like Vucevic 2.0, who is just as one-sided.

He came on late.  Check out his March/April splits.

10 points, 11 rebounds, 4 assists, 1.2 blocks... a PER of 21.6 for the year.  He shows a LOT of promise.  Highly skilled.

here we differ. two months of okay stats is not "LOT of promise" to me. nor is it worth the #3 pick in the draft.

[PickNRoll]

https://youtu.be/pCVN4r4pTbk

Basically, you didn't hear about him because he was in Denver.

And he's tough and competitive, unlike Nurkic.

[PickNRoll]

I would trade #3 for Jokic in a heartbeat and I think the Nuggets would laugh us out of the room.  He is a stud

I would too, and yes, the Nuggets would laugh at that offer.

What am I missing? I admittedly did not watch too much of Denver this year, but I didn't really see anything special in Jokic. To me he looked like Vucevic 2.0, who is just as one-sided.

He came on late.  Check out his March/April splits.

10 points, 11 rebounds, 4 assists, 1.2 blocks... a PER of 21.6 for the year.  He shows a LOT of promise.  Highly skilled.

here we differ. two months of okay stats is not "LOT of promise" to me. nor is it worth the #3 pick in the draft.

I hear ya.  I'm not basing it on two months of "OK" stats.  First off, those stats are pretty darn* good for a big his age.  Second, I watch a lot of games and he's no joke.  He's crafty around the rim.  He plays smart.  He controls space and plays tough down low.  Good rebounder and way above average passer.  He has good range and great touch, plus he's an excellent FT shooter.

It's a small miracle if Bender ever becomes as good as Jokic

[esel1000]

Forget these ridiculous ideas... the more I think about it the more I think a trade down with a team like the Suns or Wolves is inevitable. You get the guy you want a couple spots lower and pick up assets. For example, find what guy the Suns want (Bender?)... draft him at 3. Trade 3 and 23 for 4 and 13. Trade 13 and 16 for top 10. Grab the guy you want at 4 (Brown/Murray?) and Poeltl.

Or get Dieng/Muhammad and 5 for 3 (Dunn?). Get the guy you want at 4 (Brown/Murray?) DA is in the driver's seat... he'll be smart and make a trade like that by forcing a team's hand with the 3rd pick, not trading it for Nurkic lol

[PickNRoll]

Forget these ridiculous ideas... the more I think about it the more I think a trade down with a team like the Suns or Wolves is inevitable. You get the guy you want a couple spots lower and pick up assets. Find what guy they want... draft him at 3. Trade 3 and 23 for 4 and 13. Trade 13 and 16 for top 10. Grab the guy you want at 4 and Poetl.

Or get Dieng/Muhammad and 5 for 3. Get the guy you want at 4. DA is in the driver's seat... he'll be smart and make a trade like that by forcing a team's hand with the 3rd pick, not trading it for Nurkic lol

Agree.  3 and 23 for 4 and 13 sounds sweet.

[Beat LA]

What should Boston do with its seven other picks?

Ford: The Celtics have the 16th, 23rd, 31st, 35th, 45th, 51st and 58th picks. Picks 16, 23, 31 and 35, in particular, represent potential rotation players, but the Celtics already have a roster of rotation players -- and enough cap space this summer to fill out remaining holes. And as Celtics director of player personnel Austin Ainge joked on Monday, the last thing in the world that Boston coach Brad Stevens wants is eight more rookies.

Even if those eight players were better than the ones on our current roster?

What about the Celtics' other two first-round picks?

Ford: Boston holds the No. 16 and No. 23 picks, as mentioned.

I'd use one of them on a young player with upside whom they could develop in the D-League. Thon Maker and Cheick Diallo both come to mind. Skal Labissiere is another strong candidate if he was to fall that far. Both Maker and Diallo have major upside but are several years away.

Please, god, no to Skal, another Calipari crapper who showed next to nothing at the collegiate level, and it's even worse when you look at Cheick Diallo, who only played 7.5 mpg during his abbreviated stint at Kansas.  His crowning achievement was a 13 point, 6 rebound, 3 block, 4 foul performance in 16 minutes in a 33 point blowout against Loyola.  Lol, really?  On what, exactly, is the potential of these two guys based?  Physical tools?  High school videos?  What am I missing, here?

Pelton: My big focus with the other first-round picks would be looking for the kind of players who could eventually help the Celtics in a playoff series. After Avery Bradley went down, Boston was badly lacking in two-way players against the Atlanta Hawks.

Umm, isn't that what you should always be looking for, regardless of the pick(s) you own?

[Ilikesports17]

I would trade #3 for Jokic in a heartbeat and I think the Nuggets would laugh us out of the room.  He is a stud

I would too, and yes, the Nuggets would laugh at that offer.

What am I missing? I admittedly did not watch too much of Denver this year, but I didn't really see anything special in Jokic. To me he looked like Vucevic 2.0, who is just as one-sided.

He came on late.  Check out his March/April splits.

10 points, 11 rebounds, 4 assists, 1.2 blocks... a PER of 21.6 for the year.  He shows a LOT of promise.  Highly skilled.

here we differ. two months of okay stats is not "LOT of promise" to me. nor is it worth the #3 pick in the draft.

I hear ya.  I'm not basing it on two months of "OK" stats.  First off, those stats are pretty darn* good for a big his age.  Second, I watch a lot of games and he's no joke.  He's crafty around the rim.  He plays smart.  He controls space and plays tough down low.  Good rebounder and way above average passer.  He has good range and great touch, plus he's an excellent FT shooter.

It's a small miracle if Bender ever becomes as good as Jokic

Didnt see a ton of Jokic but everything I haveseen and read has read along those lines, so Im not trying to disparage your assesment of him, I just think its a good rule to be very wary of stats guys put up the last month or two of the season on bottom 10 teams.