What will be the realistic asking price for Nerlens Noel

[BDeCosta26]

If Philly is going to move Noel, if he's the "odd man out", they really have to move him this summer. The longer they play Noel and Okafor together, the less both of them will be worth. Playing them next to each other really makes their flaws stick out more.

At the start of the year, it was consensus that Philly would want Smart+other Assets for Noel. Now they'd be lucky to get Smart alone. They'd be better off getting Rozier and a few firsts before his value gets any lower.

Trade #3 and RJ to Denver for #7, #15 and Gary Harris or Barton
Trade #15, #16 and Rozier to Philly for Noel.

[jambr380]

Lol at some of these trade proposals. #16, #31, any other 2nd round picks of their choice and RJ (not Rozier). Noel is a decent player, but he is a year away from being paid way too much money for his production. I don't know that Philly sees him as a max player so if another team does, he is gone. They have very little leverage.

Besides, why not just sign Biyombo this offseason for way too much money (like Noel next year) and retain all of our assets. Big time trades are for stars and there are other players like Noel available this offseason, even if some are a bit older (Howard, Noah, etc).

[colincb]

Steve Kyler chat late yesterday afternoon:

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/chat/nba-rumors-chat-with-steve-kyler-53116/

Q What is noel value around the leauge, Is he Valued enough to dangle to Phoenix for their pick or the often injured bledsoe if Bender is still on the Board. Is he considered enough to be the centerpieced in a schroder deal with atlanta

    Steve Kyler

    I think people are massively overvaluing Nerlens. I like him. I think he’s a promising player, but to trade for him, he may or may not impact your team and he’s going to want a major salary this summer and will be restricted next summer and likely very expensive if he blossoms.

    I am not sure anyone views Nerlens as a center piece guy. I am sure teams would trade for him if he;s put on the market, but to think Noel returns a starting caliber point guard might be reaching a little.

    Nerlens has been a pretty good guy on a very bad set of teams, whats he look like on a team trying to win games? Not sure anyone knows.

I think better of him, at least defensively, but the deals being floated around here for one-trick Sixer centers who have played on an historically bad team are extravagant. Too much BS about how bright a future the Sixers have without looking how bad the team and everyone who has played there has been. The Sixers sucked for a reason. Talent.

[BDeCosta26]

Lol at some of these trade proposals. #16, #31, any other 2nd round picks of their choice and RJ (not Rozier). Noel is a decent player, but he is a year away from being paid way too much money for his production. I don't know that Philly sees him as a max player so if another team does, he is gone. They have very little leverage.

Besides, why not just sign Biyombo this offseason for way too much money (like Noel next year) and retain all of our assets. Big time trades are for stars and there are other players like Noel available this offseason, even if some are a bit older (Howard, Noah, etc).

Well, we really do have to consolidate assets anyway. We can't make 8 picks with our current roster, so if it takes Rozier and a couple mid/late 1sts for a guy who could be as dominant defensively as Noel can, it's worth it to a team like us. Especially is we get someone that plays 2-4 who can really score.

I'd much rather give up 16, 31 and Rozier for Noel over 3 for Okafor.

[ahonui06]

Lol at some of these trade proposals. #16, #31, any other 2nd round picks of their choice and RJ (not Rozier). Noel is a decent player, but he is a year away from being paid way too much money for his production. I don't know that Philly sees him as a max player so if another team does, he is gone. They have very little leverage.

Besides, why not just sign Biyombo this offseason for way too much money (like Noel next year) and retain all of our assets. Big time trades are for stars and there are other players like Noel available this offseason, even if some are a bit older (Howard, Noah, etc).

Well, we really do have to consolidate assets anyway. We can't make 8 picks with our current roster, so if it takes Rozier and a couple mid/late 1sts for a guy who could be as dominant defensively as Noel can, it's worth it to a team like us. Especially is we get someone that plays 2-4 who can really score.

I'd much rather give up 16, 31 and Rozier for Noel over 3 for Okafor.

I'd prefer that trade as well. Seems fair for both parties and Celtics already have a glut of guards. Definitely need a defensive rim protector.

[Bobshot]

I talked about the experience Philly had playing Noel and Okafor together at the 4-5 in another post. It was a failure, especially for Okafor, whose production went down, especially rebounds, at the expense of Noel. It led Philly to consider trading one or the other (probably Okafor) at the trade deadline last season, but they held back reportedly due to concerns about Embiid.
The suitor at that time was rumored to be Ainge, who said he was involved in serious talks about a surprise player.

I don't know which of these two Ainge prefers, but I don't think he wants both, based on Philly's experience playing them both together.  He does need some offense up front, and Okafor would provide that. He has the size to play inside, and could evolve into a decent rim protector. He has the extension to block shots.

Philly has a problem in that Hinkie drafted three 5s who can only play the 5, as they have learned. Hard to vision Embiid playing the 4. Regardless of Embiid, they still have to deal one  of the other two. And if Embiid is healthy, they'll still have a problem of at least two 5s.

Such is the folly of drafting centers three years in a row. Which is why Hinkie is no longer GM.

I would be shocked if Smart is put in any deal short of Cousins.

[celticsclay]

Steve Kyler chat late yesterday afternoon:

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/chat/nba-rumors-chat-with-steve-kyler-53116/

Q What is noel value around the leauge, Is he Valued enough to dangle to Phoenix for their pick or the often injured bledsoe if Bender is still on the Board. Is he considered enough to be the centerpieced in a schroder deal with atlanta

    Steve Kyler

    I think people are massively overvaluing Nerlens. I like him. I think he’s a promising player, but to trade for him, he may or may not impact your team and he’s going to want a major salary this summer and will be restricted next summer and likely very expensive if he blossoms.

    I am not sure anyone views Nerlens as a center piece guy. I am sure teams would trade for him if he;s put on the market, but to think Noel returns a starting caliber point guard might be reaching a little.

    Nerlens has been a pretty good guy on a very bad set of teams, whats he look like on a team trying to win games? Not sure anyone knows.

I think better of him, at least defensively, but the deals being floated around here for one-trick Sixer centers who have played on an historically bad team are extravagant. Too much BS about how bright a future the Sixers have without looking how bad the team and everyone who has played there has been. The Sixers sucked for a reason. Talent.

This sounds more in line with what I would expect.

[PickNRoll]

One more reason to say no to Noel.

http://www.phillyvoice.com/report-nerlens-noel-sued-trashing-rental-home-weed-gatorade/

[Irish Stew]

Lol at some of these trade proposals. #16, #31, any other 2nd round picks of their choice and RJ (not Rozier). Noel is a decent player, but he is a year away from being paid way too much money for his production. I don't know that Philly sees him as a max player so if another team does, he is gone. They have very little leverage.

Besides, why not just sign Biyombo this offseason for way too much money (like Noel next year) and retain all of our assets. Big time trades are for stars and there are other players like Noel available this offseason, even if some are a bit older (Howard, Noah, etc).

Well, we really do have to consolidate assets anyway. We can't make 8 picks with our current roster, so if it takes Rozier and a couple mid/late 1sts for a guy who could be as dominant defensively as Noel can, it's worth it to a team like us. Especially is we get someone that plays 2-4 who can really score.

I'd much rather give up 16, 31 and Rozier for Noel over 3 for Okafor.

I'd prefer that trade as well. Seems fair for both parties and Celtics already have a glut of guards. Definitely need a defensive rim protector.

  I prefer that offer too. The problem, I believe, is that Philly would laugh and hangup. Noel for Smart seems fair. Maybe add 23. Okafor for 3 seems reasonable but may need a little sweetener like 16 or 23 or Rozier. If we strikeout on everything except for getting Noel, Gallinari or Ryan Anderson might make sense. Anderson would cost us money only. Gallinari and 7 for 3 is something to consider

[danglertx]

If Noel had played for the Celtics the last three years like he did for the Sixers, these forums would be talking about what picks we'd have to give up to unload him.  Weed concerns, no offense to speak of, and headed toward free agency, yeah that is worth a lottery pick.  He is just another guy and not a difference maker. 

[GC003332]

There has been some rough comparisons made between Noel and Tyson Chandler here, When the Bulls traded a 23 year old Chandler back in 2006 to New Orleans they received a 37 year old P J Brown and a 21 year old J R Smith , who they traded a week later to the Nuggets for 2 second rounds.

The 76ers can ask for the moon regarding Noel , but if he is indeed traded it may come as a surprise to some at what the 76ers actually receive for him.

Could be somewhere in the middle.

[PhoSita]

There has been some rough comparisons made between Noel and Tyson Chandler here, When the Bulls traded a 23 year old Chandler back in 2006 to New Orleans they received a 37 year old P J Brown and a 21 year old J R Smith , who they traded a week later to the Nuggets for 2 second rounds.

The 76ers can ask for the moon regarding Noel , but if he is indeed traded it may come as a surprise to some at what the 76ers actually receive for him.

Could be somewhere in the middle.

I think you're talking about a very different era in terms of what teams valued in a center.

[celticsclay]

There has been some rough comparisons made between Noel and Tyson Chandler here, When the Bulls traded a 23 year old Chandler back in 2006 to New Orleans they received a 37 year old P J Brown and a 21 year old J R Smith , who they traded a week later to the Nuggets for 2 second rounds.

The 76ers can ask for the moon regarding Noel , but if he is indeed traded it may come as a surprise to some at what the 76ers actually receive for him.

Could be somewhere in the middle.

I think you're talking about a very different era in terms of what teams valued in a center.

Did Noel improve this past season? It seems like for a guy playing his second full season coming off an injury at his age it was a perfect storm to show some improvement (from a physical perspective). I realize his team and the players around him were an awful fit (lack of shooters, alongside Okafor), but even so, I expected a little more.

[dreamgreen]

If Noel had played for the Celtics the last three years like he did for the Sixers, these forums would be talking about what picks we'd have to give up to unload him.  Weed concerns, no offense to speak of, and headed toward free agency, yeah that is worth a lottery pick.  He is just another guy and not a difference maker.

Did he run out?

[danglertx]

If Noel had played for the Celtics the last three years like he did for the Sixers, these forums would be talking about what picks we'd have to give up to unload him.  Weed concerns, no offense to speak of, and headed toward free agency, yeah that is worth a lottery pick.  He is just another guy and not a difference maker.

Did he run out?

Apparently he left it at his old address.