Ford & Pelton - What do the C's do with their pick?

[esel1000]

TP.....sad but realistic options for the C's

They are only realistic options if we feel like getting fleeced. Both the Denver trade proposal and the Chicago proposal are awful.

Pelton instantly lost all credibility with me when I read #3 for Nurkic straight up... Might be one of the worst trade proposals I've ever read

[cltc5]

Yes we need more non scoring power forward and another pg.  great analysis

[BDeCosta26]

This forum would lose its mind if the C's traded the #3 for Nurkic.

Agreed, but with the Nuggets owning picks 7, 15, and 19 and a glut of centers they do look like a pretty ideal trade partner.

Ugh, I wouldn't like that at all. I really want us to do our best to trade the pick for an established star, though certainly not IT and number 3 for Butler, which makes no sense whatsoever for either team.

I don't think Ford has any idea what he's talking about. We're not trading IT and #3 for anything short of a young, lock-in franchise cornerstone. Isaiah has become synonymous with this team. We wouldn't get back the value needed to move him anyways, so were deff trying to build something around him, at least this summer.

A more realistic idea would be something like

BOS: #3, #35, Marcus Smart or AB, RJ Hunter, 2018 BOS 1st (Top 12/Lottery Protected)

CHI: Jimmy Butler

[PhoSita]

TP.....sad but realistic options for the C's

They are only realistic options if we feel like getting fleeced. Both the Denver trade proposal and the Chicago proposal are awful.

Pelton instantly lost all credibility with me when I read #3 for Nurkic straight up... Might be one of the worst trade proposals I've ever read

For real.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

If I were Ainge, I might call the Denver Nuggets about their centers Nikola Jokic and Jusuf Nurkic. If Denver doesn't believe they can play together, either would be an interesting prospect to add to the Celtics' frontcourt. Nurkic for the No. 3 in a down draft probably would be reasonable value.

Yes!

Yes, please!!! Do it now!

[alldaboston]

Those two like Bender. Enough said.

*click*

Bo thinks he knows

I mean, it's CoachBo. What else can we expect?

His "sources and friends who are scouts and GMs" have never been wrong. And they have a much better track record than Danny.

[Fafnir]

For real.

He seems to be basing all of his comments on the expected value over contract metric he's created.

A productive mid pick big man would produce a ridiculous value via that rubric, only way that makes sense.

For what its worth given the opportunity cost and timing luck involved with contracts I don't think that measure is particularly useful to help you actually build a roster.

[spikelovetheCelts]

I'll be happy with Chriss, Brown, or Dunn.
No Bender.

for some reason...I think Porgingis makes a Bender pick easier this year, but I think Bender could be  a bust...similar to Darko.

You could be right but Bender loves basketball where as Darko did not care. I think drive is important in this pick.  I think he has more drive than Chriss as well. Murray to me would be the safer of the pick. Time will tell but I would go with Bender myself at 3 and hope for a star like the Knicks have.
Marcus Smart I know is working on his game and body and that is why I like him in his draft as well.

[PhoSita]

For real.

He seems to be basing all of his comments on the expected value over contract metric he's created.

A productive mid pick big man would produce a ridiculous value via that rubric, only way that makes sense.

For what its worth given the opportunity cost and timing luck involved with contracts I don't think that measure is particularly useful to help you actually build a roster.

Essentially, Pelton made a ridiculous statement to draw attention to a pet statistic he developed himself.

That's so ESPN.

Should we trade all our picks in this draft for Clint Capela?  Obviously we should trade Isaiah and a couple picks for Zach Lavine.


Measuring the difference between the value a player brings to the table and the amount of money they cost is all good and well, but as you say, there are limits to how much that really means.

If you have a roster almost entirely comprised of guys on rookie contracts and below market deals, and every one of those guys provides average production for their position, your roster would be absolutely bursting with expected value over contract.  And your team would be thoroughly average, maybe a bit better during the regular season due to depth.

But what would you do with all that extra cap space?  If you could use it to sign Kevin Durant and LeBron James, awesome!  You win the NBA.

However, if all that allows you to do is overpay a couple guys who are decent but not great, e.g. Demar Derozan and Al Horford, well ... where does that leave you?  You would probably have a pretty nice team.

A pretty nice team that still gets beaten by the team with a superstar or two and a bunch of overpaid henchmen.

How do I know?  The Celts are already essentially in that situation.  Isaiah Thomas is a huge bargain.  Avery Bradley is a solid bargain, especially after this summer.  Jae Crowder would make three times as much annually on the open market if he were a free agent this summer.  Marcus Smart is good value while he's on a rookie deal.  And so on.

Will the Celts actually be able to use the cap space available to them as a result of those bargains?  I guess we'll find out this summer, but there's a good chance their best option will be to overpay a veteran on a short deal, much like they did last summer with Amir Johnson.

[Quetzalcoatl]

I would trade #3 for Jokic in a heartbeat and I think the Nuggets would laugh us out of the room.  He is a stud

[Bobshot]

They could go in any direction at 3 with the top four mentioned, and then use the rest of the draft, trades and FAs to fill in the other needs. My preference is Bender or Chriss, because they must upgrade up front to get better. Bender provides offense now because he can shoot above everybody else, as Porzingis showed.

I'm watching Maker, to see how far he moves up closer to draft time. Doubt he'll be there at 16. You wonder if this kid is the next KG in a couple years.

[PhoSita]

I would trade #3 for Jokic in a heartbeat and I think the Nuggets would laugh us out of the room.  He is a stud

Jokic and Nurkic are very different players, though.  I'm fine with Jokic, and I think you're right that the Nuggets would never consider trading him.  But Nurkic hasn't shown nearly as much in two years as Jokic has shown in one.

[Chief Macho]

that's a nice reality check.  basically we're stuck in the middle unless danny somehow doesn't step on his own dick again in the draft.

[dreamgreen]

TP.....sad but realistic options for the C's

They are only realistic options if we feel like getting fleeced. Both the Denver trade proposal and the Chicago proposal are awful.

Pelton instantly lost all credibility with me when I read #3 for Nurkic straight up... Might be one of the worst trade proposals I've ever read

For real.

I almost threw up when I read that!!

[perks-a-beast]

No doubt that is a ridiculous proposal, but I think Nurkic would be an amazing pickup for the Celts if they didn't have to surrender the 3rd pick. Something along the lines of Bradley, Hunter, 16th pick For Nurkic + 19th pick?