Number of Kyler tweets on Cs, Bender, Sixers Trade

[Evantime34]

wow.

Thats the second expert (Chad Ford  being the first) to suggest that it is Boston rather than Philly dealing from the position of power in the Okafor talks.
 since no one has refuted this claim this makes it fact in the LarBrd school of logic.

Sure, let's go with it.  Okafor AND Stauskas for #3?...  I'd weep tears of joy.

Would you rather have Sauce Castillo or Covington?

I still think Sauce can develop into a decent shooter.

I've never heard of this prolific twitterer named Steven Kyler.  I wonder if Okafor, Sauce and Covington is even enough for #3.   Someone please reach out to Kyler and ask if Philly would also throw in the #1 pick.

haha you act like he has a secret twitter handle that only some people know. He's a legit NBA writer who writes for basketball insiders and has a verified twitter account.

If you have twitter he's a good follow, if you ask him a question he's very likely to answer which isn't true of a lot of nba writers.

[LarBrd33]

wow.

Thats the second expert (Chad Ford  being the first) to suggest that it is Boston rather than Philly dealing from the position of power in the Okafor talks.
 since no one has refuted this claim this makes it fact in the LarBrd school of logic.

Sure, let's go with it.  Okafor AND Stauskas for #3?...  I'd weep tears of joy.

Would you rather have Sauce Castillo or Covington?

I still think Sauce can develop into a decent shooter.

I've never heard of this prolific twitterer named Steven Kyler.  I wonder if Okafor, Sauce and Covington is even enough for #3.   Someone please reach out to Kyler and ask if Philly would also throw in the #1 pick.

You'd never heard of Kyler before?

No.  I've heard of basketballinsiders though.   

I assume we'll see a lot of posturing until the draft.   Even if Boston is willing to give up #3 straight up for Okafor, they really can't do it until we see who goes #1 and #2.   Until then, Boston has every incentive to keep giving off the impression that the #3 pick is super duper valuable. 

[footey]

Two things seem to be emerging:

1. Bender stock is falling, at least for now.
2. 3 pick is an over-pay for Okafor, and Philly will have to add juice to make trade work.

[jambr380]

They can keep Stauskas and Covington and I'll settle for next year's Lakers pick 

Glad to see a couple of major writers seeing the ball in our court. I have mentioned this before, but there was an article on Liberty Ballers' front page specifically about trading Okafor for #3 and more than half of the fans (I think there were like 10,000 votes) voted in favor of the deal, straight up.

Pretty exciting stuff knowing if Simmons/Ingram don't fall to us or we don't use the pick in a trade for Boogie/Butler/Griffin, etc, that we at least have a really nice fall back option with Okafor and Covington. Getting #3 instead of #6 really might have made a difference.

[colincb]

Kyler's the Publisher of Basketball Insiders. it's his site.

Basketball Insiders has 12 writers currently and other contributors like Larry Coon whose chat is excellent for salary cap info. Kyler does a weekly chat on rumors and is involved in regular podcasts. His twitter account is much more active, especially during the season, than Ford, Stein, Woj, Givony and Pelton.

https://twitter.com/stevekylerNBA

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/

[alldaboston]

I didn't like this:

Kyler: Bender not the top guy on Boston's board... they are very high on Jaylen Brown and Marquese Chriss

Not a fan of either one.

[chambers]

Thanks for the tweets much appreciated, TP for the summary too!

[chambers]

wow.

Thats the second expert (Chad Ford  being the first) to suggest that it is Boston rather than Philly dealing from the position of power in the Okafor talks.
 since no one has refuted this claim this makes it fact in the LarBrd school of logic.

Sure, let's go with it.  Okafor AND Stauskas for #3?...  I'd weep tears of joy.

lol TP

[LarBrd33]

I didn't like this:

Kyler: Bender not the top guy on Boston's board... they are very high on Jaylen Brown and Marquese Chriss

Not a fan of either one.

So is Kyler suggesting that both Jaylen Brown and Marquese Chriss are individually "a lot more" valuable than Jahlil Okafor? 

Fascinating.

[Green-Bananas]

Makes me wonder if the Atlanta rumor was started, to see if Danny blinks? Especially after CBS said
"Trade must be Impactful".

[ssspence]

I didn't like this:

Kyler: Bender not the top guy on Boston's board... they are very high on Jaylen Brown and Marquese Chriss

Not a fan of either one.

So is Kyler suggesting that both Jaylen Brown and Marquese Chriss are individually "a lot more" valuable than Jahlil Okafor? 

Fascinating.

A bird in the hand.... Okafor is certainly safer, but I don't think it's hard to imagine how Chriss could be the more dominant NBA player.

I agree with your previous post about posturing. I don't think Philly can command more than #3 for Okafor in their current position, and they indeed might have to throw in Covington to make the move. But it's not like anything should be taken as real between now and the draft.... it's all calculated bull**** being managed and "leaked" by the teams with a desired result until the last minute.

[colincb]

I didn't like this:

Kyler: Bender not the top guy on Boston's board... they are very high on Jaylen Brown and Marquese Chriss

Not a fan of either one.

So is Kyler suggesting that both Jaylen Brown and Marquese Chriss are individually "a lot more" valuable than Jahlil Okafor? 

Fascinating.

No, he's not.

[mmmmm]

Kyler: ...You are massively overvaluing Bender and undervaluing Okafor.…  had a lengthy conversation with some folks around [Bender] recently - not good things being said about Bender. …There is so much we do not know about Bender because he does not play much... hard to invest in that scenario. ...Bender could end up being a lot more Darko than people are willing to admit.,,, If you think you have Bender figured out after 208 possessions this year... good for you. Just asking - if Bender is such a game changing star in the waiting, why doesn't he play? Porzinigis over 20 per game... Mario Hezonja around 16 per. Much larger sample size on both. … No. There is a lot of talent there, but talent is one part of the equation.

https://twitter.com/stevekylerNBA

Wow.  I'm sorry, but there is just so much evidence that Kyler has done no research here that this is pretty much worthless.

Bender has been on the floor for WAY more than 208 possessions this season for Maccabi.   He's been on the floor for just under 500 minutes (including both IBSL & Euroleague games).  The typical ratio is a little more than two possessions per minute, which means he's been on the floor close to 1000 possessions.

His comparisons to Porzingis and Hezonja are also reflective of a complete absence of research and understanding of the different contexts for each of these players.

I get that sports writers and 'analysts' and of course most fans here look at Bender and see a giant void of information.

But the Celtics have had their international scout, Benas Matkevicius, following him closely and Austin Ainge has made several trips out to see him.  They already know a ton more about him than folks like Kyler.  And they'll have him in for a workout at Waltham.

That doesn't mean they will pick him at #3.   But they aren't going to rank him based on the same level of ignorance exhibited here.

Frankly, this stuff from Kyler all sounds like more smoke from Danny.  Combining this with the stuff from Ford and Givony's recent draft board rearrangements and it all looks like Danny is putting out a mess of different signals.

[Eddie20]

wow.

Thats the second expert (Chad Ford  being the first) to suggest that it is Boston rather than Philly dealing from the position of power in the Okafor talks.
 since no one has refuted this claim this makes it fact in the LarBrd school of logic.

Sure, let's go with it.  Okafor AND Stauskas for #3?...  I'd weep tears of joy.

Would you rather have Sauce Castillo or Covington?

I still think Sauce can develop into a decent shooter.

I've never heard of this prolific twitterer named Steven Kyler.  I wonder if Okafor, Sauce and Covington is even enough for #3.   Someone please reach out to Kyler and ask if Philly would also throw in the #1 pick.

You'd never heard of Kyler before?

No.  I've heard of basketballinsiders though.   

I assume we'll see a lot of posturing until the draft.   Even if Boston is willing to give up #3 straight up for Okafor, they really can't do it until we see who goes #1 and #2.   Until then, Boston has every incentive to keep giving off the impression that the #3 pick is super duper valuable.

So you mock Steve Kyler, but post fan posts from other sites when it fits your narrative? Classically bizarre.

[mctyson]

Two things seem to be emerging:

1. Bender stock is falling, at least for now.
2. 3 pick is an over-pay for Okafor, and Philly will have to add juice to make trade work.

3.  Philly is not in the driver's seat on the Noel/Okafor front. 

It's not about the value.  We all agree that the #3 for Okafor would be a pretty fair trade.  It's that Philly (because of Hinkie) are in this pinch with 4 high-draft pick PF/Cs on the roster and the #1 pick in a draft where the top-2 talents are basically PFs.

When the other team has to trade...you are in power.