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Re: Dunn at 3
« Reply #15 on: June 01, 2016, 10:50:37 AM »

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Dunn's the BPA at 3 based on what I know. I don't know enough about Bender. If Bender has great workouts, then you'd have to give him the edge, He's 17 and over 7 feet. Otherwise, Dunn could play with IT and defend the opponent's best offensive guard on the other team.

Would you replace Bradley with Dunn? I ask because we currently have the best guard defender in the nba in Bradley and is a better shooter than Dunn. But I hear done has other superior attributes like handle and athleticism.

Re: Dunn at 3
« Reply #16 on: June 01, 2016, 12:08:44 PM »

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To me there are 4 high ceiling guys: Simmons, Dunn, Bender and Ingram.  That is what my board would look like BPA-wise.  I MUCH prefer drafting Dunn to Hield or Brown.  Those would be the worst choices at 3.  Murray I have mixed feelings about.  Dunn is goung to be a stud, I think his game screams NBA more than college whereas Hield I feel the opposite, better collegiate game.

Being already 22 I wouldn't but Dunn on a highest ceiling list. I personally think that based on physical potential and skills that need to be added I would put Simmons, Chriss, Brown, Bender, Baldwin, Maker and  Ingram as the highest ceiling guys in this draft. Guys like Dunn, Hield, Valentine and Sabonis are high floor players due to their already developed skill set and clear NBA roles.

I think we sometimes get lost on the fact that 22 year old players aren't done growing. One of dunns listed attributes is his enormous upside due to his combo of size, athleticism, playmaking, and defense. I do the same thing all of the time. I look at a slightly older player and immediately diminish his potential.

However, diminished potential in older players tends to stem from a lack of some elite quality. Players who are super athletic or talented in one particular area tend to jump ship before they get to that 21/22 year old area. The ones who make it to their senior year tend to make it to the nba due to a perceived "intangibles or coachability. Or they light up kids younger than them, while having obvious flaws.

Those qualities don't really apply to dunn. His upside is still there.
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Re: Dunn at 3
« Reply #17 on: June 01, 2016, 03:25:05 PM »

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Dunn's the BPA at 3 based on what I know. I don't know enough about Bender. If Bender has great workouts, then you'd have to give him the edge, He's 17 and over 7 feet. Otherwise, Dunn could play with IT and defend the opponent's best offensive guard on the other team.


Would you replace Bradley with Dunn? I ask because we currently have the best guard defender in the nba in Bradley and is a better shooter than Dunn. But I hear done has other superior attributes like handle and athleticism.
I think there's definitely a possibility that a guard would get traded at some point. Not sure it's AB though, but hes has an elite skill that would make him attractive to contenders and pretenders who want to be and enough offense to start. I'd rather trade Smart, but he needs more time to develop to increase his value.

Re: Dunn at 3
« Reply #18 on: June 01, 2016, 03:42:43 PM »

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To me there are 4 high ceiling guys: Simmons, Dunn, Bender and Ingram.  That is what my board would look like BPA-wise.  I MUCH prefer drafting Dunn to Hield or Brown.  Those would be the worst choices at 3.  Murray I have mixed feelings about.  Dunn is goung to be a stud, I think his game screams NBA more than college whereas Hield I feel the opposite, better collegiate game.

Being already 22 I wouldn't but Dunn on a highest ceiling list. I personally think that based on physical potential and skills that need to be added I would put Simmons, Chriss, Brown, Bender, Baldwin, Maker and  Ingram as the highest ceiling guys in this draft. Guys like Dunn, Hield, Valentine and Sabonis are high floor players due to their already developed skill set and clear NBA roles.

I think we sometimes get lost on the fact that 22 year old players aren't done growing. One of dunns listed attributes is his enormous upside due to his combo of size, athleticism, playmaking, and defense. I do the same thing all of the time. I look at a slightly older player and immediately diminish his potential.

However, diminished potential in older players tends to stem from a lack of some elite quality. Players who are super athletic or talented in one particular area tend to jump ship before they get to that 21/22 year old area. The ones who make it to their senior year tend to make it to the nba due to a perceived "intangibles or coachability. Or they light up kids younger than them, while having obvious flaws.

Those qualities don't really apply to dunn. His upside is still there.


I agree. He wasn't a late bloomer.  He came to Providence as a top 25 recruit. He then lost 2 years to shoulder injuries. After one year playing, he would have come out as a mid-first, but might have gone higher. Very athletic, has a motor, and will take over games. His biggest weakness is that he needs to be more disciplined on both sides of the ball. Will benefit from not being the main focus of defenses.

Re: Dunn at 3
« Reply #19 on: June 01, 2016, 04:31:29 PM »

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Not to mention, he actually got his degree following his junior year (current.) It's listed as one of the reasons he stayed this year.

I'm not one to raise the stay in school to get an education banner (let's be real one year as the 30th pick makes more money than a huge portion of this country in their entire life), but to those people who do this should be a huge deal.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kris_Dunn
 Ps- yes I just used Wikipedia as a source, the world is going to explode
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Re: Dunn at 3
« Reply #20 on: June 01, 2016, 04:33:42 PM »

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To me there are 4 high ceiling guys: Simmons, Dunn, Bender and Ingram.  That is what my board would look like BPA-wise.  I MUCH prefer drafting Dunn to Hield or Brown.  Those would be the worst choices at 3.  Murray I have mixed feelings about.  Dunn is goung to be a stud, I think his game screams NBA more than college whereas Hield I feel the opposite, better collegiate game.

Being already 22 I wouldn't but Dunn on a highest ceiling list. I personally think that based on physical potential and skills that need to be added I would put Simmons, Chriss, Brown, Bender, Baldwin, Maker and  Ingram as the highest ceiling guys in this draft. Guys like Dunn, Hield, Valentine and Sabonis are high floor players due to their already developed skill set and clear NBA roles.

I think we sometimes get lost on the fact that 22 year old players aren't done growing. One of dunns listed attributes is his enormous upside due to his combo of size, athleticism, playmaking, and defense. I do the same thing all of the time. I look at a slightly older player and immediately diminish his potential.

However, diminished potential in older players tends to stem from a lack of some elite quality. Players who are super athletic or talented in one particular area tend to jump ship before they get to that 21/22 year old area. The ones who make it to their senior year tend to make it to the nba due to a perceived "intangibles or coachability. Or they light up kids younger than them, while having obvious flaws.

Those qualities don't really apply to dunn. His upside is still there.


I agree. He wasn't a late bloomer.  He came to Providence as a top 25 recruit. He then lost 2 years to shoulder injuries. After one year playing, he would have come out as a mid-first, but might have gone higher. Very athletic, has a motor, and will take over games. His biggest weakness is that he needs to be more disciplined on both sides of the ball. Will benefit from not being the main focus of defenses.

I agree, Dunn still has tons of upside. A lot hinges on his jump shot - his numbers aren't terrible, but there are serious questions about his form + consistency. If he really shoots much better than expected in workouts, you have to think hard about him at #3. Right now I think Bender is the better prospect, but it's far from clear with so little informtation.

Re: Dunn at 3
« Reply #21 on: June 01, 2016, 05:38:46 PM »

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Dunn's the BPA at 3 based on what I know. I don't know enough about Bender. If Bender has great workouts, then you'd have to give him the edge, He's 17 and over 7 feet. Otherwise, Dunn could play with IT and defend the opponent's best offensive guard on the other team.

Would you replace Bradley with Dunn? I ask because we currently have the best guard defender in the nba in Bradley and is a better shooter than Dunn. But I hear done has other superior attributes like handle and athleticism.
I would absolutely trade Bradley in for Dunn. We've all seen how well Thomas plays when he has another playmaker next to him to create shots for him. Dunn would be that perfect compliment to Isaiah because he can make plays/ get to the rim and then he can kick it out to IT or score for himself. The great part about Dunn's game is that even though he probably fits well as a PG he can play a lot of SG as well because he is a scoring 1. From what I've seen with all this time dedicated just to playing basketball in the offseason has helped him take his game to the next step.
Take Dunn then shop Bradley/player and picks to move back up to 8 to grab Peoltl.
PG: Isaiah Thomas
SG: Kris Dunn
SF: Jae Crowder
PF: Amir Johnson
C: Jakob Peoltl

I like that draft right there.

Re: Dunn at 3
« Reply #22 on: June 01, 2016, 06:12:17 PM »

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I think that Marcus and AB could be moved.  Neither of them is great enough to be untouchable if the price is right.   I think Ainge would trade IT for the right deal.

Not sure Dunn is the guy that would make them move them though.   If we could get a Philly big for one of those guys and trade 3 for a star I would think hard about it.   I love Marcus, he can affect a game in so many ways but he is a poor shooter.   AB's value will never be higher folks after making all first team defense.  I bet CLE would consider him and some parts for Love if they do not the title.

Re: Dunn at 3
« Reply #23 on: June 02, 2016, 05:07:23 AM »

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I give the edge to Dunn over bender

Problems with bender is he not a good rim protector (though great perimeter defender for a player his size), doesn't get a lot of defensive rebounds, not explosive/doesn't jump high (most blocks were him using his instincts and jumping first)

Dunn still has high potential because of his athleticism, physical tools and the 2 injury seasons (so he hadn't developed fully yet despite his age)

Scouts have taken notice and see dunn as 3rd behind Ingram and Simmons as being a potential all star

It is a difficult decision for ainge to make due to all the talented guards we already have

And Dunn refusing to send medical reports to us as well as probably workouts because of our logjam at PG