That's why getting Okafor is such a great deal. Especially if we do a package for Okafor and Covington/Grant for the #3 pick and gar****e.
If This happened and I was Ainge I would try to offer MIL a trade for based around IT for Jabari. IMO Jabari is undervalued bc of his 3point attemtps/makes. But like Okafor he has a great stroke and IMO will get that 3-point shot(he shot very well from 3 at Duke even from NBA range).
It's all opinion and personally scouting but I believe with Okafor and Jabari on our team they will give CBS the elite talent and give us a decade of a solid foundation for winning.
Edit: Does anyone know if it is possible to trade with BKN to get their pick for 2017 outright? So we would have our pick and BKN's pick for 2017. We don't even have to use both picks to draft but they could be very valuable to the right team because the draft is very deep till the top 10 and past.
If we do trade for Okafor and Jabari for the #3 and IT I really would have to take back everything I said about Ainge and give him props because not only did we have winnign seasons and show off CBS but even if we tanked for the last 2 seasons we still prob would not have ended up with Jabari and Okafor
Interesting. Isaiah for Parker.
It actually makes a lot of sense for Milwaukee. They have Giannis at the 3. They have a ton of length in the backcourt (Middleton and MCW) and Isaiah really helps them with spacing. Hes a far better shooter than MCW and Parker.
As for us, it makes sense in that Jabari is an elite scoring talent who still projects as a terrific scorer. Now adding Jahlil and Jabari gives us arguably the two most talented scorers to come out of the draft since Kyrie Irving (Towns Wiggins Embiid Davis etc were all superior prospects and overall talents, but in terms of scoring talent I think they are the two best).
Plus they are really young players allowing Brad to grow with them and gives the Celts an opportunity for a long window of contention. Furthermore they have 2 and 3 years left on rookie deals allowing us to add more big pieces before their contracts explode.
Plus with elite high character defenders under team control (Bradley, Smart, Crowder) their defensive issues could be hidden and its not inconceivable that their leadership along with Brads defensive focus could really help these guys become solid defenders.
So why wouldnt we do it? Well the first reason is pretty debatable, but here it is. Trading Isaiah is a bad look. Danny has been hyping him up as the "face of the franchise" they have him out there recruiting guys for us etc etc. It could hurt team chemistry and would almost certainly damage Danny's reputation around the league. However, you do need elite talent to win at this level and Danny should always be willing to sacrifice a bit of team chemistry and his rep in order to put that elite talent in place.
As you say, theres reason to believe Parker and Okafor could develop into decent shooters, but right now they are both poor shooters. Presumably you would see a lot of Marcus Smart Avery Bradley Jabari Parker Jae Crowder Jahlil Okafor lineups and that puts 3 really poor shooters on the floor with Crowder and Bradley neither of whom are exactly elite shooters. I think these moves would really hurt the on court product next year. The spacing would be terrible and as good as Jahlil and Jabari are as scorers I dont think either is ready to really carry the load.
My conclusion. Adding elite talent like that is hard to pass up especially when you can get guys on rookie contracts. The only concern I would have is that even if Jahlil and Jabari improve, you are going to have spacing issues. You would need to make a hard drive at acquiring as many shooters as you can to surround your core 5 of Smart Bradley Parker Crowder Okafor. Maybe thats in the form of an overpay for a guy like Ryan Anderson? maybe you pray for some Kelly consistency? maybe we see more Jonas? Who knows? maybe trade Brooklyn '17 to try to get Hield or Murray?
Middleton is also a sg/sf and is 6'8.5'' tall. That's one of the reasons it makes sense to me.
Also, I do not in any way buy that IT is untouchable for any reason. IT just so happens to be the only one on the team that can create his own offense and I get that he is recruiting people to come here, but you don't think Jabari and Okafor could be faces of the franchise and could convince Duke/Chicago guys to come here. IT has 2 years on his deal and who knows what he willcommand in FA and if it is even worth it to resign him bc of his hieght/age combo(idk). Okafor would cost the #3 pick and if we trade for Jabari after that I am almost certain everyone will not only understand and be excited, but Jabari and Okafor would be the new faces of the franchise.
Anyways, saying we can't get 2 legit possible MVP type talents because of IT is really only looking at the next 2 years, which I got from your post because it seemed like you were very concerned with the product of next years team. And its your opinion that they are poor shooters but IMO they have great strokes and were rookies with many variables also to consider.
If the 2 rookies Jabari and Okafor come out in their 2nd year as improved shooters(Jabari from 3 and Okafor from 15 and in) which IMO is very likely then you have to say we would be a very dam good team. Especially with the right people around them(i'll get into later)
As far as trading for:
Jahlil and maybe covington/Grant
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2 years ago I could not have planned it better myself. Back then I made a thread something like "make a dynasty in 3 years" basically is was outlining how I saw Towns and Ingram and Dennis Smith Jr, Bam Bam, and deandre Ayton as sure things and most were not even in the top 8 in mocks.
But then Stevens would not have showed us what he can do. And it is partly because of Stevens that IMO the Jabari and Okafor team would not only work, but thrive for a decade. Both are essentially rookies and both IMO are going to get much better. Okafor and Jabari are quite similiar if you boil it down to their shooting. They both already have a great shooting stroke but bc of many variiables have not taken the fga/fgm from 3(Jabari) and from 15ft(Okafor).
PLEASE WATCH THE YOUTUBE VIDS I SELECTED
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tyUk9B5_mg jabari
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiQt5bWcg7E jabari
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZihwmQ3PaC8 Jahlil
OBV in order to put the best team on the floor we will need to to obvios things but they are possible, and give us the opportunity to grow with a young core and add pieces.They will need a 2-way back-court that can hit the 3(Jabari WILL be hitting 3's and soon) and play great d. Also a 4 that can at least hit out to 19ft and is a defensive minded player. Puting the team around these 2 will be the hard part but we have the pieces to do it.
After trading for Jabari and Okafor we would still have these assets:
Crowder
Avery
Smart
KO
BKN 17' more favorable
BKN 18'
Personally if I was Danny I would be looking for solid pieces I can put around them(Oak and Jabari) for longterm or to trade after a productive season for long-term. Crowder, Avery, and KO would be getting traded and IMO they really would fetch us a lot. I would keep Crowder but honestly he is not IMO a strict 4 and we would lose on his efficiency. I would keep Smart, although his shooting from 3 is up and down and down overall from last year....he has everything else you want in a player and on a rookie contract. I would let him finally be the primary point and let him defend the point because Avery would be replaced with a longer and taller 2.
Avery Bradley: Replace with RFA Allen Crabbe. We would try to sign him but if that does not work we could try a sign and trade. Crabbe is a legit 3-point threat and a beast defensively. He has a 6'11.25'' wingspan, 8'7.5'' standing reach and stands 6'5.25'' w/o shoes, almost 6'7'' with shoes. IMO after his breakout year, playing next to CJ and Lillard, he reminds me of the path Jimmy Butler took and Middleton, although he has not shown the passing ability or rebounding but is his own player.
The rest I could not say. I know that I would trade AB though and replace him with someone like Crabbe, a better 3-point shooting gaurd with much more hieght and length and still can hold a candle to Avery defensively.
If Danny traded KO, Crowder and Avery for something of high value idk but lets just say we take them out entirely for next year. And lets say we draft:Tim Luwawu, Thon, Caris Levert, and etc.
Smart
Allen Crabbe
Jabari Parker
Robert Covington
Jahlil Okafor
That's not better than this years team but CBS just may mold it into a playoff team. Especially with improved shooting from Okafor and Jabari.
Also maybe there is a chance we could do a trade with BKN to so we can have our pick and BKN's pick next year idk.